Need help with a predator ID

GlockMeister · 10-10-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Capn Jack

Wouldn't the claws show in the track if they were dogs?

That's exactly what I was both thinking.

I would think if it were a cougar or mountain lion you would definitely see claw prints in the snow, especially when the snow is kind of built or pushed up in front of the print. Especially in this picture?

miekelle · 10-11-2009, 08:50 PM

as soon as i saw this thread i thought " CHUPACABRA" , i maybe wrong but i still have my opinion that its a chupacabra , the chupacabra apparently bites its victims and sucks out the blood of the animal it has bitten .

dodgeman · 10-13-2009, 01:53 PM

I'd vote for a dog or dogs also. My father in law had a dog get in with the sheep one time and it was a masacare. What the dog didn't kill the sheep ran around like idiots and killed them selves. This was a hunting dog also, blood hound type. I don't know if goats would freak out like sheep will?

matt760 · 10-13-2009, 02:56 PM

Who knows what did it? I would think even dogs on a "thrill kill" would eat or at least tear the goats up more. And it doesn't look like there are a whole lot of tracks. Could just couple dogs do that much damage? Cats can retract their claws, dogs can not.

Did anyone hear what was going on? Pretty strange. Maybe it was the chupacabra, or worse El Chupanebre. Though I'm not sure what the tracks would look like.

On a bit of a side note Supposedly there are still some Jaguars in the U.S. I've heard stories from about 50 miles south of here about panther sightings. A woman hit a black bear about 10 miles from here, when bears weren't supposed to be anywhere close to this area.

El chupanebre image by trickster381 on Photobucket

Hobbit · 10-16-2009, 09:15 PM

I had problems like this when I had cows, with the soft tissue damage and the prints (what i can see of them) I would have to say dogs. Is this the first time, or has it happened before? Do you have a town near by? City dogs will pack up and run in the early evening and then go back to the house. You would be amazed at the type of dogs that will run in a pack. Little fido is not all that nice in a pack.

Hobbit · 10-16-2009, 09:22 PM

By the way Dogs that are running loose killing livestock are varmints!

RJMAcres · 10-17-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hobbit

I had problems like this when I had cows, with the soft tissue damage and the prints (what i can see of them) I would have to say dogs. Is this the first time, or has it happened before? Do you have a town near by? City dogs will pack up and run in the early evening and then go back to the house. You would be amazed at the type of dogs that will run in a pack. Little fido is not all that nice in a pack.

Those werent my goats in the pictures but I'm used to dealing with wild
dogs. Lots and lots of wild dogs around our area.

Randy

rdale501 · 10-18-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RJMAcres

Those werent my goats in the pictures but I'm used to dealing with wild
dogs. Lots and lots of wild dogs around our area.

Randy

Not necessarily WILD dogs. We had a simular problem in N. Calif. and it was from pets running loose at night. In particular an Irish Setter. The government trapper said it had crossed with a coyote. The offspring were terrible. My guess this is someones pet who is curled up at their feet right now and the owner doesn't even know what the thing is up to at night. I don't think this incident involved over two animals, I may be wrong, but the ground isn't torn up much. I have seen couger kills and they were always raked along the back from claws. Not seen in these pictures.

petemi · 10-20-2009, 09:10 AM

We have cougar here, and a similar problem, but it's not cougar or dogs......it's wolves, but they kill, drag off, and eat their prey. So far, they've left my horses alone, but have killed cattle and sheep on neighboring farms.

Pete

big shrek · 10-20-2009, 10:12 PM

Too small to be cougar. Bobcat/Lynx, mebbe.

But that's dog attack style there. No cat would waste that much energy on a herd of goats. Bobcat might have walked thru after the attack to find out what was going on & get a free meal.

RJMAcres · 10-21-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by big shrek

Too small to be cougar. Bobcat/Lynx, mebbe.

But that's dog attack style there. No cat would waste that much energy on a herd of goats. Bobcat might have walked thru after the attack to find out what was going on & get a free meal.

I thought the same thing when I saw the picture.
But I guess the state wildlife boys are telling the goat owner it was a big
cat. And since we all know that the state wildlife boys know what they
are talking about, that's what the goat owner is choosing to believe.

Randy

DaTeacha · 10-21-2009, 02:47 PM

We have had domestic free running dogs hit our sheep. They tend to bite and pull, doing a fair amount of damage. The pics don't show a whole lot. We had one ewe walking around with her intestine hanging out for a day before she died, others that bled to death. The dog in question was just sitting there on the barn bank, kind of proud of himself, when he ran into a load of 00. The dog warden took him to his owner and wrote them a ticket for letting the dog run loose, then added the cost of the dead purebred show animals to the bill. The neighbor was not pleased, but the problem of free running dogs from that home ended.

10-11-2009, 08:50 PM	#22
miekelle Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 136	as soon as i saw this thread i thought " CHUPACABRA" , i maybe wrong but i still have my opinion that its a chupacabra , the chupacabra apparently bites its victims and sucks out the blood of the animal it has bitten . __________________

10-20-2009, 10:12 PM	#30
big shrek Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northwest, FL Posts: 3,128 Images: 56	Too small to be cougar. Bobcat/Lynx, mebbe. But that's dog attack style there. No cat would waste that much energy on a herd of goats. Bobcat might have walked thru after the attack to find out what was going on & get a free meal. __________________ In every Unit...there is a Scrounger...

10-21-2009, 02:47 PM	#32
DaTeacha Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: near Funk, Ohio Posts: 2,913	We have had domestic free running dogs hit our sheep. They tend to bite and pull, doing a fair amount of damage. The pics don't show a whole lot. We had one ewe walking around with her intestine hanging out for a day before she died, others that bled to death. The dog in question was just sitting there on the barn bank, kind of proud of himself, when he ran into a load of 00. The dog warden took him to his owner and wrote them a ticket for letting the dog run loose, then added the cost of the dead purebred show animals to the bill. The neighbor was not pleased, but the problem of free running dogs from that home ended. __________________ Teach NRA -- If you're reading this, you should be a member. United, We Stand.

10-13-2009, 01:53 PM	#23
dodgeman Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Macomb, Illinois Posts: 20	I'd vote for a dog or dogs also. My father in law had a dog get in with the sheep one time and it was a masacare. What the dog didn't kill the sheep ran around like idiots and killed them selves. This was a hunting dog also, blood hound type. I don't know if goats would freak out like sheep will?

10-13-2009, 02:56 PM	#24
matt760 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 805	Who knows what did it? I would think even dogs on a "thrill kill" would eat or at least tear the goats up more. And it doesn't look like there are a whole lot of tracks. Could just couple dogs do that much damage? Cats can retract their claws, dogs can not. Did anyone hear what was going on? Pretty strange. Maybe it was the chupacabra, or worse El Chupanebre. Though I'm not sure what the tracks would look like. On a bit of a side note Supposedly there are still some Jaguars in the U.S. I've heard stories from about 50 miles south of here about panther sightings. A woman hit a black bear about 10 miles from here, when bears weren't supposed to be anywhere close to this area. El chupanebre image by trickster381 on Photobucket

10-16-2009, 09:15 PM	#25
Hobbit Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Iberia louisiana Posts: 42	I had problems like this when I had cows, with the soft tissue damage and the prints (what i can see of them) I would have to say dogs. Is this the first time, or has it happened before? Do you have a town near by? City dogs will pack up and run in the early evening and then go back to the house. You would be amazed at the type of dogs that will run in a pack. Little fido is not all that nice in a pack.

10-16-2009, 09:22 PM	#26
Hobbit Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New Iberia louisiana Posts: 42	By the way Dogs that are running loose killing livestock are varmints!

10-20-2009, 09:10 AM	#29
petemi Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Engadine, Upper Peninsula, MI Posts: 166	We have cougar here, and a similar problem, but it's not cougar or dogs......it's wolves, but they kill, drag off, and eat their prey. So far, they've left my horses alone, but have killed cattle and sheep on neighboring farms. Pete