so many - such wrong ideas

[C. Richard]

It was Jesus who started the whole thing, about freedom and individual rights. That's why guys like Hitler and Stalin, and all your other take-over types, can't allow Christianity.
Scares me about liberal Dems! They dream of a one party gov't. Them!
They can never do it, though, without disarming us. All we have between us and them, IS Cristianity and our fierce patriotism.
This election is crucial. Third-party farting around will elect Dems. Remember? Hope it doesn't happen.

[billy]

as an atheist i cannot agree with you.

[Windwalker]

I believe that this election is going to be crucial to our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment. Vote freedom first, protect our Constitution and Bill of Rights. There are a few good candidates out there. My choice is Ron Paul! Some others are Fred Thompson and Mike Huckabee. Vote the candidate of your choice but be sure and get out and VOTE, both in the primary and general elections.

[Cyrille]

I am not an atheist, but I do not accept organized religions, as to my way of thinking they are each out for themselves. I don't intend to start a religious arguement here and will not reply to any questions or comments posted in this vein.
I beleive Jesus was/is a historical figure and that he preached what he beleived to be the truth. I try to live by what he preached according to my own lights. I also beleive that those in power at the time saw him as a rabble-rouser and possible revolutionary dangerous to the established rule and for their own political safety and/or ends decided to elimanate him as a threat. What happened as a result of that action by the arthorties is a whole other ball game that I have no intention of broaching.

[nathangdad]

You may think atheist sitting in a warm home
posting to this website but will you think atheist
if you get a terminal diagnosis at some point down the road? Will you think atheist in an emergency room between screams of pain?

Christ is my savior and I am glad of it.

[rasterman77]

An atheist thinks of his/her life, loves, and family while in times of distress, the worries about what is going to happen to him or her after death are not there!
The atheists I know, worry about making life good/decent for others and themselves and not expecting something else to give it to them or help them.
Religious people are also great people but no need to knock atheists.
Cyrille made some valid points, interesting that Jesus was a rebel who promoted change (even in his father, to forgive us ever fallable humans) but most religious factions resist change entirely. Remember one of the only times Jesus ever expressed his rage was at people not respecting his fathers house.. using the church as a market Matthew 21:12. That has more than one meaning, don't use a worship of God to profit economically or politically; worship is personal and is in your soul not your lips.
We all need to believe in whatever makes us good people and it is not necessarily the same thing for everyone.
That's my two cents.

[Zen900]

Do atheists have Boy Scouts and Sunday afternoon pic nics? Do atheists get together in groups and make sure all their elderly atheist members get regular visitors and help? Do atheist allow AA meetings on their club property? Can atheists claim any program that has any where near the success of the 12 step program? Do atheists make sure the sick and dying get visitors and guidance in the hospital every day? There is a ton of things good about religion. Churches are really the only place citizens can gather in a non taxable area and assemble as free people. The government gets no cut out of church funds or property. Chuches are the only places left where government can't come take away everything the people own.

[two-70]

No comments, I am a beliver in Jesus Christ the son of man, and i wont be a judge of anyone, to each his own , the Bible says it all for me

[rasterman77]

Yes, yes, yes, and yes, of course by different names. I've gone to church 3 times a week (twice on Sunday) most of my life and by no means does it have the right to look down on non church goers or non-beleivers. PRIDE is a sin!!!! Judgement of others (other than by God) is a sin!! (judge not,lest ye be judged)
Don't embaress followers of Jesus by being religious.
Oh, Zen is a budhist beleif that de-emphasizes the study of religious texts and believes in learning by ones own experiences!
Just seen what two-70 wrote, wish I was that humble.

[billy]

Originally Posted by Zen900

Do atheists have Boy Scouts and Sunday afternoon pic nics? Do atheists get together in groups and make sure all their elderly atheist members get regular visitors and help? Do atheist allow AA meetings on their club property? Can atheists claim any program that has any where near the success of the 12 step program? Do atheists make sure the sick and dying get visitors and guidance in the hospital every day? There is a ton of things good about religion. Churches are really the only place citizens can gather in a non taxable area and assemble as free people. The government gets no cut out of church funds or property. Chuches are the only places left where government can't come take away everything the people own.

when was the last time an atheist knocked on your door and tried to force feed you his or her beliefs?

live and let live

[rasterman77]

let's look at it a way this forum was created for.. how does this effect firearms? I live in Canada, our politics have not effected our hunting ever, gun registry is now a policy... big deal. We do not have religious talk in politics, I don't understand why this should matter, a free country allows us to believe whatever we want, even if it is nothing.
Freedom to speak,
Freedom to hunt or any other type of self preservation
Freedom of worship or the lack of,
These are merits for political discusion, not whether someone is religious.

[billy]

rasterman,
i like you!

[Seabeescotty]

I like ALL of you. Having a civilized discussion, without name-calling, finger-pointing, or hypocracy is what it's all about! You don't have to go to my church, or follow my beliefs, in order to help preserve our freedom. Civility amongst ourselves, and working toward a common goal is all we need. I'm not going to preach religion, or any other belief, other than preserving our Constitution and Bill of Rights. We all have the right to have our own thoughts and beliefs, so long as we keep them crazy one world, no-gun folks at bay. I respect your beliefs, please respect mine. Nuff Said??

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by C. Richard

It was Jesus who started the whole thing, about freedom and individual rights. That's why guys like Hitler and Stalin, and all your other take-over types, can't allow Christianity.
Scares me about liberal Dems! They dream of a one party gov't. Them!
They can never do it, though, without disarming us. All we have between us and them, IS Cristianity and our fierce patriotism.
This election is crucial. Third-party farting around will elect Dems. Remember? Hope it doesn't happen.

I guess there are really people out there who think Jesus is a Republican. Personally, I never heard anything about it being an elephant He rode into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, but I'm no religious scholar. What do I know?

On the other hand, seems to me a whole lot of the hate and discontent in the world is stirred up by people who claim anyone who disagrees with them hates God...

[bigbuddy21]

hey guys, we have to get past all this bickering amongst ourselves. the real enemy is the gun grabbing politicitions. we have to unite together to fight this common enemy. whether it be r. paul, rudy,fred,mitt,huckabe, whoever your chose is get out and VOTE.because they wont have any problem getting out there voters!!!!

[Seabeescotty]

I do believe we're onthe same page!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's stay there. Them other folks would like nothing more than to see us go down bickering amongst ourselves. It sure would make it easy for them, And they'd have a good laugh as they tell us to hand our firearms over or go to jail.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by bigbuddy21

hey guys, we have to get past all this bickering amongst ourselves. the real enemy is the gun grabbing politicitions. we have to unite together to fight this common enemy. whether it be r. paul, rudy,fred,mitt,huckabe, whoever your chose is get out and VOTE.because they wont have any problem getting out there voters!!!!

We'll get around to uniting as soon as we're done clubbing each other, bb.

That's how real democracy works. It takes a while to thrash things out, and it ain't pretty to watch, but the results are usually a little better than what you get if everyone swings into lockstep too early...

[rasterman77]

Words of wisdom Troy but if we waited till all the bickerin' was over and the kinks were worked out the election may be over... and our short lives too.
If I could I would come down and give ya one more vote but our Celery soup campaigns and vanilla politicians(bland, not white LOL) here in Canada will have to keep me happy.
Seriously I think us Canadians watch/read/listen to more american politics than our own, it's more like a good drama movie, our politics are more like a boring documentary.

[Bravo]

I grew up Christian, but as I was able to think more for myself, I find myself leaning more towards Atheist. I believe that the bible sets good general morals to live a life by, and like Cyrille, I believe that Jesus was a real living person that had a huge impact on people, like a Gandhi type person. I believe that there is a god, a creator that began the expansion of this amazing universe, but that's about as deep as my faith goes.

I feel that our county has big issues right now, much bigger than faith. This is why whenever a candidate brings up their religion, such as Huckabee or Romney, I am seriously turned off. I could honestly care less what or who someone worships. It really doesn't matter. While religion does influence some good (charity, peace), it also influences a huge amount of evil (see the 2000+ year war in the middle east that we decided to step into).

We truly need a candidate that is focused on getting our country on the right path, and someone who can stray away from religion as much as possible. Religion and Governments shouldn't mix. It doesn't work. When people argue about each others core beliefs, bad things happen.

Anyway, Ron Paul has said from day one that it doesn't matter what you're religion is, but it shouldn't be in a campaign. I like Ron Paul. I'll leave it at that.

[rasterman77]

Bravo, I think this type of perspective wisdom could change the way people view gun and hunting enthusiasts, at least among those who think of us as rednecks.