Vets for Fred '08

NRAJOE · 12-15-2007, 01:01 PM

Dear Fellow Veteran:

While most of us are stateside enjoying the comforts of home with family and friends during this holiday season, hundreds of thousands of brave men and women will remain abroad defending our freedom and that of others.

We are in the trenches stateside helping Fred Thompson run for President because he is the most experienced and consistent conservative leader of the major candidates. It is imperative to have a solid Commander-in-Chief to lead our nation during time of war, and Fred is that man.

Some of our troops in Iraq agree, and are showing their support for Fred there. You can see more on the Vets for Fred site.

http://fredfile.fred08.com/veterans/

Last month, Fred rolled out his plan to revitalize our military in a speech at the Citadel entitled: "Four Pillars of a Revitalized National Defense" which you can review by clicking here. His plan is being widely hailed as a substantive and sound policy proposal.

Fred's plan increases the defense budget to 4.5% of GDP and builds a "million member" ground force with and Army end strength of 775,000 organized into 64 brigade combat teams and increase active duty Marine Corps forces by 50,000 to 225,000. This will enable us to handle peacetime and wartime missions without wearing out our troops or increasing the vulnerability of the United States. As Fred stated, "Half-measures and small increases will no longer do."

Here is what a people have said about Fred's plan:

Investor's Business Daily:

"Fred Thompson wants a million-man ground force and more modern equipment on the ground, in the air and on the water. The arsenal of democracy needs some retooling....Once again the U.S. military is depleted and exhausted...It may be time for another buildup like Reagan's that brought down the evil empire and gave us the means for victory in Desert Storm."

The Weekly Standard:

"Fred Thompson staked out a Reaganesque position on defense spending and the need to increase the size of the military... Thompson is talking about a real build-up of the kind that this administration should have undertaken from the moment it entered office, but failed to do even after the attacks on 9/11."

The National Review:

"While most candidates have called for increasing the size of the military, Thompson laid out a detailed plan to achieve that end...Thompson has set a standard of specificity, conservatism, and soundness that we would like to see the other Republican candidates measure up to."

Our troops, veterans and their families deserve a Commander in Chief who is ready on Day One, not someone who needs on-the-job training when it comes to foreign affairs and national security.

Fred Thompson will be ready to lead the minute he is sworn in, and that is why we are supporting him for President.

If you would like to spread the word and help Fred's campaign, please click here to fill out our Veterans Volunteer Sheet and return it via fax to Stephanie McNees at 571-730-1001. Please indicate if you are interested in holding a leadership position as a Veterans Coordinator within your state

Thank you for your service.

Sincerely yours,

James E. Livingston Joe Repya
Co-Chairman National Executive Director
Veterans for Fred Veterans for Fred
MAJGEN, USMC (Ret.) LTC, USA (Ret.)
Medal of Honor Recipient

LiveToShoot · 12-16-2007, 01:50 AM

Here's some background info on Fred Thompson, that points out he is part of the old school, a CFR, an insider:
WorldNetDaily: Fred Thompson's globalist pedigree
LefemineforLife.net: Fred Thompson / CFR / North American Union

The instrument may be different, but the music being played is still the same tune.

Fred is a part of the same groups the Billary's are in with, and not quite so recognizable as such because he's parading around in different colors. Have a look under the deceptive wardrobe for the real identity.

This Vet doesn't see an ally in Fred...quite the opposite.

mosineer · 12-16-2007, 12:07 PM

[quote=LiveToShoot;380545]Here's some background info on Fred Thompson, that points out he is part of the old school, a CFR, an insider:
WorldNetDaily: Fred Thompson's globalist pedigree
LefemineforLife.net: Fred Thompson / CFR / North American Union

I have not totally made up my mind who I will vote for , but I most definitely will not make any decision based on the above sources. Steve Lefemine is to the radical religious right, as George Soros is to the radical Non-religious left. I do not consider either to be healthy for this country. My opinion of course. And like something else, everyone has one.

This Vietnam Vet still likes Fred

*****************************************************
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

LiveToShoot · 12-16-2007, 12:30 PM

Do some independent research on your own, from whatever news and info sources you feel comfortable with, on either end or middle of the media spectrum, about the CFR, who's serving on the council, how the CFR is connected to the Trilateral Commission, what their agendas are, and what they have done, and the answers will be the same...

Here's a good starting place, and there's an abundance of info at other locations as well, so you can identify what the CFR is and who CFR members are:
LP: (CFR) Council on Foreign Relations 2006 Membership Roster (sans "L")
CFR Who's Who - Stop the North American Union
Videos - Stop The North American Union

Red is red, and it always will be.

Yes, we all have opinions, as the saying goes...and sometimes they need to be wiped clean so they can function well again.

mosineer · 12-16-2007, 08:48 PM

It should be obvious that I have already researched LTS. Your references are old news. It is fine that you have come to the conclusions that you have. That is your right. Just as it is for me to draw my own conclusions. I simply do not agree with many of yours. And sorry, I am not into conspiracy theories. Gun rights is one of MANY factors that will influence my vote, and nothing that I have read (so far) will stop me vot'en for Fred...

This 'Nam vet still likes Fred

ps---Nice paddle Joe

*****************************************************
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing

LiveToShoot · 12-16-2007, 08:55 PM

Good Morning, and welcome to America... Where we still have those rights and freedoms, and where we extend to each other civil human courtesy, regardless of how we so choose.

lastman · 12-17-2007, 01:41 PM

I;am with you NRAJOE had the same experience,and am thankful that as a former marine that I do not have to door to door instead of hotch to hotch, I belive in carry a big stick and let the nuts out thier know not afraid to use it so am supporting Fred and am voteing for him, and godbless you made it home NRAJOE---- last man

LiveToShoot · 12-19-2007, 05:48 PM

Background of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission, and how they have been assigned key government positions since President Jimmy Carter 's administration:

CouncilOnForeignRelations.net

Senator Fred Thompson is a current member of the CFR. If elected to be the next US President, will he be a unique member of the CFR group and not follow the established pattern of filling his cabinet with other CFR/Trilateral Commission members?

That seems to be a very important question which we should get an answer from Fred on...

The CFR and Trilateral Commission have as part of their agenda, in the forming of the NAU and other One World Government/Globalist pre-measures, the removal of firearms from citizenry. The record shows that their membership strongly supports Brady Bill legislation and banning assault weapons.

However, while running for office, many politicians neglect to mention their CFR or Trilateral Commission ties. Instead, they put on the colors of the day to persuade voters into believing their message and trusting in their future actions. As an example, Dick Cheney never made his CFR affiliations know, until after he was in office.

billy · 12-19-2007, 06:03 PM

a vote for an independent is a vote for the democrats!

LiveToShoot · 12-19-2007, 06:09 PM

Based on that provenly sound premise Billy, we must choose very carefully which Republican presidential candidate we support in the caucus and primaries, and eventually vote for.

As you know, I really like owning firearms, and I deeply enjoy the other rights and freedoms we have. All this makes for a powerful reason to do all I can to help get the best candidate identified and voted for...and for you too.

billy · 12-19-2007, 06:19 PM

dont i know it buddy...

troy2000 · 12-24-2007, 03:28 PM

LiveToShoot, it might save us all a lot of time and trouble if you just told us the names of the three or four people besides yourself who aren't part of some shadowy conspiracy.

It's getting to where I can't go anywhere on gunandgame without tripping over your paranoid beliefs.

LiveToShoot · 12-24-2007, 04:07 PM

Please don't mis-interpret my posts as being paranoid beliefs...

My posts are intended as presentations of info, relevant to what is happening around us in the US and in the world, for review and feedback from forum members.

There is no hidden agenda here, no ulterior motives, no attempt to maliciously bash or defame.

I have no personal gain in any part of this, other than the desire and effort to increase my awareness and understanding of people, groups and issues of our day.

In so doing, when it comes time for me to participate in an upcoming caucus, primary and general election, I hope to be able to do so in a more prepared way...a way that will help to sustain and perpetuate our rights and freedoms as Americans.

troy2000 · 12-24-2007, 04:32 PM

You know, a lot of people who have no genuine influence or power in their lives latch onto conspiracy theories, because being "in the know" makes them feel empowered.

Have you considered taking some self-esteem courses?

LiveToShoot · 12-24-2007, 04:45 PM

"You know, a lot of people who have no genuine influence or power in their lives latch onto conspiracy theories, because being 'in the know' makes them feel empowered."

"Have you considered taking some self-esteem courses?"

Good point Troy2000, for possible personal application on your part?

I live a stable, productive and successful life, a satisfying and self-esteem enriching life, and I feel whatever empowerment is necessary that comes through such.

Lots of personal attacks Troy2000...may I suggest that you be more careful to not give yourself away so much.

troy2000 · 12-24-2007, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveToShoot

Lots of personal attacks Troy2000...may I suggest that you be more careful to not give yourself away so much.

Sorry, LiveToShoot. I don't give myself away.

But I do go cheap, sometimes...

LiveToShoot · 12-25-2007, 08:47 PM

Additional perspective on the CFR, its membership and activities:
Mordechai Zember -- Council on Foreign Relations is an Elite Cabal
Mordechai Zember -- C.F.R. Has No Affiliation with the U.S. Gov't.

When looking at a each presidential candidate, or any other candidate campaigning for political office, it's helpful to know who, people and organized groups, is behind them and what their real agenda is...not the agenda, lip service, they give during campaign time to win your vote. Much of what is contained in the hidden agenda(s) challenges our rights and freedoms, and especially our gun rights, even though the candidate(s) may/will voice otherwise while on the campaign trail. The CFR has an agenda, and it's an agenda that is gradually bearing fruit which we may not want to partake of.

Seabeescotty · 12-27-2007, 11:43 PM

I'm sorry, but it is each American's responsibility to research and decide which candidate is the best choice that can be made for the office of President. All the smoke and mirrors in the world will not change my mind. I don't mind a good discussion, but throwing all this propaganda out here is starting to wear a bit thin. If you have an opinion, give it. Leave the B.S. for another site.

Scotty

dscrick · 01-10-2008, 09:22 PM

I'm a Vet. I'm for Fred. 'Nuff said

troy2000 · 01-10-2008, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dscrick

I'm a Vet. I'm for Fred. 'Nuff said

Well, can't argue with that too much. Simple and direct.

Personally, I've been a little disappointed with him. He doesn't seem too fired-up about wanting the job; it's almost like he's just going through the motions because it was expected of him.

12-15-2007, 01:01 PM	#1
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,043 Images: 3	Vets for Fred '08 Dear Fellow Veteran: While most of us are stateside enjoying the comforts of home with family and friends during this holiday season, hundreds of thousands of brave men and women will remain abroad defending our freedom and that of others. We are in the trenches stateside helping Fred Thompson run for President because he is the most experienced and consistent conservative leader of the major candidates. It is imperative to have a solid Commander-in-Chief to lead our nation during time of war, and Fred is that man. Some of our troops in Iraq agree, and are showing their support for Fred there. You can see more on the Vets for Fred site. http://fredfile.fred08.com/veterans/ Last month, Fred rolled out his plan to revitalize our military in a speech at the Citadel entitled: "Four Pillars of a Revitalized National Defense" which you can review by clicking here. His plan is being widely hailed as a substantive and sound policy proposal. Fred's plan increases the defense budget to 4.5% of GDP and builds a "million member" ground force with and Army end strength of 775,000 organized into 64 brigade combat teams and increase active duty Marine Corps forces by 50,000 to 225,000. This will enable us to handle peacetime and wartime missions without wearing out our troops or increasing the vulnerability of the United States. As Fred stated, "Half-measures and small increases will no longer do." Here is what a people have said about Fred's plan: Investor's Business Daily: "Fred Thompson wants a million-man ground force and more modern equipment on the ground, in the air and on the water. The arsenal of democracy needs some retooling....Once again the U.S. military is depleted and exhausted...It may be time for another buildup like Reagan's that brought down the evil empire and gave us the means for victory in Desert Storm." The Weekly Standard: "Fred Thompson staked out a Reaganesque position on defense spending and the need to increase the size of the military... Thompson is talking about a real build-up of the kind that this administration should have undertaken from the moment it entered office, but failed to do even after the attacks on 9/11." The National Review: "While most candidates have called for increasing the size of the military, Thompson laid out a detailed plan to achieve that end...Thompson has set a standard of specificity, conservatism, and soundness that we would like to see the other Republican candidates measure up to." Our troops, veterans and their families deserve a Commander in Chief who is ready on Day One, not someone who needs on-the-job training when it comes to foreign affairs and national security. Fred Thompson will be ready to lead the minute he is sworn in, and that is why we are supporting him for President. If you would like to spread the word and help Fred's campaign, please click here to fill out our Veterans Volunteer Sheet and return it via fax to Stephanie McNees at 571-730-1001. Please indicate if you are interested in holding a leadership position as a Veterans Coordinator within your state Thank you for your service. Sincerely yours, James E. Livingston Joe Repya Co-Chairman National Executive Director Veterans for Fred Veterans for Fred MAJGEN, USMC (Ret.) LTC, USA (Ret.) Medal of Honor Recipient __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

12-16-2007, 01:50 AM	#2
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Here's some background info on Fred Thompson, that points out he is part of the old school, a CFR, an insider: WorldNetDaily: Fred Thompson's globalist pedigree LefemineforLife.net: Fred Thompson / CFR / North American Union The instrument may be different, but the music being played is still the same tune. Fred is a part of the same groups the Billary's are in with, and not quite so recognizable as such because he's parading around in different colors. Have a look under the deceptive wardrobe for the real identity. This Vet doesn't see an ally in Fred...quite the opposite. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-16-2007 at 01:54 AM.

12-16-2007, 12:30 PM	#4
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Do some independent research on your own, from whatever news and info sources you feel comfortable with, on either end or middle of the media spectrum, about the CFR, who's serving on the council, how the CFR is connected to the Trilateral Commission, what their agendas are, and what they have done, and the answers will be the same... Here's a good starting place, and there's an abundance of info at other locations as well, so you can identify what the CFR is and who CFR members are: LP: (CFR) Council on Foreign Relations 2006 Membership Roster (sans "L") CFR Who's Who - Stop the North American Union Videos - Stop The North American Union Red is red, and it always will be. Yes, we all have opinions, as the saying goes...and sometimes they need to be wiped clean so they can function well again. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-16-2007 at 02:17 PM.

12-16-2007, 08:55 PM	#6
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Good Morning, and welcome to America... Where we still have those rights and freedoms, and where we extend to each other civil human courtesy, regardless of how we so choose. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-16-2007 at 09:00 PM.

12-19-2007, 05:48 PM	#8
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Background of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Trilateral Commission, and how they have been assigned key government positions since President Jimmy Carter 's administration: CouncilOnForeignRelations.net Senator Fred Thompson is a current member of the CFR. If elected to be the next US President, will he be a unique member of the CFR group and not follow the established pattern of filling his cabinet with other CFR/Trilateral Commission members? That seems to be a very important question which we should get an answer from Fred on... The CFR and Trilateral Commission have as part of their agenda, in the forming of the NAU and other One World Government/Globalist pre-measures, the removal of firearms from citizenry. The record shows that their membership strongly supports Brady Bill legislation and banning assault weapons. However, while running for office, many politicians neglect to mention their CFR or Trilateral Commission ties. Instead, they put on the colors of the day to persuade voters into believing their message and trusting in their future actions. As an example, Dick Cheney never made his CFR affiliations know, until after he was in office. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-19-2007 at 06:05 PM.

12-16-2007, 12:07 PM	#3
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,299	[quote=LiveToShoot;380545]Here's some background info on Fred Thompson, that points out he is part of the old school, a CFR, an insider: WorldNetDaily: Fred Thompson's globalist pedigree LefemineforLife.net: Fred Thompson / CFR / North American Union I have not totally made up my mind who I will vote for , but I most definitely will not make any decision based on the above sources. Steve Lefemine is to the radical religious right, as George Soros is to the radical Non-religious left. I do not consider either to be healthy for this country. My opinion of course. And like something else, everyone has one. This Vietnam Vet still likes Fred *************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

12-16-2007, 08:48 PM	#5
mosineer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,299	It should be obvious that I have already researched LTS. Your references are old news. It is fine that you have come to the conclusions that you have. That is your right. Just as it is for me to draw my own conclusions. I simply do not agree with many of yours. And sorry, I am not into conspiracy theories. Gun rights is one of MANY factors that will influence my vote, and nothing that I have read (so far) will stop me vot'en for Fred... This 'Nam vet still likes Fred ps---Nice paddle Joe *************************************************** All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing**

12-17-2007, 01:41 PM	#7
lastman Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: high desert of central, oregon Posts: 19	I;am with you NRAJOE had the same experience,and am thankful that as a former marine that I do not have to door to door instead of hotch to hotch, I belive in carry a big stick and let the nuts out thier know not afraid to use it so am supporting Fred and am voteing for him, and godbless you made it home NRAJOE---- last man

12-19-2007, 06:03 PM	#9
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,929 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	a vote for an independent is a vote for the democrats! __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

12-19-2007, 06:09 PM	#10
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Based on that provenly sound premise Billy, we must choose very carefully which Republican presidential candidate we support in the caucus and primaries, and eventually vote for. As you know, I really like owning firearms, and I deeply enjoy the other rights and freedoms we have. All this makes for a powerful reason to do all I can to help get the best candidate identified and voted for...and for you too. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

12-19-2007, 06:19 PM	#11
billy spiritual counselor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: a secret lab on the shores of lake titicaca Posts: 11,929 Images: 9 Blog Entries: 145	dont i know it buddy... __________________ internet yards and real yards are completely different units of measure.

12-24-2007, 03:28 PM	#12
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,402 Images: 9	LiveToShoot, it might save us all a lot of time and trouble if you just told us the names of the three or four people besides yourself who aren't part of some shadowy conspiracy. It's getting to where I can't go anywhere on gunandgame without tripping over your paranoid beliefs. __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France Last edited by troy2000; 12-24-2007 at 04:30 PM.

12-24-2007, 04:07 PM	#13
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Please don't mis-interpret my posts as being paranoid beliefs... My posts are intended as presentations of info, relevant to what is happening around us in the US and in the world, for review and feedback from forum members. There is no hidden agenda here, no ulterior motives, no attempt to maliciously bash or defame. I have no personal gain in any part of this, other than the desire and effort to increase my awareness and understanding of people, groups and issues of our day. In so doing, when it comes time for me to participate in an upcoming caucus, primary and general election, I hope to be able to do so in a more prepared way...a way that will help to sustain and perpetuate our rights and freedoms as Americans. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-24-2007 at 04:10 PM.

12-24-2007, 04:32 PM	#14
troy2000 Resident Armed Liberal Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern California Posts: 9,402 Images: 9	You know, a lot of people who have no genuine influence or power in their lives latch onto conspiracy theories, because being "in the know" makes them feel empowered. Have you considered taking some self-esteem courses? __________________ If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -Anatole France

12-24-2007, 04:45 PM	#15
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	"You know, a lot of people who have no genuine influence or power in their lives latch onto conspiracy theories, because being 'in the know' makes them feel empowered." "Have you considered taking some self-esteem courses?" Good point Troy2000, for possible personal application on your part? I live a stable, productive and successful life, a satisfying and self-esteem enriching life, and I feel whatever empowerment is necessary that comes through such. Lots of personal attacks Troy2000...may I suggest that you be more careful to not give yourself away so much. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-24-2007 at 04:55 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-25-2007, 08:47 PM	#17
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,062	Additional perspective on the CFR, its membership and activities: Mordechai Zember -- Council on Foreign Relations is an Elite Cabal Mordechai Zember -- C.F.R. Has No Affiliation with the U.S. Gov't. When looking at a each presidential candidate, or any other candidate campaigning for political office, it's helpful to know who, people and organized groups, is behind them and what their real agenda is...not the agenda, lip service, they give during campaign time to win your vote. Much of what is contained in the hidden agenda(s) challenges our rights and freedoms, and especially our gun rights, even though the candidate(s) may/will voice otherwise while on the campaign trail. The CFR has an agenda, and it's an agenda that is gradually bearing fruit which we may not want to partake of. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-25-2007 at 09:01 PM.

12-27-2007, 11:43 PM	#18
Seabeescotty Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Jay, Oklahoma, God's country. Posts: 3,984 Images: 18 Blog Entries: 1	I'm sorry, but it is each American's responsibility to research and decide which candidate is the best choice that can be made for the office of President. All the smoke and mirrors in the world will not change my mind. I don't mind a good discussion, but throwing all this propaganda out here is starting to wear a bit thin. If you have an opinion, give it. Leave the B.S. for another site.Scotty

01-10-2008, 09:22 PM	#19
dscrick Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 54	I'm a Vet. I'm for Fred. 'Nuff said