Coyotes hard on deer?

CanyonHunter · 10-29-2009, 09:46 AM

Hi,

I'm new to the forum and wanted to ask the above question.

Are coyotes hard on the deer population, and if seen, should they be exterminated with extreme prejudice? The person I hunt with used to hunt this property long ago and they are no where near the amount of deer there; even though the hunting pressure has decreased dramatically. But we see lots of coyotes and I tend to shoot them if given the chance.

Your thoughts?

338RUM · 10-29-2009, 10:55 AM

they play hell on the fawn population. i tend to play the extreme prejudice option, as the deer population on the land i hunt is returning

Lng Rng · 10-29-2009, 11:19 AM

From most reports I have seen, Coyotes do kill a good amount of young deer, as 338RUM stated. I usually try and control their population whenever possible.

Lobo0311 · 10-29-2009, 02:16 PM

Coyotes certainly affect deer populations, most people I know tend to go with the shoot on site state of mind. Coyotes also tend to wreak havoc on rabbit and squirrel populations to which makes it hard for those of us who enjoy hunting smaller game.... On a side note can anyone point me in the direction for an inexpensive E-caller? I would love to pick one up in the $50-$75 range if there's one that falls in that realm. Not lookin for anything fancy just something I can grab and go with.

blaster · 10-29-2009, 02:24 PM

they are hell on turkeys too! kill em all let Pluto sort em out

Lng Rng · 10-29-2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lobo0311

Coyotes certainly affect deer populations, most people I know tend to go with the shoot on site state of mind. Coyotes also tend to wreak havoc on rabbit and squirrel populations to which makes it hard for those of us who enjoy hunting smaller game.... On a side note can anyone point me in the direction for an inexpensive E-caller? I would love to pick one up in the $50-$75 range if there's one that falls in that realm. Not lookin for anything fancy just something I can grab and go with.

After hunting coyotes a little, I would recommend you go with mouth calls. They are inexpensive, and you can vary your calling easier, IMO. Get a rabbit squealer, and a howler, maybe a pup call. Just an idea.

LoseCracker · 10-29-2009, 04:15 PM

I like your idea.where can i learn to use these calls.any where online?are n.c.

G. Green · 10-29-2009, 05:06 PM

Apparently theu're hard on other stuff too. Check this out. Never heard of a fatal human attack before. Canadian folk singer killed by coyotes, park official says - CNN.com

ArkansasHunter · 10-29-2009, 05:58 PM

Get after them Coyotes and shoot everone you see !!! My step Father is perty old but still hunts.
He was Turkey hunting last year in his brand new suit of camo cloths hunkerd up against a big red oak tree call'in Turkeys.
As he was call'in he see's something out of the corner of his eye and it was a coyote fidd'in to jump on him.
It scard him so bad he chit in his brand new camo britches.

So do him a favior and shoot everyone of them you see. When he stood up It ran down in his boots he bought the year before to !!!...A.H

lynxpilot · 10-29-2009, 06:17 PM

I keep sheep and coyotes are the prime candidate for trouble. I eradicate them on my own property. I'm inclined to think they are a part of natural course, however, and probably have their place. Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas. I'm not yet convinced that 'extreme prejudice' is the answer.

oklahoma hunter · 10-29-2009, 08:06 PM

We make a habit to kill'm every chance we get.....last year my uncle and his 6 year old son were checkin on some horses, on thier way back to the truck my uncle(for some unknown reason) turnd around in time to see a coyote about 6 feet behind them.....he yelled at it and it ran off....it didnt register till a few minutes later that the coyote was stalking them and probly wanted to take a hunk out my little cusin (as mean as my little cuzin is the coyote wouldnt have had a chance)...........their hell on all kinds of small animals iv shot quite a few that were chasin calves

as far as calls go you can get rather simple or go all out....i use electronic calls but prefer to use mouth calls.......one of my faves is an elk call that i converted to a cottontail in distress..........if its springtime i like to use a coyote pup in distress(they come boilin in....youve got to be on your a game tho cuz its super fast action)........a piglet in distress is good to

tappedandtagged · 10-29-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynxpilot

I keep sheep and coyotes are the prime candidate for trouble. I eradicate them on my own property. I'm inclined to think they are a part of natural course, however, and probably have their place. Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas. I'm not yet convinced that 'extreme prejudice' is the answer.

I agree, they do have a place. We can't eradicate all natural predators. But I still kill all I can on my hunting grounds since they keep killing my dad's chickens and guinea fowl.

Larry in SD · 10-29-2009, 09:32 PM

I absolutely LOVE Coyotes. They are probably my most favorite target in the whole world. However they are not the easiest critter to call though. Everytime I think I get a Coyote figured out, the Coyote teaches me something I didn't know.

I started with Mouth Calls and wasn't having too much success. I figured it had to be me, so I set out to get an Electronic Caller. Being the tight wad I am I set out to build one, which I did. In fact I have built several over the past dozen or so years.

The Home Made E-Caller

The above link has some different ones I have built as well as quite a few from other guys that modified the design to suit their own needs.

In my quest to build the best Electronic Caller I discovered something along the way. I still wasn't calling Coyotes and it was not the sounds I was producing that was the problems, but rather some things I wasn't doing and other things I was doing wrong.

In the end I have pretty much went back to mouth calls. I have a few favorites after trying more than I care to admit to. The one thing about mouth calls is that the ones that I can blow the best and produce the best sounds with, may not work at all for someone else. We all blow a call differently.

Mouth Calls I have had good success with are as follows:

One favorite is the Sceery AP-3 Jackrabbit Call. This is a closed reed predator call with a raspy sound and is super easy to blow. I have probably had the best results with this call of any I have used. However it really cold weather this particular closed reed call does freeze up easily.

I also have and use the Lohman / Circe 3 way adjustable closed reed predator call previously mentioned by another poster. I have had some success with this call as well and it does not seem to freeze up as easily as the Sceery AP-3.

I have sort of replaced my Sceery AP-3 with the Sceery AP-7 Open Reed Predator Call. it takes more practice to get proficient with an Open Reed Call, but once mastered they are capable of producing more and different sounds than a typical closed reed call. In a pinch the Sceery AP-7 makes a decent howler as well.

I also like the Crit'R'Call Song Dog (for both distress sounds and howling) as well as the Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator (again for both distress sounds and howling). I have a Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator that I have mounted in a Megaphone (a plastic transmission funnel cut down to the size that produced the best sound to suit my needs) for my main howling caller. The megaphone totally changed the volume and tone of this call and it is probably the easiest to blow howler I have ever used.

I also have a WoodsWise Open Reed Female Howler that I use with a megaphone attach for howling (a plastic transmission funnel cut down to the size that produced the best sound to suit my needs). On this one I made a different reed out of bulk reed material I picked up from Rocky Mountain Wildlife Products (Crit'R'Call).

I have tried the Tally Ho Open Reed Predator Call on several occasions and I never have been able to blow this call like it should be blown and have kind of given up on it.

The very first predator call I ever used was an old Scotch Bellows Style Predator Call. I had some success with this call but feel it requires too much movement to be totally effective unless the stand selection is perfect.

Lastly a MUST HAVE is a mouse squeaker. I have used the Scotch Bulb Type Mouse Squeaker but found that the material they are made of doesn't stand up in cold weather and all of the ones I have had eventually cracked. I am now using an oval shaped (can't remember the name of it) Mouse Squeaker that has stood the test for a couple years now. The one I am currently using is made of a white material for the squeaker that is surrounded with black rubber that has a loop on one side of it for a holder. Of the 5 Coyotes I have called in and taken this fall, all but 1 were called in with nothing more than the Mouse Squeaker.

I have one of these Mouse Squeakers and a Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator on a lanyard in every vehicle I ever drive so I always have calls with me.

Larry

samuel · 10-30-2009, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynxpilot

I keep sheep and coyotes are the prime candidate for trouble. I eradicate them on my own property. I'm inclined to think they are a part of natural course, however, and probably have their place. Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas. I'm not yet convinced that 'extreme prejudice' is the answer.

I don't believe they are all that rough on deer as the deer population is usually high where coyote population is high.They are very useful in keeping the rodent population down,especially around hayfields.I also see no effect in coyote population from hunting/trapping.so get after them. ,,,sam.

RJMAcres · 10-30-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynxpilot

I keep sheep and coyotes are the prime candidate for trouble. I eradicate them on my own property. I'm inclined to think they are a part of natural course, however, and probably have their place. Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas. I'm not yet convinced that 'extreme prejudice' is the answer.

They are rough on goats, pets, chickens, ducks, etc.
I shoot on sight. I go looking for them, then shoot on sight.
Same for bobcats and a few other predators in the area.

Randy

jerry · 10-30-2009, 01:29 PM

I'm an opportunist. I will whack them during deer season or any other time that the opportunity presents.

TeeRex · 10-30-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry

I'm an opportunist. I will whack them during deer season or any other time that the opportunity presents.

Thats how I am. I have taken quite a few with slugs during deer season as well as one with my bow. When I'm in my tree stand they don't seem to be too bothered by me and will often come within 30 yards of my set up.

scroamer65 · 10-30-2009, 02:27 PM

I'm not trying to hijack this therad, however I've a question
due to the fact that coyotes can and will invade urban areas
and there have been reports of cross breading of domestic dog
pets the result of which is a dogyote, or yotedog as you prefer.
Is there away to tell the differance, of course both shoot on sight.

Cyrano · 10-30-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tappedandtagged

I agree, they do have a place. We can't eradicate all natural predators. But I still kill all I can on my hunting grounds since they keep killing my dad's chickens and guinea fowl.

In my county we have a few; once in a long while you see one crossing the road. They look like sneaky, mangy, undersized German Shepherds. So far they haven't had an impact on the deer population or on the local pet population as far as I know. The ecological niches they are trying to move into up here is the gray wolf's old niche. Wolves have been extinct around here for at least a century.

I agree, they can qualify as pests. But if they can help keep the deer population in the county down, I'm for having them around. We have about 15 times as many deer as the habitat will support and hunting doesn't begin to control their numbers.

RJMAcres · 10-30-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scroamer65

I'm not trying to hijack this therad, however I've a question
due to the fact that coyotes can and will invade urban areas
and there have been reports of cross breading of domestic dog
pets the result of which is a dogyote, or yotedog as you prefer.
Is there away to tell the differance, of course both shoot on sight.

Haven't heard or seen them breed with any pet dogs but they do
breed with feral dogs. Sometimes the offspring look like coyote and
sometimes they look like odd looking dogs. The coydogs we've dealt
with the past few years either look like large wolves or they have
odd looking ears and real short tails. Ears are short spikey things.

If you run into a coydog you will notice real quick that they are
not afraid of you and can be fairly aggressive. Or at least thats what
my experience has been. I've been dealing with them for about 4 years
now and have killed a ton of them.

Randy

10-29-2009, 09:46 AM	#1
CanyonHunter Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 12	Coyotes hard on deer? Hi, I'm new to the forum and wanted to ask the above question. Are coyotes hard on the deer population, and if seen, should they be exterminated with extreme prejudice? The person I hunt with used to hunt this property long ago and they are no where near the amount of deer there; even though the hunting pressure has decreased dramatically. But we see lots of coyotes and I tend to shoot them if given the chance. Your thoughts?

10-29-2009, 10:55 AM	#2
338RUM Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lonaconing, MD Posts: 1,025	they play hell on the fawn population. i tend to play the extreme prejudice option, as the deer population on the land i hunt is returning __________________ diaper fetishist, gay ,neo Nazi ,slaves give me hope for the versatility of the human race. -Billy

10-29-2009, 02:16 PM	#4
Lobo0311 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 631	Coyotes certainly affect deer populations, most people I know tend to go with the shoot on site state of mind. Coyotes also tend to wreak havoc on rabbit and squirrel populations to which makes it hard for those of us who enjoy hunting smaller game.... On a side note can anyone point me in the direction for an inexpensive E-caller? I would love to pick one up in the $50-$75 range if there's one that falls in that realm. Not lookin for anything fancy just something I can grab and go with. __________________ If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?

10-29-2009, 02:24 PM	#5
blaster Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: big pine key, florida Posts: 1,292	they are hell on turkeys too! kill em all let Pluto sort em out __________________ peace through superior firepower

10-29-2009, 05:58 PM	#9
ArkansasHunter Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Arkansas. Posts: 17,196	Get after them Coyotes and shoot everone you see !!! My step Father is perty old but still hunts. He was Turkey hunting last year in his brand new suit of camo cloths hunkerd up against a big red oak tree call'in Turkeys. As he was call'in he see's something out of the corner of his eye and it was a coyote fidd'in to jump on him. It scard him so bad he chit in his brand new camo britches. So do him a favior and shoot everyone of them you see. When he stood up It ran down in his boots he bought the year before to !!!...A.H __________________ IN GOD WE TRUST NRA MEMBER

10-29-2009, 11:19 AM	#3
Lng Rng Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,096	From most reports I have seen, Coyotes do kill a good amount of young deer, as 338RUM stated. I usually try and control their population whenever possible.

10-29-2009, 04:15 PM	#7
LoseCracker Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: cameron,n.c. Posts: 1	I like your idea.where can i learn to use these calls.any where online?are n.c.

10-29-2009, 05:06 PM	#8
G. Green Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NE OK Posts: 464	Apparently theu're hard on other stuff too. Check this out. Never heard of a fatal human attack before. Canadian folk singer killed by coyotes, park official says - CNN.com

10-29-2009, 06:17 PM	#10
lynxpilot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ava, MO Posts: 112	I keep sheep and coyotes are the prime candidate for trouble. I eradicate them on my own property. I'm inclined to think they are a part of natural course, however, and probably have their place. Deer are overpopulated in a lot of areas. I'm not yet convinced that 'extreme prejudice' is the answer.

10-29-2009, 08:06 PM	#11
oklahoma hunter Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma Posts: 60	We make a habit to kill'm every chance we get.....last year my uncle and his 6 year old son were checkin on some horses, on thier way back to the truck my uncle(for some unknown reason) turnd around in time to see a coyote about 6 feet behind them.....he yelled at it and it ran off....it didnt register till a few minutes later that the coyote was stalking them and probly wanted to take a hunk out my little cusin (as mean as my little cuzin is the coyote wouldnt have had a chance)...........their hell on all kinds of small animals iv shot quite a few that were chasin calves as far as calls go you can get rather simple or go all out....i use electronic calls but prefer to use mouth calls.......one of my faves is an elk call that i converted to a cottontail in distress..........if its springtime i like to use a coyote pup in distress(they come boilin in....youve got to be on your a game tho cuz its super fast action)........a piglet in distress is good to

10-29-2009, 09:32 PM	#13
Larry in SD Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Northeastern South Dakota USA Posts: 4	I absolutely LOVE Coyotes. They are probably my most favorite target in the whole world. However they are not the easiest critter to call though. Everytime I think I get a Coyote figured out, the Coyote teaches me something I didn't know. I started with Mouth Calls and wasn't having too much success. I figured it had to be me, so I set out to get an Electronic Caller. Being the tight wad I am I set out to build one, which I did. In fact I have built several over the past dozen or so years. The Home Made E-Caller The above link has some different ones I have built as well as quite a few from other guys that modified the design to suit their own needs. In my quest to build the best Electronic Caller I discovered something along the way. I still wasn't calling Coyotes and it was not the sounds I was producing that was the problems, but rather some things I wasn't doing and other things I was doing wrong. In the end I have pretty much went back to mouth calls. I have a few favorites after trying more than I care to admit to. The one thing about mouth calls is that the ones that I can blow the best and produce the best sounds with, may not work at all for someone else. We all blow a call differently. Mouth Calls I have had good success with are as follows: One favorite is the Sceery AP-3 Jackrabbit Call. This is a closed reed predator call with a raspy sound and is super easy to blow. I have probably had the best results with this call of any I have used. However it really cold weather this particular closed reed call does freeze up easily. I also have and use the Lohman / Circe 3 way adjustable closed reed predator call previously mentioned by another poster. I have had some success with this call as well and it does not seem to freeze up as easily as the Sceery AP-3. I have sort of replaced my Sceery AP-3 with the Sceery AP-7 Open Reed Predator Call. it takes more practice to get proficient with an Open Reed Call, but once mastered they are capable of producing more and different sounds than a typical closed reed call. In a pinch the Sceery AP-7 makes a decent howler as well. I also like the Crit'R'Call Song Dog (for both distress sounds and howling) as well as the Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator (again for both distress sounds and howling). I have a Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator that I have mounted in a Megaphone (a plastic transmission funnel cut down to the size that produced the best sound to suit my needs) for my main howling caller. The megaphone totally changed the volume and tone of this call and it is probably the easiest to blow howler I have ever used. I also have a WoodsWise Open Reed Female Howler that I use with a megaphone attach for howling (a plastic transmission funnel cut down to the size that produced the best sound to suit my needs). On this one I made a different reed out of bulk reed material I picked up from Rocky Mountain Wildlife Products (Crit'R'Call). I have tried the Tally Ho Open Reed Predator Call on several occasions and I never have been able to blow this call like it should be blown and have kind of given up on it. The very first predator call I ever used was an old Scotch Bellows Style Predator Call. I had some success with this call but feel it requires too much movement to be totally effective unless the stand selection is perfect. Lastly a MUST HAVE is a mouse squeaker. I have used the Scotch Bulb Type Mouse Squeaker but found that the material they are made of doesn't stand up in cold weather and all of the ones I have had eventually cracked. I am now using an oval shaped (can't remember the name of it) Mouse Squeaker that has stood the test for a couple years now. The one I am currently using is made of a white material for the squeaker that is surrounded with black rubber that has a loop on one side of it for a holder. Of the 5 Coyotes I have called in and taken this fall, all but 1 were called in with nothing more than the Mouse Squeaker. I have one of these Mouse Squeakers and a Crit'R'Call Mini Open Reed Predator on a lanyard in every vehicle I ever drive so I always have calls with me. Larry

10-30-2009, 01:29 PM	#16
jerry Short Time Shirt Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 13,226 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 1	I'm an opportunist. I will whack them during deer season or any other time that the opportunity presents.

10-30-2009, 02:27 PM	#18
scroamer65 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 85	I'm not trying to hijack this therad, however I've a question due to the fact that coyotes can and will invade urban areas and there have been reports of cross breading of domestic dog pets the result of which is a dogyote, or yotedog as you prefer. Is there away to tell the differance, of course both shoot on sight.