Shots Fired!

oneastrix · 06-08-2003, 01:18 AM

Tonight at approx 2300 hours I was chatting on the MSN Messenger with our friend Shaun. All of a sudden I heard shots fired outside my bedroom window! Crack! You know the sound when you hear it. Melissa asked me what the sound was. I told her that was an unmistakable gun shot.

I grabbed my Glock, flashlight and vest....and threw on a Police t-shirt and went outside. Melissa impressed me by immediately tossing me my cell phone and locking the door and turning out the lights.

I went towards where I heard the shots which was right around the corner from my front doo and right outside my bedroom window.

A young man runs to me and says, "Officer, Officer, did you hear that?" I told him that I had and aksed him what he heard or saw. He told me that he was on the back porch of his apartment having a cig when he heard a car "hauling a s s thru the parking lot." He said that he looked up to see what was going on and saw an african american male running behind the car. He said that the male raised a black pistol that looked like mine ans fired a shot at the car towards the west. He said that the dude ran right at his apartment and up the side walk, so he ducked into his apartment so as not to be seen.

He described the car as being dark in color and looked like a sports car. He said that he had never seen the male subject before in his life.

Cut to the chase....I got a hold of dispatch and they sent me an officer whom I had never sen before in my life. A young buck. He took my info and I took him to the now couple of witnesses who had gathered around. He asked them what happened and left within about fifteen seconds! Man we just had a god**** gunshot up in here! (remember Shaun is online with me the whole time waiting for an update).

The officer said he would drive aorund and check things out...then I watched him drive right to the street and leave.

I could not find a shell casing in the dark, provided the gun was a semi in the first place. I'll look again in the morning and see what I can come up with....maybe nothing.

But I'll go ahead and write it up just in case somebody went to the hospital with a gun shot wound tonight...course, that happens everyday in San Antonio a thousand times over. I was just a little disappointed in the way the officer didn't even shine a flashlight around.

NRAJOE · 06-08-2003, 06:15 AM

How come you never have anything that exciting when your talking with me!? Think the most excitement I've seen while talking with ya, you were taking care of a hangnail! Seriously, glad you and yours are okay!

:right:

oneastrix · 06-08-2003, 10:08 AM

Yeah Joe...the good stuff always happens when one is off duty I suppose. I figured out why the city of san Antonio dislikes us as police officers. That dude was 110% lazy on that call. If somebody had been hit, and we don't even know that yet, there could be serious reprcussions. You would think that since it was a fellow copper reporting it along with eye wittnesses, he would have taken it a little more seriously.

oneastrix · 06-08-2003, 10:45 AM

Going out to find that spent shell casing right now.

Calvin · 06-08-2003, 05:33 PM

Did you find anything, Matt? Hope all is okay...

Joe, I'm surprised you don't hear more gunshots than anyone here!

Dallas · 06-08-2003, 09:41 PM

Did you find anything? Anybody show up with a gun shot wound? Was the officer that showed up to take the report still a relatively inexperienced officer? Sounds like what he did did nothing to bring credit to the Police in the eyes of the public. Or am I reading to much into this? Please fill us in.

oneastrix · 06-08-2003, 10:53 PM

Exactly Dallas...I was pissed at the responding lazy officer....let me finish my evening chow and I will update.

oneastrix · 06-21-2003, 10:38 AM

I totaly forgot to get back to y'all on this.

I didn't find a shell casing anywhere, but there are a bunch of huge juniper bushes out there that might have hidden one.

A couple of girls in the complex came to my door the following day after the shooting and told me that they had been having a slumber party and were out on their back patio when they heard the gunshots. They gave me the exact same description as the guy the night before, and described the car the same way. They had with them an "Old Navy" clothing bag wich they said the shooter threw into the bushes underneath their balcony. Inside the bag was marijuana (a very small amount). It looked as though the bag had contained a larger amount of marijuana, which I assume the shooter removed before dropping the bag. The bag also contained a couple catalogs for San Antonio College, a local junior college. I took custody of the bag and called my direct Sgt and told him everything that happened. He told me to call back and request the shift supervisor to come to my location. I did as he said and got nothing more than a patrolman at my house.

He looked in the bag and then handed it back to me. He told me, "I've been called in to go home. It's time for shift change." He told me to take the bag and throw it in the dumpster!

Skip to this past Thursday. I received a phine call form a Sgt out of the same substation that these officers were assigned. He said that neither of them had written a report on the incident. He said that I should have never been instructed to throw the bag away as it was evidence in a shooting (there is still no victim, so I'm assuming that nobody was hit). I apologized profusely and told me that disciplinary action would be taken against the officers involved..................End of Report.

Sniper[MI] · 06-21-2003, 10:41 AM

It sounds to me like that Sgt told you, very politely, ......and the horse you rode in on!

If that is the way they handle a shooting down thataway, makes me glad the local LEO here think they are out to save the world.

oneastrix · 06-21-2003, 10:45 AM

I only hope this was an isolated incident of negligence.

oneastrix · 06-21-2003, 04:13 PM

Bump? No more responses....oh well....

Dallas · 06-21-2003, 10:50 PM

Thanks for the follow up. I guess the question is, was this a big enough screw up to warrent you making a fuss with your Sargeant and or to have a chat with IA. I'm assuming being told to get rid of evidence is a no no in your department.

Do you think it was inexperience, incompetence or indifference?

Bottom line, do you think it's worth persuing?

oneastrix · 06-22-2003, 01:34 AM

Not worth pursuing at this point Dallas..........it's a "case closed..." as far as I'm concerned......out of my district........nothing I can do.

06-08-2003, 01:18 AM	#1
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Shots Fired! Tonight at approx 2300 hours I was chatting on the MSN Messenger with our friend Shaun. All of a sudden I heard shots fired outside my bedroom window! Crack! You know the sound when you hear it. Melissa asked me what the sound was. I told her that was an unmistakable gun shot. I grabbed my Glock, flashlight and vest....and threw on a Police t-shirt and went outside. Melissa impressed me by immediately tossing me my cell phone and locking the door and turning out the lights. I went towards where I heard the shots which was right around the corner from my front doo and right outside my bedroom window. A young man runs to me and says, "Officer, Officer, did you hear that?" I told him that I had and aksed him what he heard or saw. He told me that he was on the back porch of his apartment having a cig when he heard a car "hauling a s s thru the parking lot." He said that he looked up to see what was going on and saw an african american male running behind the car. He said that the male raised a black pistol that looked like mine ans fired a shot at the car towards the west. He said that the dude ran right at his apartment and up the side walk, so he ducked into his apartment so as not to be seen. He described the car as being dark in color and looked like a sports car. He said that he had never seen the male subject before in his life. Cut to the chase....I got a hold of dispatch and they sent me an officer whom I had never sen before in my life. A young buck. He took my info and I took him to the now couple of witnesses who had gathered around. He asked them what happened and left within about fifteen seconds! Man we just had a god**** gunshot up in here! (remember Shaun is online with me the whole time waiting for an update). The officer said he would drive aorund and check things out...then I watched him drive right to the street and leave. I could not find a shell casing in the dark, provided the gun was a semi in the first place. I'll look again in the morning and see what I can come up with....maybe nothing. But I'll go ahead and write it up just in case somebody went to the hospital with a gun shot wound tonight...course, that happens everyday in San Antonio a thousand times over. I was just a little disappointed in the way the officer didn't even shine a flashlight around. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain. Last edited by oneastrix; 06-21-2003 at 10:41 AM.

06-08-2003, 06:15 AM	#2
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,256 Images: 3	How come you never have anything that exciting when your talking with me!? Think the most excitement I've seen while talking with ya, you were taking care of a hangnail! Seriously, glad you and yours are okay! :right: __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

06-08-2003, 10:08 AM	#3
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Yeah Joe...the good stuff always happens when one is off duty I suppose. I figured out why the city of san Antonio dislikes us as police officers. That dude was 110% lazy on that call. If somebody had been hit, and we don't even know that yet, there could be serious reprcussions. You would think that since it was a fellow copper reporting it along with eye wittnesses, he would have taken it a little more seriously. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-08-2003, 10:45 AM	#4
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Going out to find that spent shell casing right now. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-08-2003, 05:33 PM	#5
Calvin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,041	Did you find anything, Matt? Hope all is okay... Joe, I'm surprised you don't hear more gunshots than anyone here! __________________ If you don't like cops, call your local crackhead for help next time!

06-08-2003, 09:41 PM	#6
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,609	Did you find anything? Anybody show up with a gun shot wound? Was the officer that showed up to take the report still a relatively inexperienced officer? Sounds like what he did did nothing to bring credit to the Police in the eyes of the public. Or am I reading to much into this? Please fill us in.

06-08-2003, 10:53 PM	#7
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Exactly Dallas...I was pissed at the responding lazy officer....let me finish my evening chow and I will update. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-21-2003, 10:38 AM	#8
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	I totaly forgot to get back to y'all on this. I didn't find a shell casing anywhere, but there are a bunch of huge juniper bushes out there that might have hidden one. A couple of girls in the complex came to my door the following day after the shooting and told me that they had been having a slumber party and were out on their back patio when they heard the gunshots. They gave me the exact same description as the guy the night before, and described the car the same way. They had with them an "Old Navy" clothing bag wich they said the shooter threw into the bushes underneath their balcony. Inside the bag was marijuana (a very small amount). It looked as though the bag had contained a larger amount of marijuana, which I assume the shooter removed before dropping the bag. The bag also contained a couple catalogs for San Antonio College, a local junior college. I took custody of the bag and called my direct Sgt and told him everything that happened. He told me to call back and request the shift supervisor to come to my location. I did as he said and got nothing more than a patrolman at my house. He looked in the bag and then handed it back to me. He told me, "I've been called in to go home. It's time for shift change." He told me to take the bag and throw it in the dumpster! Skip to this past Thursday. I received a phine call form a Sgt out of the same substation that these officers were assigned. He said that neither of them had written a report on the incident. He said that I should have never been instructed to throw the bag away as it was evidence in a shooting (there is still no victim, so I'm assuming that nobody was hit). I apologized profusely and told me that disciplinary action would be taken against the officers involved..................End of Report. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-21-2003, 10:41 AM	#9
Sniper[MI] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Future 51st state, "New Hope" Posts: 3,796	sounds to me like the Sgt said... It sounds to me like that Sgt told you, very politely, ......and the horse you rode in on! If that is the way they handle a shooting down thataway, makes me glad the local LEO here think they are out to save the world. __________________ FNUH!

06-21-2003, 10:45 AM	#10
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	I only hope this was an isolated incident of negligence. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-21-2003, 04:13 PM	#11
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Bump? No more responses....oh well.... __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.

06-21-2003, 10:50 PM	#12
Dallas PUKHA DAWG Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Virginia, just outside of Washington D.C. Posts: 3,609	Thanks for the follow up. I guess the question is, was this a big enough screw up to warrent you making a fuss with your Sargeant and or to have a chat with IA. I'm assuming being told to get rid of evidence is a no no in your department. Do you think it was inexperience, incompetence or indifference? Bottom line, do you think it's worth persuing?

06-22-2003, 01:34 AM	#13
oneastrix Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 5,213	Not worth pursuing at this point Dallas..........it's a "case closed..." as far as I'm concerned......out of my district........nothing I can do. __________________ There's no one more thankful to sit at the table, than the one who best remembers hunger's pain.