Winchester Model 1890

Oxford · 05-29-2007, 01:55 PM

I'll apologize in advance because I don't have pictures to post for this thread. However, yesterday looked over my son in law's newest toy...a Winchester Model 1890 .22 short pump rifle. According to Winchester's web site for determing age of their guns, the rifle was made in 1922. It has the octagon shaped barrel and here's more information found stamped on various parts of the rifle:

USA Patent office-June 26, 1888, Dec 8, 1892, Nov 27, 1906 and May 30, 1911

On rear sight it has Pat Jan 29, 1901

On receiver it has Winchester Repating Arms Co, New Haven, Conn.

Serial number is 656xxx

Found a similar rifle on Auction Arms: Winchester wra Model 1890 22 short NICE OLD RIFLE! - Auction: 8016981 (Ends 05/31/2007, 07

51 PST)

My only purpose of posting about this is to share a good looking rifle with the rest of you Winchester gun collectors. Any comments would be appreciated.

Ox

Mooseman684 · 05-29-2007, 02:05 PM

Sounds like one of the old Gallery Guns since it is .22 short. My book says check for re-barrelling(Notice proofmarks on Barrel) since these guns were heavily used. Value depending on condition runs 300.00 to 1000.00 for that 1890 Takedown model post 1901 Mfg.
Rich

Oxford · 05-29-2007, 02:15 PM

Rich...Thanks for your comments. That's an interesting comment about the possibility of it being a former shooting gallery gun. What else would a .22 short rifle be useful for except something like that. Hadn't thought of that.

Didn't mention above..but when we tried to load .22 short rounds in it's receiver tube they wouldn't slide down correctly. Fact is, a couple jammed inside and we had a hard time retrieving them...but finally set the gun down and tapped it lightly to dislodge those rounds. Therefore, I'm guessing either the plunger for the tube is bent slightly...or the receiver tube is damaged inside. Maybe that's why someone discarded it. Regardless, the finish on the barrel, stock, etc, is in good condition...much better than shown in the link I attached above. I suppose you're probably right about $300 upwards for it's market value...unless something else is discovered about it's condition which changes things.

Mooseman684 · 05-29-2007, 02:35 PM

Oxford, Yeah I would check the tube for Cleanlines, Dents , and straightness.
Dents can be removed carefully, and the inner tube can be straightened by hand by placing it in a piece of angle Iron or angle aluminum that is straight and by rotating it to find the high spots, use only thumb pressure to straighten it out ! Also Clean the inside of the Inner tube!
Rich

VladTepes · 06-29-2008, 07:35 AM

OK well I finally found a thread that might be appropriate to post my question in.

I have an 1890 third model in .22 WRF (actually it's my nephew's but due to our firearms laws I had to put it on my licence when he inherited it, to stop it being destroyed!)

It's in pretty ordinary condition and I was wanting to do it up so at least it cycles cleanly etc, as well as doing up the woodwork.

Can anyone point me to some complete takedown instructions and/or a copy of the instruction manual for this firearm ?

I did a brief little article on it here:
http://www.australianhunting.net/AHN...;s%20Rifle.htm

(you may have to join the forum to view the page, I'm not sure).

Thanks all !

lefty o · 06-29-2008, 11:11 AM

great little rifle, i grew up shooting an 1890, and also have a 1906 project. many of these rifles were chambered for 22shorts, and WERE NOT gallery guns. the dead give away for a gallery gun is the odd triangular cutout in the loading tube for using speed loaders. if the cutout in the magazine tube is shaped like a 22cartridge, it most assuredly is not a gallery gun. the bible on these rifles was written by Ned Schwing called "winchester slide-action rifles volumes 1&2.

ancient-iron · 07-21-2008, 05:03 PM

These are great slide actions. I have quite a few. Several are the rarest Birdseye Maple stocked, of which only 10 are lettered by Winchester. The gallery gun comments concerning the speed loader cut out is correct. The WRF is the most valuable [slightly shorter than 22 mag.] Developed by the great John Browning at the behest of Winchester, these are becoming increasingly valuable. I'd be happy to address freely any questions I might be qualified to answer. Values have increased significantly in the past few years, but I'm probably least qualified to address these concerns. I hope these are conserved rather than considering short term destruction. The true value of these is their ultimate practical use as incredibly accurate firearms.

ancient-iron.com

bill turnbull · 07-27-2008, 02:01 PM

I've owned a few 1890's and mostly shot them.
Recently found a 18" half round/half Oct. 1890 made 1896 and short stock.
It letters and I have the letter.
It letters as "short stock" and it is a short stock. The butt plate is steel or iron and not one pictured in the Schwing book.
I find no mention of a different butt.
There is no Winchester name on the barrel. That seems to me to be bacause the space on the barrel is not adequate for the roll stamp.
The butt plate looks good. But would like to verify that something like this was used.
bill turnbull

lefty o · 07-27-2008, 04:11 PM

got a picture of it?

billy · 07-27-2008, 04:16 PM

all this talk about cool old guns .
not one picture?

bill turnbull · 07-29-2008, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill turnbull

I've owned a few 1890's and mostly shot them.
Recently found a 18" half round/half Oct. 1890 made 1896 and short stock.
It letters and I have the letter.
It letters as "short stock" and it is a short stock. The butt plate is steel or iron and not one pictured in the Schwing book.
I find no mention of a different butt.
There is no Winchester name on the barrel. That seems to me to be bacause the space on the barrel is not adequate for the roll stamp.
The butt plate looks good. But would like to verify that something like this was used.
bill turnbull

bill turnbull · 07-29-2008, 04:06 AM

I don' yet have photos. Not sure how to post them here.
I can send them to your email.
bill turnbull

Oxford · 07-29-2008, 11:00 AM

I hope to receive pics ASAP from my Son In Law which I'll be sure to post.

big boomer · 07-29-2008, 11:08 AM

congrads on the 1890 its one fine pump I have the 06 and it shoots better than it should, these are fine guns and make great little shooters. The one I have my grandfather was known to hit birds on the fly with it something I had trouble with using a shotgun. His 06 would take all 3 shells s,l,lr but he liked shorts best.

ancient-iron · 07-29-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill turnbull

I've owned a few 1890's and mostly shot them.
Recently found a 18" half round/half Oct. 1890 made 1896 and short stock.
It letters and I have the letter.
It letters as "short stock" and it is a short stock. The butt plate is steel or iron and not one pictured in the Schwing book.
I find no mention of a different butt.
There is no Winchester name on the barrel. That seems to me to be bacause the space on the barrel is not adequate for the roll stamp.
The butt plate looks good. But would like to verify that something like this was used.
bill turnbull

Hi Bill

I'd be concerned about the bbl address as winchester like colt rolled on the side if they couldn't find room.

Happy Trails
Vic

GlockMeister · 07-29-2008, 07:35 PM

Not sure where you're at on finding the date on this, but here's a website you can go to.Just enter the serial # and see what comes up? I entered 656000 and it did come up as 1922.

http://armscollectors.com/sn/winlook...le=win1890.dat

bassoneer · 08-03-2008, 06:15 PM

I also inherited a bunch of guns from my grandfather. I've been shooting the shotguns a lot lately, but I also have a model 90 (mine says 90, but its an 1890) in .22 WRF. I've been getting the ammo from Cabela's (CCI) and it gets here in a couple of days. I also got a Winchester model 57 bolt action. I got the 57 all sighted in with its Lyman peep site to where I could hit a little metal spinner target at 30 yards. Then I picked up the model 1890 and hit it on the first try with the iron sites. It has slightly more power than the model 57 (.22 LR) and is a lot of fun to shoot. I wish the ammo didn't cost so much. Also, the octagonal barrel is neat. I would really love to refinish and reblue the gun (I think my grandfather already did) but I'm waiting for a while. Later, B

ancient-iron · 10-12-2008, 04:42 PM

ancient-iron.com [/url]
If pictures you want-I've got them. I couldn't see how to post them here.

Vic

Oxford · 10-22-2008, 12:13 PM

ancient-iron...and others who need to post pictures on G&G...here's a link I posted previously with simple steps for posting pictures.

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/pow...tures-g-g.html (Simple steps for posting pictures on g&g)

bbArnold · 11-19-2008, 03:16 PM

I have just purchased a 1890 Winchester SN170xxx from an estate. There was a canvas an leather trimmed take down case with the rifle and the grandson said that it came with the rifle. The rifle is in 90% or better condition but I have not been able to track down the case. The only marking on the case is the number 1798. Any help on the case would be appreciated.
The rifle is 22 Short. I don't know how to include a picture so I havn't done so, sorry.
bbArnold

05-29-2007, 01:55 PM	#1
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	Winchester Model 1890 I'll apologize in advance because I don't have pictures to post for this thread. However, yesterday looked over my son in law's newest toy...a Winchester Model 1890 .22 short pump rifle. According to Winchester's web site for determing age of their guns, the rifle was made in 1922. It has the octagon shaped barrel and here's more information found stamped on various parts of the rifle: USA Patent office-June 26, 1888, Dec 8, 1892, Nov 27, 1906 and May 30, 1911 On rear sight it has Pat Jan 29, 1901 On receiver it has Winchester Repating Arms Co, New Haven, Conn. Serial number is 656xxx Found a similar rifle on Auction Arms: Winchester wra Model 1890 22 short NICE OLD RIFLE! - Auction: 8016981 (Ends 05/31/2007, 0751 PST) My only purpose of posting about this is to share a good looking rifle with the rest of you Winchester gun collectors. Any comments would be appreciated. Ox __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

05-29-2007, 02:05 PM	#2
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,572 Images: 2	Sounds like one of the old Gallery Guns since it is .22 short. My book says check for re-barrelling(Notice proofmarks on Barrel) since these guns were heavily used. Value depending on condition runs 300.00 to 1000.00 for that 1890 Takedown model post 1901 Mfg. Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

05-29-2007, 02:15 PM	#3
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	Rich...Thanks for your comments. That's an interesting comment about the possibility of it being a former shooting gallery gun. What else would a .22 short rifle be useful for except something like that. Hadn't thought of that. Didn't mention above..but when we tried to load .22 short rounds in it's receiver tube they wouldn't slide down correctly. Fact is, a couple jammed inside and we had a hard time retrieving them...but finally set the gun down and tapped it lightly to dislodge those rounds. Therefore, I'm guessing either the plunger for the tube is bent slightly...or the receiver tube is damaged inside. Maybe that's why someone discarded it. Regardless, the finish on the barrel, stock, etc, is in good condition...much better than shown in the link I attached above. I suppose you're probably right about $300 upwards for it's market value...unless something else is discovered about it's condition which changes things. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

05-29-2007, 02:35 PM	#4
Mooseman684 Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Alaska Wilderness Posts: 10,572 Images: 2	Oxford, Yeah I would check the tube for Cleanlines, Dents , and straightness. Dents can be removed carefully, and the inner tube can be straightened by hand by placing it in a piece of angle Iron or angle aluminum that is straight and by rotating it to find the high spots, use only thumb pressure to straighten it out ! Also Clean the inside of the Inner tube! Rich __________________ You know you might be facing your doom,when all you get is a click when you're expecting a BOOM!

07-21-2008, 05:03 PM	#7
ancient-iron Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 5	1890 Winchester These are great slide actions. I have quite a few. Several are the rarest Birdseye Maple stocked, of which only 10 are lettered by Winchester. The gallery gun comments concerning the speed loader cut out is correct. The WRF is the most valuable [slightly shorter than 22 mag.] Developed by the great John Browning at the behest of Winchester, these are becoming increasingly valuable. I'd be happy to address freely any questions I might be qualified to answer. Values have increased significantly in the past few years, but I'm probably least qualified to address these concerns. I hope these are conserved rather than considering short term destruction. The true value of these is their ultimate practical use as incredibly accurate firearms. ancient-iron.com Last edited by ancient-iron; 07-21-2008 at 05:10 PM.

06-29-2008, 07:35 AM	#5
VladTepes Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 18	OK well I finally found a thread that might be appropriate to post my question in. I have an 1890 third model in .22 WRF (actually it's my nephew's but due to our firearms laws I had to put it on my licence when he inherited it, to stop it being destroyed!) It's in pretty ordinary condition and I was wanting to do it up so at least it cycles cleanly etc, as well as doing up the woodwork. Can anyone point me to some complete takedown instructions and/or a copy of the instruction manual for this firearm ? I did a brief little article on it here: http://www.australianhunting.net/AHN...;s%20Rifle.htm (you may have to join the forum to view the page, I'm not sure). Thanks all !

06-29-2008, 11:11 AM	#6
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,111	great little rifle, i grew up shooting an 1890, and also have a 1906 project. many of these rifles were chambered for 22shorts, and WERE NOT gallery guns. the dead give away for a gallery gun is the odd triangular cutout in the loading tube for using speed loaders. if the cutout in the magazine tube is shaped like a 22cartridge, it most assuredly is not a gallery gun. the bible on these rifles was written by Ned Schwing called "winchester slide-action rifles volumes 1&2.

07-27-2008, 02:01 PM	#8
bill turnbull Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3	question(s) on a scarce 1890 I've owned a few 1890's and mostly shot them. Recently found a 18" half round/half Oct. 1890 made 1896 and short stock. It letters and I have the letter. It letters as "short stock" and it is a short stock. The butt plate is steel or iron and not one pictured in the Schwing book. I find no mention of a different butt. There is no Winchester name on the barrel. That seems to me to be bacause the space on the barrel is not adequate for the roll stamp. The butt plate looks good. But would like to verify that something like this was used. bill turnbull

07-27-2008, 04:11 PM	#9
lefty o Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: mn Posts: 5,111	got a picture of it?

07-27-2008, 04:16 PM	#10
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 14,347 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 154	all this talk about cool old guns . not one picture? __________________ "I would never die for my beliefs because what if I'm wrong?"- Bertrand Russell

07-29-2008, 04:06 AM	#12
bill turnbull Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3	on photos I don' yet have photos. Not sure how to post them here. I can send them to your email. bill turnbull

07-29-2008, 11:00 AM	#13
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	I hope to receive pics ASAP from my Son In Law which I'll be sure to post. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

07-29-2008, 11:08 AM	#14
big boomer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Minn. Posts: 1,243	congrads on the 1890 its one fine pump I have the 06 and it shoots better than it should, these are fine guns and make great little shooters. The one I have my grandfather was known to hit birds on the fly with it something I had trouble with using a shotgun. His 06 would take all 3 shells s,l,lr but he liked shorts best.

07-29-2008, 07:35 PM	#16
GlockMeister Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 6,292	Not sure where you're at on finding the date on this, but here's a website you can go to.Just enter the serial # and see what comes up? I entered 656000 and it did come up as 1922. http://armscollectors.com/sn/winlook...le=win1890.dat __________________ I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!

08-03-2008, 06:15 PM	#17
bassoneer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 171	I also inherited a bunch of guns from my grandfather. I've been shooting the shotguns a lot lately, but I also have a model 90 (mine says 90, but its an 1890) in .22 WRF. I've been getting the ammo from Cabela's (CCI) and it gets here in a couple of days. I also got a Winchester model 57 bolt action. I got the 57 all sighted in with its Lyman peep site to where I could hit a little metal spinner target at 30 yards. Then I picked up the model 1890 and hit it on the first try with the iron sites. It has slightly more power than the model 57 (.22 LR) and is a lot of fun to shoot. I wish the ammo didn't cost so much. Also, the octagonal barrel is neat. I would really love to refinish and reblue the gun (I think my grandfather already did) but I'm waiting for a while. Later, B

10-12-2008, 04:42 PM	#18
ancient-iron Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 5	1890 22 Birdseye Maple ancient-iron.com [/url] If pictures you want-I've got them. I couldn't see how to post them here. Vic

10-22-2008, 12:13 PM	#19
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	ancient-iron...and others who need to post pictures on G&G...here's a link I posted previously with simple steps for posting pictures. http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/pow...tures-g-g.html (Simple steps for posting pictures on g&g) __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

11-19-2008, 03:16 PM	#20
bbArnold Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mis-South Posts: 2	1890 Winchester I have just purchased a 1890 Winchester SN170xxx from an estate. There was a canvas an leather trimmed take down case with the rifle and the grandson said that it came with the rifle. The rifle is in 90% or better condition but I have not been able to track down the case. The only marking on the case is the number 1798. Any help on the case would be appreciated. The rifle is 22 Short. I don't know how to include a picture so I havn't done so, sorry. bbArnold