Ron Paul/Glenn Beck

Deersniper · 12-19-2007, 01:08 AM

Ron did great. Beck was in awe. Maybe even humbled.

Zen900 · 12-19-2007, 02:38 AM

Ron Paul: "When Fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag carrying a cross".

Zen900 replies: Fascism is already showing its face right now and neither of those two religions uses the cross. Ron Paul is a nut. Somebody needs to slap his face. He is nothing but Ross Perot part II.

troy2000 · 12-19-2007, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen900

Ron Paul: "When Fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag carrying a cross".
Zen900 replies: Fascism is already showing its face right now and neither of those two religions uses the cross. Ron Paul is a nut. Somebody needs to slap his face. He is nothing but Ross Perot part II.

That's not original with Ron Paul. But it's a hell of a good quote anyway. There are too many people who'd like to take over the country and our lives, and protect us from our rights, in the name of patriotism or Jesus.

Windwalker · 12-19-2007, 08:15 AM

Troy, I agree that there are many people and organizations who want to take over our Country, our Rights, and even our lives in the name of patriotism or religion. I am happy with my God and believe you have the right to be happy with yours as long as you don't try to force others to believe in yours. As for our Country and Rights, I feel that Ron Paul is our best choice for them to be safe. Zen, I don't understand how you can feel that way but you are entitled to your choice as long as you don't try to force it on me. Rights like freedom of speech is one of the things that make our Country great.

SilverRun · 12-19-2007, 09:19 AM

Well since Fascism is neither patriotic or Christian, I would suspect the quote is meant to suggest that Fascism will disguise itself as patriotic and Christian in an attempt to fool patriots and Christians into supporting it's cause. As patriots and Christians (me and some others here), we need to be able to recognize the difference and be on guard against Fascism. I believe that would be the message he is trying to convey. I personally like Ron, but I don't think he stands a chance.

Rave · 12-19-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverRun

Well since Fascism is neither patriotic or Christian, I would suspect the quote is meant to suggest that Fascism will disguise itself as patriotic and Christian in an attempt to fool patriots and Christians into supporting it's cause. As patriots and Christians (me and some others here), we need to be able to recognize the difference and be on guard against Fascism. I believe that would be the message he is trying to convey. I personally like Ron, but I don't think he stands a chance.

I,too like Ron Paul,and next Fred Thompson,but I also don't believe they stand a chance.
As far as fascism and anti-christ goes,don't look for it in the Christian religion,but in another that regardsfolks other than them selves to be Heritics,heathens,and infidels.
Nope,it's not the ones we are fighting,but the ones we are defending.

Deersniper · 12-19-2007, 11:59 AM

Just be cause the media says it's so don't make it so. I think he had good points and going back to the Constitution can't be bad for us, that's what made this country great. Name calling is what the others do, but not truly informed souls.

LiveToShoot · 12-19-2007, 12:04 PM

"Going back to the Constitution" will prove to be the most critical and balanced stand a candidate can place them self upon during this upcoming election process!

As I'm sure you well know, without the constitution being valiantly promoted and carefully adhered to we and our country are sunk.

Also, I firmly believe that mainstream media has really lost it's credibility, because it has lost its focus as it has been bought out and manipulated by corporate and other special interests.
___________________________

As I look at the good information coming out in political debates and interviews, I think it is absolutely amazing and patriotic for the candidates to address the real issues, regardless of whether or not they are being politically correct.

Thank you Ron Paul for having the internal fortitude and integrity to encourage us toward seeing what's really going on and encouraging us to get involved to make needed changes!

As a presidential candidate, Ron Paul is doing a lot toward helping Americans, and politicians in particular, take a closer look at the direction we're heading and the dangers to America and Americans that going in the direction we're headed in leads to.

VIDEO: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Complete Interview

I hope that more of the presidential candidates, and Americans, will stand up and stand out from the status quo by saying and doing what's best for America and Americans.

Bravo · 12-19-2007, 03:07 PM

Ron Paul did an amazing job answering every question thrown at him. I've never seen Beck agree with someone so much, and give so much time to answer questions. Ron Paul seems to have all the right answers, because he follows the constitution. Anyone that disagrees with him on a large scale is almost unpatriotic...yeah, I said it.

Zen900, you're taking his quote out of context, and your response both doesn't make sense and is unnecessary. If you mean that he is like Ross Perot in that he believes in what our founding fathers wanted, then ok. But Ron Paul has created a following and a revolution that nobody could have predicted. He is raising millions of dollars from the American people, and competing with the special interest groups at the same time.

And even after all of this, he remains to get little to no Mainstream Media time (even though networks like that often present worthless biased opinions). Hopefully Glenn Beck is the first of many TV appearances that he gets and rightfully deserves.

ruger22com · 12-19-2007, 04:05 PM

Ron paul is the best presidential candidate who stands a chance of winning, that we have had since george wallace.
Both believe in the same thing...limited government control and zero personal taxation.

The ONLY reason the IRS exists today is to provide jobs for IRS workers and government officials (Yes..hard as it is to believe...the IRS costs MORE to operate than it bring in through income taxes.) The cost of the government is paid for by tarriffs and hidden taxes, not income taxes. Paul is the ONLY candidate who wants to shut down the IRS and end this drain on tax payers (you and me), while all the other candidates want the IRS to continue, or replace it with an even higher flat tax.

Windwalker · 12-19-2007, 04:08 PM

Our Country is in dire need of politicians to stand up and support and defend the Constitution. Ron Paul is doing this and to an extent so is Mike Huckabee. This is the greatest Country on earth and our Constitution and our American citizens are what makes it so. Vote for the person you feel will best support our great country, even if you think they won't get elected. You might be supprised. Vote your consience for the good of America.

Bravo · 12-19-2007, 08:22 PM

Good point Windwalker. I told my grandmother that I am going to vote for Ron Paul, and she said, "But you're going to be wasting your vote."

Wasting your vote is sitting at home and doing nothing about it. I think people are going to be surprised how many votes Ron Paul really gets.

SilverRun · 12-19-2007, 09:23 PM

Well, as I said, I like Ron Paul. I still don't think he stands a shot at winning the nomination. But, you guys tilted me over the edge - I may waste it, but he will get my vote in the AL Republican primary. I guess support has to start somewhere.

His supporters had a table set up at the local gun show earlier in the month. They seemed to be gathering a lot of support and attention. No other candidates had supporters there. Maybe I just missed Hillary's table!

Zen900 · 12-19-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

Ron Paul seems to have all the right answers, because he follows the constitution.

R Paul insinuated that a christian will be the one who brings fascism. "Bearing a cross-wrapped in a flag". This is nothing but straight out the book, nutcase, Bush Hating 101 just like Rosie Odonnel subscribes to. Paul is calling Bush a fascist and taking aswipe at christinity. Is that part of the constitution? The constitution has nothing to do with R Paul or why he's a nut. People like Ross Perot, former Cali governor Jerry Brown and Dennis Kucinich: these three are examples of political fruitcakes who appeal to various libertarian, left and right wing types. Nuts like R Paul span the political spectrum.

LiveToShoot · 12-20-2007, 12:25 AM

I know of nothing from what I've read or heard from Ron Paul's campaign that could be considered anti-Christian, anti-constitutional or anti-American. Just the opposite in each case.

Ron Paul is somewhat unique in this presidential campaign, as others have been in other campaigns who have stood against the status quo.

He does have some strong and clear political views, that do reach outside of the general political discussion groups of the mainstream media populace. In so saying, I believe we're seeing that Ron Paul is opening up dialog across the nation about serious topics that are on people's minds, but have been unspoken by other politicians and little is mentioned through mainstream media. This is supported by how Ron Paul's campaign contributions of late have shown a broad contributor base across the nation, from those who agree with and what to hear more about the topics he's addressing.

My impression of Ron Paul's remark "fascism will come bearing a cross wrapped in the flag" seems to be a statement he made that reflects how he has seen President Bush and his contemporaries appear on the political scene overbearingly waving their Christian religion card and superciliously touting their patriot colors.

Careful review of the past seven years will reveal a President Bush that has been speaking with forked tongue and acting with a mixed direction and once stated purpose when it comes to patriotism and religion.

Bush has silently condoned and cleverly done things that are taking America toward fascism. He has also been a silent supporter, by not taking needed action to circumvent actions by those who have been gradually removing God from America.

I think that there is a warning in Ron Paul's statement to encourage us to awaken and be more wary of the false zealots (an excessively zealous person; fanatic) of Christianity/religion and Patriotism, because they appear on the scene as ravening wolves dressed in sheep's clothing, already to devour us and our country.

We can see from different things that Mike Huckabee has done and said things that indicate he is leaning in this direction, in touting his Christian religion card and the same supercilious patriotism, patriotism that is more word than deed.

Here is one example of his religious card use:
Rolling Stone : Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God

Earlier, I posted links that review the unpatriotic things Mike Huckabee has done to cleverly benefit illegal immigrants in America.

It is well known in the political arena that there is a large Christian voter base in the Republican party, and I believe that Mike Huckabee is really playing his religion card to try and sway that group to accept him as their poster child leader.

As I said at the beginning, I am unaware of anything in the Ron Paul campaign that is anti-Christian, anti-Constitution or anti-American. In fact, I find that what he stands for firmly is traditional conservative values, based on the Constitution and the Christian beliefs of our forefathers.

In so writing all of the above, please know that I have not taken up the Ron Paul flag...I am only sharing my observation of him and his campaign.

Bravo · 12-20-2007, 12:28 AM

I think he's right about...here: http://www.insidesocal.com/friendlyfire/chris-lib.png

I hear ya Zen, Dr. Paul says one thing and now he's a nut...makes me wonder who you support as a candidate, as they must be "perfect".

FYI, Ron Pauls statement about Fascism coming to the US wrapped in a cross isn't a new idea...It was actually a quote from Sinclair Lewis: Sinclair Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But what Ron said isn't completely false. Religion, in general, is becoming somewhat of a global issue (well..that isn't true, it has been for 3000 years). If someone wants to come out and say, I'm a Christian...that's fine, but I'm not going to vote for them for that, and it should have absolutely nothing to do with our government.

Zen...explain to me, how that comment entitles that he was bashing Bush, or even Christianity? The constitution states that you have the right to worship who you wish, and that the church should never ever (thank god) be involved with the government.

Zen900 · 12-20-2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bravo

I think he's right about...here: http://www.insidesocal.com/friendlyfire/chris-lib.png
I hear ya Zen, Dr. Paul says one thing and now he's a nut...makes me wonder who you support as a candidate, as they must be "perfect".

Zen...explain to me, how that comment entitles that he was bashing Bush, or even Christianity? The constitution states that you have the right to worship who you wish, and that the church should never ever (thank god) be involved with the government.

As of yet have no republian favorite so I casually read what each says. I can rule out certain candidates but I see no one as better than the rest at this time.

I have already explained his comment so I wont explain it again. As far as chuch and government never involving each other that is nonsense. '"In God We Trust" comes to mind. Try watching the next swearing in of a president on Jan 20, 2009. You will see the new president place his hand on the bible to take the oath of office "so help me God". This is not and never has been a secular country though there are many such as your self who seek that depravity.

troy2000 · 12-20-2007, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zen900

R Paul insinuated that a christian will be the one who brings fascism. "Bearing a cross-wrapped in a flag". This is nothing but straight out the book, nutcase, Bush Hating 101 just like Rosie Odonnel subscribes to. Paul is calling Bush a fascist and taking aswipe at christinity. Is that part of the constitution? The constitution has nothing to do with R Paul or why he's a nut. People like Ross Perot, former Cali governor Jerry Brown and Dennis Kucinich: these three are examples of political fruitcakes who appeal to various libertarian, left and right wing types. Nuts like R Paul span the political spectrum.

What Ron Paul was saying with that quote, in essence, was "beware false prophets." He wasn't knocking genuine Christianity or love of country.

It's been my personal experience that any time someone starts repeatedly dragging religion or patriotism into the conversation, I keep a firm hand on my wallet and watch my nuts. He either wants my money, or he wants to neuter me by taking my rights away from me to protect me...

Bravo · 12-20-2007, 08:38 AM

Quote:

have already explained his comment so I wont explain it again. As far as chuch and government never involving each other that is nonsense. '"In God We Trust" comes to mind. Try watching the next swearing in of a president on Jan 20, 2009. You will see the new president place his hand on the bible to take the oath of office "so help me God". This is not and never has been a secular country though there are many such as your self who seek that depravity.

That's a tradition, it has no literal meaning. Taking the oath of office means that you swear upon the constitution, not a religion.

Also, you can't say that our country was founded upon 1 religion. The founding fathers followed ELEVEN different religions...

cma g21 · 12-20-2007, 09:29 AM

If I could appoint the next President, I would appoint Ron Paul (of those currently running).

Unfortunately, since I don’t get to appoint, the next President must win the election. To do so, a candidate must appeal to a significant portion of urban voters (not necessarily a majority, but at least a large minority).

I just don’t see the self-reliance and significantly smaller government positions of Ron Paul appealing to many urban dwellers, many of whom utterly depend on governmental services (not just welfare, but things like public transportation). Nor do I see many seniors, who vote in large numbers (and many of whom depend on government programs), voting for Dr. Paul.

What I fear will happen, is that Ron Paul will garner enough conservative votes in the primary to assure the nomination of a RINO like Romney, McCain, or Rudy. If that happens, I fear a third party (or write in) candidacy of Ron Paul (or similar candidate) might assure the election of Hillary or Obama.

I hope I’m wrong (but fear I’m not).

12-19-2007, 01:08 AM	#1
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,923	Ron Paul/Glenn Beck Ron did great. Beck was in awe. Maybe even humbled.

12-19-2007, 12:04 PM	#8
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,689	"Going back to the Constitution" will prove to be the most critical and balanced stand a candidate can place them self upon during this upcoming election process! As I'm sure you well know, without the constitution being valiantly promoted and carefully adhered to we and our country are sunk. Also, I firmly believe that mainstream media has really lost it's credibility, because it has lost its focus as it has been bought out and manipulated by corporate and other special interests. ___________________________ As I look at the good information coming out in political debates and interviews, I think it is absolutely amazing and patriotic for the candidates to address the real issues, regardless of whether or not they are being politically correct. Thank you Ron Paul for having the internal fortitude and integrity to encourage us toward seeing what's really going on and encouraging us to get involved to make needed changes! As a presidential candidate, Ron Paul is doing a lot toward helping Americans, and politicians in particular, take a closer look at the direction we're heading and the dangers to America and Americans that going in the direction we're headed in leads to. VIDEO: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Complete Interview I hope that more of the presidential candidates, and Americans, will stand up and stand out from the status quo by saying and doing what's best for America and Americans. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown Last edited by LiveToShoot; 12-19-2007 at 01:32 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

12-19-2007, 04:05 PM	#10
ruger22com Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mobile Alabama Posts: 727	Ron paul is the best presidential candidate who stands a chance of winning, that we have had since george wallace. Both believe in the same thing...limited government control and zero personal taxation. The ONLY reason the IRS exists today is to provide jobs for IRS workers and government officials (Yes..hard as it is to believe...the IRS costs MORE to operate than it bring in through income taxes.) The cost of the government is paid for by tarriffs and hidden taxes, not income taxes. Paul is the ONLY candidate who wants to shut down the IRS and end this drain on tax payers (you and me), while all the other candidates want the IRS to continue, or replace it with an even higher flat tax. __________________ www.CheapGunParts.com http://ruger22.com/art/banners/tiny.gif Home of the "YELLOW JACKET" Bolt Buffer and Takedown Bolts! Free Shipping & Lifetime Warranty!

12-20-2007, 12:25 AM	#15
LiveToShoot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northwest USA Posts: 2,689	I know of nothing from what I've read or heard from Ron Paul's campaign that could be considered anti-Christian, anti-constitutional or anti-American. Just the opposite in each case. Ron Paul is somewhat unique in this presidential campaign, as others have been in other campaigns who have stood against the status quo. He does have some strong and clear political views, that do reach outside of the general political discussion groups of the mainstream media populace. In so saying, I believe we're seeing that Ron Paul is opening up dialog across the nation about serious topics that are on people's minds, but have been unspoken by other politicians and little is mentioned through mainstream media. This is supported by how Ron Paul's campaign contributions of late have shown a broad contributor base across the nation, from those who agree with and what to hear more about the topics he's addressing. My impression of Ron Paul's remark "fascism will come bearing a cross wrapped in the flag" seems to be a statement he made that reflects how he has seen President Bush and his contemporaries appear on the political scene overbearingly waving their Christian religion card and superciliously touting their patriot colors. Careful review of the past seven years will reveal a President Bush that has been speaking with forked tongue and acting with a mixed direction and once stated purpose when it comes to patriotism and religion. Bush has silently condoned and cleverly done things that are taking America toward fascism. He has also been a silent supporter, by not taking needed action to circumvent actions by those who have been gradually removing God from America. I think that there is a warning in Ron Paul's statement to encourage us to awaken and be more wary of the false zealots (an excessively zealous person; fanatic) of Christianity/religion and Patriotism, because they appear on the scene as ravening wolves dressed in sheep's clothing, already to devour us and our country. We can see from different things that Mike Huckabee has done and said things that indicate he is leaning in this direction, in touting his Christian religion card and the same supercilious patriotism, patriotism that is more word than deed. Here is one example of his religious card use: Rolling Stone : Mike Huckabee’s Phone Call From God Earlier, I posted links that review the unpatriotic things Mike Huckabee has done to cleverly benefit illegal immigrants in America. It is well known in the political arena that there is a large Christian voter base in the Republican party, and I believe that Mike Huckabee is really playing his religion card to try and sway that group to accept him as their poster child leader. As I said at the beginning, I am unaware of anything in the Ron Paul campaign that is anti-Christian, anti-Constitution or anti-American. In fact, I find that what he stands for firmly is traditional conservative values, based on the Constitution and the Christian beliefs of our forefathers. In so writing all of the above, please know that I have not taken up the Ron Paul flag...I am only sharing my observation of him and his campaign. __________________ "Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it." -Unknown

12-20-2007, 12:28 AM	#16
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,022	I think he's right about...here: http://www.insidesocal.com/friendlyfire/chris-lib.png I hear ya Zen, Dr. Paul says one thing and now he's a nut...makes me wonder who you support as a candidate, as they must be "perfect". FYI, Ron Pauls statement about Fascism coming to the US wrapped in a cross isn't a new idea...It was actually a quote from Sinclair Lewis: Sinclair Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia But what Ron said isn't completely false. Religion, in general, is becoming somewhat of a global issue (well..that isn't true, it has been for 3000 years). If someone wants to come out and say, I'm a Christian...that's fine, but I'm not going to vote for them for that, and it should have absolutely nothing to do with our government. Zen...explain to me, how that comment entitles that he was bashing Bush, or even Christianity? The constitution states that you have the right to worship who you wish, and that the church should never ever (thank god) be involved with the government. Last edited by Bravo; 12-20-2007 at 12:30 AM.

12-19-2007, 02:38 AM	#2
Zen900 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 722	Ron Paul: "When Fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag carrying a cross". Zen900 replies: Fascism is already showing its face right now and neither of those two religions uses the cross. Ron Paul is a nut. Somebody needs to slap his face. He is nothing but Ross Perot part II.

12-19-2007, 08:15 AM	#4
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,016	Troy, I agree that there are many people and organizations who want to take over our Country, our Rights, and even our lives in the name of patriotism or religion. I am happy with my God and believe you have the right to be happy with yours as long as you don't try to force others to believe in yours. As for our Country and Rights, I feel that Ron Paul is our best choice for them to be safe. Zen, I don't understand how you can feel that way but you are entitled to your choice as long as you don't try to force it on me. Rights like freedom of speech is one of the things that make our Country great.

12-19-2007, 09:19 AM	#5
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,666	Well since Fascism is neither patriotic or Christian, I would suspect the quote is meant to suggest that Fascism will disguise itself as patriotic and Christian in an attempt to fool patriots and Christians into supporting it's cause. As patriots and Christians (me and some others here), we need to be able to recognize the difference and be on guard against Fascism. I believe that would be the message he is trying to convey. I personally like Ron, but I don't think he stands a chance.

12-19-2007, 11:59 AM	#7
Deersniper Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,923	Just be cause the media says it's so don't make it so. I think he had good points and going back to the Constitution can't be bad for us, that's what made this country great. Name calling is what the others do, but not truly informed souls.

12-19-2007, 03:07 PM	#9
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,022	Ron Paul did an amazing job answering every question thrown at him. I've never seen Beck agree with someone so much, and give so much time to answer questions. Ron Paul seems to have all the right answers, because he follows the constitution. Anyone that disagrees with him on a large scale is almost unpatriotic...yeah, I said it. Zen900, you're taking his quote out of context, and your response both doesn't make sense and is unnecessary. If you mean that he is like Ross Perot in that he believes in what our founding fathers wanted, then ok. But Ron Paul has created a following and a revolution that nobody could have predicted. He is raising millions of dollars from the American people, and competing with the special interest groups at the same time. And even after all of this, he remains to get little to no Mainstream Media time (even though networks like that often present worthless biased opinions). Hopefully Glenn Beck is the first of many TV appearances that he gets and rightfully deserves.

12-19-2007, 04:08 PM	#11
Windwalker Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,016	Our Country is in dire need of politicians to stand up and support and defend the Constitution. Ron Paul is doing this and to an extent so is Mike Huckabee. This is the greatest Country on earth and our Constitution and our American citizens are what makes it so. Vote for the person you feel will best support our great country, even if you think they won't get elected. You might be supprised. Vote your consience for the good of America.

12-19-2007, 08:22 PM	#12
Bravo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Maine, USA Posts: 2,022	Good point Windwalker. I told my grandmother that I am going to vote for Ron Paul, and she said, "But you're going to be wasting your vote." Wasting your vote is sitting at home and doing nothing about it. I think people are going to be surprised how many votes Ron Paul really gets.

12-19-2007, 09:23 PM	#13
SilverRun Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: AL Posts: 1,666	Well, as I said, I like Ron Paul. I still don't think he stands a shot at winning the nomination. But, you guys tilted me over the edge - I may waste it, but he will get my vote in the AL Republican primary. I guess support has to start somewhere. His supporters had a table set up at the local gun show earlier in the month. They seemed to be gathering a lot of support and attention. No other candidates had supporters there. Maybe I just missed Hillary's table!

12-20-2007, 09:29 AM	#20
cma g21 Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 63	If I could appoint the next President, I would appoint Ron Paul (of those currently running). Unfortunately, since I don’t get to appoint, the next President must win the election. To do so, a candidate must appeal to a significant portion of urban voters (not necessarily a majority, but at least a large minority). I just don’t see the self-reliance and significantly smaller government positions of Ron Paul appealing to many urban dwellers, many of whom utterly depend on governmental services (not just welfare, but things like public transportation). Nor do I see many seniors, who vote in large numbers (and many of whom depend on government programs), voting for Dr. Paul. What I fear will happen, is that Ron Paul will garner enough conservative votes in the primary to assure the nomination of a RINO like Romney, McCain, or Rudy. If that happens, I fear a third party (or write in) candidacy of Ron Paul (or similar candidate) might assure the election of Hillary or Obama. I hope I’m wrong (but fear I’m not).