Vets for Fred '08

[dscrick]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Well, can't argue with that too much. Simple and direct.

Personally, I've been a little disappointed with him. He doesn't seem too fired-up about wanting the job; it's almost like he's just going through the motions because it was expected of him.

I know what you mean, many people have made that comment. But I think he's being smart. Why bring out your big guns this early in the fight? I think he's saving himself for when the real show begins, when republicans get to debate the Dems instead of themselves

[Wingwiper]

I think Fred may seem too laid back, because he is NATURAL and the others are laying on the SENSATIONALISM and making the talk to impress.

McCain is a Democrat and has supported Gun Control

Rommey is a Liberal Democrat if there ever was one

Hucklebee is FAKE and a smooth talker but I do not trust him.

I like my Guns and I like the idea that the Illegals are being addressed and I feel Fred will continue on BOTH.

Paul is out in left field, has some good points but they are lost his insanity

Guillani is living offof 9-11 like McCain is living on being a POW.

My Two Cents

Semper Fi

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by dscrick

I know what you mean, many people have made that comment. But I think he's being smart. Why bring out your big guns this early in the fight? I think he's saving himself for when the real show begins, when republicans get to debate the Dems instead of themselves

If he keeps saving himself, he'll never make it to debating a Democrat.

[billy]

as soon as i figure out who has a snowballs chance in hell i'll know who i am voting for.
i REALLY dont want to throw away my vote on someone that i trust and has integrity but will never ever win anything.
sad huh?

A VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT IS A WASTED VOTE!

[LEE3370]

The only WASTED vote is one stays at home.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Fred came through our town today. Wife walked outside to take some pics. Could have gone to see him myself but I figured why bother, he's a non issue in this election.

[ArkansasHunter]

I agree with troy about Fred he seems not to be fired up or prepared.
But I may vote for him if Huckabee falls out of the race.

Now LiveToShoot at this point in time who or which canadate are you considering ?
Or is most appealing to you at this stage of the race ?
A.H

[LiveToShoot]

A.H.,

Dems are out for me...I can't see giving away the farm any further. Hillary is an example of the total antithesis of what I'm looking for in a presidential, or any other, candidate and would hope she is never as close as she once was to the presidency ever again, and Obama and Edwards are not far behind.

Reps are quite a mixed basket of offerings. There are some points being well taken by each of the candidates. Taking the time to research records and learn about each candidate's platform, to identify a candidate who has the best mix, going way under the surface of the politic-talk they're offering on the campaign trail, is a real task to undertake.

However, the candidate that I favor the most at this point, a candidate whose record and platform has the best mix of points being taken, combined with the candidate who has the most diversified mix of professional and political experiences that can serve them well as they serve us as US President, is Mitt Romney.

I've been reading a book titled "The 5,000 Year Leap" (National Center for Constitutional Studies - NCCS). Therein the author has listed 28 Principles of Liberty that the Founding Fathers of our US Constitution carefully and intentionally embodied within our US Constitution. I've been using this list of the Principles of Liberty as a yard stick to measure each candidate, to assess if and how their platform as a whole, and the pattern of their personal life, will support and perpetuate our US Constitution...will protect our unalienable rights and freedoms, and help us as a people and a nation to be an example of a way of living for good in the world.

As Reagan used to say, paraphrased in my own words, the US needs to be a "shining city" of light on a hill...a help and a guide for other peoples and nations to follow in the pursuit of freedom. (WorldNetDaily: Independence Day: Celebrate Reagan's 'Shining City')

I believe our US Constitution is a miracle, and that we need to find the best presidential candidate who will help us all support and perpetuate it.

[Troy]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Sorry, LiveToShoot. I don't give myself away.
But I do go cheap, sometimes...

ya know, i love these jousting matches. i have read more about american politics here than anywhere else. learned a thing or two and sometimes it's so comical i feel guilty about not paying admission for the show.

[LiveToShoot]

Troy...

If you've not already read the book, "The 5,000 Year Leap", may I suggest reading it as a compliment to your knowledge of American politics and our US Constitution?

The author of "The 5,000 Year Leap" provides a clear presentation, in a very small package, of the actual bed rock principles of liberty that the Founding Fathers were diligently trying to embody and uphold within our US Constitution, as contained and illustrated in their own writings within the book.

Info on the book, and other US Constitution materials, can be obtained at: Five Thousand Year Leap

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Troy

ya know, i love these jousting matches. i have read more about american politics here than anywhere else. learned a thing or two and sometimes it's so comical i feel guilty about not paying admission for the show.

It's the real All-American pastime, Troy. Don't let 'em fool you with that blather about baseball and football...

LiveToShoot, which Mitt Romney do you support? The old old tax-raising, pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-immigrant, pro-gay rights, pro-campaign finance reform, pro-stem cell research, etc., Mitt Romney, or the new Mitt Romney who's against all that stuff?

You'll have to make up your mind before you register for the primary. The new Mitt is on the Republican ballot, but I think the old one's on the Democratic one.

[LiveToShoot]

"I'll give him points for that; Massachusetts is a hard place to do anything good for gun-owners.

"I guess the question is: overall, was he a conservative taking on protective coloration for the job in MA and showing his true colors now, or was he showing his true colors as governor, and taking on conservative camo now to get the president's job? Or is he a mix who isn't neatly pigeonholed?

"To tell the truth, I haven't studied him that closely because I'm not voting in any Republican primaries. If he gets the nomination I'll look him over closely, and hope to God he's better than Rudy or Hillary." -Troy2000

The questions and answers on Mitt Romney, or any other candidate, and his qualifications to serve us as US President are to be pursued and discovered by each voter...like so many of the other tough and very important things in life, it's a personal pursuit and choice.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

"I'll give him points for that; Massachusetts is a hard place to do anything good for gun-owners.
"I guess the question is: overall, was he a conservative taking on protective coloration for the job in MA and showing his true colors now, or was he showing his true colors as governor, and taking on conservative camo now to get the president's job? Or is he a mix who isn't neatly pigeonholed?
"To tell the truth, I haven't studied him that closely because I'm not voting in any Republican primaries. If he gets the nomination I'll look him over closely, and hope to God he's better than Rudy or Hillary." -Troy2000
The questions and answers on Mitt Romney, or any other candidate, and his qualifications to serve us as US President are to be pursued and discovered by each voter...like so many of the other tough and very important things in life, it's a personal pursuit and choice.

I've looked him over since I made those comments, LIveToShoot, and decided he's an opportunist with few if any core values. He's whatever it takes to get people to vote for him. That kind of responsiveness to popular opinion and belief can work in a fairly small state, but I think a presidential administration needs to be built on a stronger foundation.

[LiveToShoot]

As a person, husband, father, community leader, business professional, public servant, and politician, my research has revealed to me that Mitt Romney is a very strong exemplar of solid core values, core values that we need in the next US President.

Thus far in his life, Mitt Romney has repeatedly demonstrated and clearly established a history of success in his personal, family and public service life...which speaks very well of a member of the human race, taking into consideration all the foibles that we are each subject to as such.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

As a person, husband, father, community leader, business professional, public servant, and politician, my research has revealed to me that Mitt Romney is a very strong exemplar of solid core values, core values that we need in the next US President.
Thus far in his life, Mitt Romney has repeatedly demonstrated and clearly established a history of success in his personal, family and public service life...which speaks very well of a member of the human race, taking into consideration all the foibles that we are each subject to as such.

And it doesn't bother you that his stand on numerous issues has reversed 180 degrees since he decided to run for president?

Well, consider this, then: according to a column by Amanda B Carpenter at the website for Human Events ("Leading the Conservative Movement*since 1944"),

"Former Minnesota Congressman Vin Weber has become Romney’s overall policy chairman....Weber now leads the lobbying firm Clark & Weinstock and is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations."

And according to his biography on Wikipedia, Weber is not only a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, but serves on its board. Hmmm...

[LiveToShoot]

A human/political foible chink in armor or a calculated, strategically planned strength? The verification of such is not yet in...it's yet to play out and be decided.

My research and findings on Mitt, as noted above, still stand solidly...and will continue to stand solidly, until Mitt proves otherwise.

Now let's return to the original theme of this thread...and post discussion on Mitt in another thread where such is consistent with thread topic. ...my initial divergence to discuss Mitt was in reply to a question of my political position from A.H., and not meant to take us off this thread's subject.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

A human/political foible chink in armor or a calculated, strategically planned strength? The verification of such is not yet in...it's yet to play out and be decided.
My research and findings on Mitt, as noted above, still stand solidly...and will continue to stand solidly, until Mitt proves otherwise.
Now let's return to the original theme of this thread...and post discussion on Mitt in another thread where such is consistent with thread topic. ...my initial divergence to discuss Mitt was in reply to a question of my political position from A.H., and not meant to take us off this thread's subject.

In other words, "my mind is made up; don't confuse me with facts."

[LiveToShoot]

Present facts sufficiently sustain present position, and additional adjustments to that position will be taken into consideration as future facts become available.

[Wingwiper]

Fred is the ONLY REAL Conservative.

Why is Romney and McCain in the lead? Simple, any REAl Democrat knows they have nothing running on their side, so they go to the GOP side and look for the person who best fits the Democrats needs, McCain and Romney.

Now I ask you all, Have you known any Republican to come out of Mass? Romney is far from a Republican. Mass has never known a Republican little alone ever voted for one to be Gov.

Hucklebee is another Jimmy Carter, Lord have mercy on us if he wins.
McCain is another side kick of Ted Kennedy and what you see in the GOP Primaries is Democrates voting for their choices, if you all think Republican and want a Republican to win, they muster behind Fred.

Semper Fi

[LiveToShoot]

Bye Fred...thanks for your contribution to the 2008 presidential race.