Hillary wants to be dictator?

[Wingwiper]

You are all correct when you say that in order to ADD an Amendment , the Bill would have to be introduced and passed by Majority and then sent to each and every state and 75% of the states would have to pass the Bill by Majority before it could be logged in as an Amendment.

The Assault Weapon Ban did NOT go thru this Process, nor did the Brady Bill, nor did the idea of Ballistic finger printing. The Senate can make laws that stay within GRAY Areas of the Amendments and we saw this with the AWB. Your FIREARMS are NOT protected because you have heard the Democrats many times explain to you that the Second Amendment meant only the MILTIA and not the COMMON MAN have a right to BEAR ARMS. They could EASILY use this interpretation and pass laws that would make your heads spin.
DO NOT for a minute think that the ONLY change has to be a CONSTITUTIONAL change. Seat Belt Laws side step the FREEDOM OF CHOICE, not being allowed to say Ni-ger, sidesteps FREEDOM of SPEECH, (the example was extreme as this is not allowed but under the same Freedom people can piss on my flag), It is all in the WORDING and the INTERPRETATION of the What the words mean that may DISARM you.
The Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY have supported ALL Gun Control Measures that were ever brought up. Do I hate Democrats? NO! But I will not stand with them as long as they have that as part of their records. Ted Kennedy is probably without doubt the BIGGEST Instigator, Mass use to have a sign at their Border near their WELCOME TO MASS sign, that said "Mandatory ONE year jail sentence for possession of any firearms" Mass is a VERY DEMOCRAT STATE.

Troy2k

I think you are referring to me as a conspiracy buff. My reply to you is simply, you can be whatever you what to be and think whatever you want to think. You may even ignore what has been published and documented as Right WING conspiracy theories against the Clintons. Hopefully you are NOT referring to me, because I would appreciate the same respect as you so demand. I have offered references to everything I have said about the Clintons and there are 1000s more where I got them and I only picked a few. I would say that if you are referring to me, after I have supported everything I have said with reference, then you are in a state of denial about the Clintons. I said it before and I will say it again. I NEVER accused the Clintons of Murder, I did say that I found it very odd that over 44 people who were associated with the Clintons or ready to testify against them, showed up DEAD at critical times. If you have a better explanation other than COINCEDENCE, I am ready to listen to it, but don't tell me you aren't willing to not talk about it either, that would be a "cop out", after implying that anybody who presents an argument against the Clintons are Conspiracy Buffs. The Clintons are BAD people and there is tons of documentations to prove it, remember too, HE was IMPEACHED and by a BIPARTISAN BOARD. She may not want to admit it, but she SLEPT with him for years. BIRDS OF A FEATHER, FLOCK TOGETHER.
I am not a buff, I take my politics very seriously and have for many many years. Many a scumbag has runned for office and some were caught and stopped before they were elected, others made it and others got re-elected. Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, and many more. We all can think of several but ONLY some would DEFEND the Clintons and they do so, as they shun any trace of truth or any trace of an attack against their wall of belief that Good Looking men must be good. B.S.

You live in Calif, why are the Democrats so afraid of having a Proportional Representation Bill get passed in the state?

[rick343]

Who cares weather you pull this thread or not. You remind me of people like Louis Faracon, Jessie Jaclson etc,etc. All you want to do is keep the pot stirred. Your a waste of white.

[Mad Hatter]

I really don't know what Billary wants, nor do I care. They are shady period. Bill was a low life and anyone that has listened to Hillary, and would even condsider voting for that ..I don't know what to say.. except that we are doomed..Who in their right mind would vote for her?

[mym1a]

madhatter you ask who would vote for her or Obama? all of those who want free hand outs and think life is just one big party? I don't have a problem with anyone believing what they want! I just don't think my rights and purse strings should be affected!!!!!

[A-10]

Originally Posted by mym1a

madhatter you ask who would vote for her or Obama? all of those who want free hand outs and think life is just one big party? I don't have a problem with anyone believing what they want! I just don't think my rights and purse strings should be affected!!!!!

amen, brother.

[mym1a]

Its realy quite simple to me look at what she represents and how our society has benefited from it?how has life improved with her last administration???/

I don't believe for a minute that our enemy will become kinder or gentler just because a woman is voted into office!that might work here where many men are hen pecked and extorted through family court!but it appears, at least in the islamic world men can still get married and keep the body parts they were born with!!

[JOEGUN94]

i feel that if hillary and obama are elected, you will lose the 2nd amendment . what they refuse to believe, no guns do not mean criminals will heed the fact than no is no.
a huge industry is about to vanish!!!!!!!!!!!!

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

You live in Calif, why are the Democrats so afraid of having a Proportional Representation Bill get passed in the state?

That's a simple one. If you allow the small conservative states to continue giving 100 percent of their electoral votes to the Republicans, but require a state the size of California to split its electoral votes according to the number of voters for each party, you're guaranteeing a Republican victory in every election from now on. Is that really hard to understand?

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Make EVERY state split up its electoral votes the same way, or none at all.

And you're right; I was specifically referring to you when I talked about conspiracy buffs. That list of "suspicious" deaths you keep going on about even includes the three feds who were killed at Waco. And it lists a 69 year old convenience store clerk who lived and died in Maybelle Texas as "a CIA accountant with information on the Barry Seal case." How can you expect me to take you seriously, when you repeatedly bring up such paranoid nonsense?

[mym1a]

as for our gun rights keep your eye on the supremes, how they rule will detremine what the politicians do.If we luck out the progressives may have to tolerate guns as much as they tolerate white christian males!

[toolman]

Originally Posted by rick343

Who cares weather you pull this thread or not. You remind me of people like Louis Faracon, Jessie Jaclson etc,etc. All you want to do is keep the pot stirred. Your a waste of white.

You might want to become a bit more familiar with the players on this forum before you start talking trash. T2K is a longtime, very intelligent member and is very well respected around here. He ll, I respect him and he and I've had some near knock-down drag-outs over politics before. Just because someone asks a question doesn't mean that they are trying to start trouble. On the other hand, talking trash and name-calling is a sure sign of a trouble-maker.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by JOEGUN94

i feel that if hillary and obama are elected, you will lose the 2nd amendment . what they refuse to believe, no guns do not mean criminals will heed the fact than no is no.
a huge industry is about to vanish!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think they truely believe that society would be safer if there were no guns!, just safer if they were the only ones with them!

[mdj696]

Wingwiper, youv'e really done your homework. May I add my tid bit on Hillary. One needs to read the book, Hell To Pay by Barbara Olson on the true Hillary. By te way, she died on the plane that hit the Pentagon on 9-11. Maybe just coincidence.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

That's a simple one. If you allow the small conservative states to continue giving 100 percent of their electoral votes to the Republicans, but require a state the size of California to split its electoral votes according to the number of voters for each party, you're guaranteeing a Republican victory in every election from now on. Is that really hard to understand?

Well actually Troy, Calif has 53 Districts with 55 Delegates and currently the Democrats have been taking all even though as reported by Californians, it is a very deverse state and there are a lot of Republican an other Districts that go to the Democrats when the Democrats win the larger Districts.

Small conservative States?? what?? There are small Democratic States too, want to share?? It doesn't really make a big difference in the 2 delegate and 3 delegate states it makes a difference in the states that have more than 4 delegates. It is really up to the states and Calif couldn't have the new law in effect by the Feb Primary but it will be in effect for the June Election.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Make EVERY state split up its electoral votes the same way, or none at all.

3 states currently do split up and more on the way.

And you're right; I was specifically referring to you when I talked about conspiracy buffs. That list of "suspicious" deaths you keep going on about even includes the three feds who were killed at Waco. And it lists a 69 year old convenience store clerk who lived and died in Maybelle Texas as "a CIA accountant with information on the Barry Seal case." How can you expect me to take you seriously, when you repeatedly bring up such paranoid nonsense?

Maybe it is nonesense, and maybe it isn't, same questions for 45 years with the Warren Commission on JFK's Death.
The attached paragraph seems to cast doubt and unless you have another report that will clear the muddy water that is explained in the below paragraph, it is SUSPICIOUS. Then again, I am sure that everything that has been written about Clinton is ONLY Right Wing Conspiracies and whatever has been written about Bush is truth, am I correct in assuming this?
Below are just TWO sites that LISTS the names and causes. If they are so untrue, where are the Lawsuits for deflamation of character? Don't give me Urban Legends as the source to disclaim this either. they have never spent a penny to investigate one way or the other and have only an opinion. Linda merely does research and points stuff out, I never accused Bill of killing anyone, Directly. No one can read the list and not wonder that it goes a tad beyond Concindence. It actually seems rather convienent when you talk about Jim McDougal who was hours from spilling his guts out about Bill and Hillary's involvement. Or Ron Brown who may have been a little uncomfortable with the Chinese crap. Or Vince Foster, good ole Vince.. When you speak of a man who re defines IS and can't remember Jack Poop and yet writes memoirs and whose timing of bombing countries is way beyond the odds of chance, well I for one, do NOT TRUST the Clintons at all. When you get one Clinton, you get them BOTH.

CLINTON BODY COUNT


The Clinton Body Count
Steve Willis- Clinton bodyguard Robert Williams- Clinton bodyguard
Conway LeBleu- Clinton bodyguard
Todd McKeehan- Clinton bodyguard
Died: 2/28/93 - "executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. (I thought Mr. Clinton's hometown was Hope, Arkansas?) Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, "WACO II, the Big Lie Continues," Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, at least two shots were fired into the room by an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician."


If you all want to protect the Constitution and the each Amendment, keep Hillary OUT.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Well actually Troy, Calif has 53 Districts with 55 Delegates and currently the Democrats have been taking all even though as reported by Californians, it is a very deverse state and there are a lot of Republican an other Districts that go to the Democrats when the Democrats win the larger Districts.
Small conservative States?? what?? There are small Democratic States too, want to share?? It doesn't really make a big difference in the 2 delegate and 3 delegate states it makes a difference in the states that have more than 4 delegates. It is really up to the states and Calif couldn't have the new law in effect by the Feb Primary but it will be in effect for the June Election.
3 states currently do split up and more on the way.
Maybe it is nonesense, and maybe it isn't, same questions for 45 years with the Warren Commission on JFK's Death.
The attached paragraph seems to cast doubt and unless you have another report that will clear the muddy water that is explained in the below paragraph, it is SUSPICIOUS. Then again, I am sure that everything that has been written about Clinton is ONLY Right Wing Conspiracies and whatever has been written about Bush is truth, am I correct in assuming this?
Below are just TWO sites that LISTS the names and causes. If they are so untrue, where are the Lawsuits for deflamation of character? Don't give me Urban Legends as the source to disclaim this either. they have never spent a penny to investigate one way or the other and have only an opinion. Linda merely does research and points stuff out, I never accused Bill of killing anyone, Directly. No one can read the list and not wonder that it goes a tad beyond Concindence. It actually seems rather convienent when you talk about Jim McDougal who was hours from spilling his guts out about Bill and Hillary's involvement. Or Ron Brown who may have been a little uncomfortable with the Chinese crap. Or Vince Foster, good ole Vince.. When you speak of a man who re defines IS and can't remember Jack Poop and yet writes memoirs and whose timing of bombing countries is way beyond the odds of chance, well I for one, do NOT TRUST the Clintons at all. When you get one Clinton, you get them BOTH.
CLINTON BODY COUNT
The Clinton Body Count
Steve Willis- Clinton bodyguard Robert Williams- Clinton bodyguard
Conway LeBleu- Clinton bodyguard
Todd McKeehan- Clinton bodyguard
Died: 2/28/93 - "executed" by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. - All four were examined by a "private doctor" and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: "My prayers and I'm sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO -- Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. (I thought Mr. Clinton's hometown was Hope, Arkansas?) Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election." However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, "WACO II, the Big Lie Continues," Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, at least two shots were fired into the room by an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. All four were treated by a "private physician."
If you all want to protect the Constitution and the each Amendment, keep Hillary OUT.

Wingwiper, please. You're using Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation as your source to prove that Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation was telling the truth. How does that work?

Vince Foster's death was investigated by Kenneth Starr, and ruled a suicide by him. You remember Kenneth Starr? Think he would have helped cover up a murder, instead of trying to pin it on the Clintons?

And your comment that "Linda merely does research and points stuff out," is one of the funniest lines you've ever come up with. Linda Thompson quit her job as a lawyer a year after college, to start a for-profit company (not non-profit research foundation) she named The American Justice Foundation. She founded it as a money-making business, not as a public service. And thanks to people like you, she's done rather well with it.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Wingwiper, please. You're using Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation as a reference to prove that Linda Thompson of the American Justice Federation was telling the truth when she compiled that list. How does that work?

Vince Foster's death was investigated by Kenneth Starr, and ruled a suicide by him. You remember Kenneth Starr? Think he would have helped cover up a murder, instead of trying to pin it on the Clintons?

And your comment that "Linda merely does research and points stuff out," is one of the funniest lines you've ever come up with. Linda Thompson quit her job as a lawyer a year after college, to start a for-profit company (not non-profit research foundation) she named The American Justice Foundation. She founded it as a money-making business, not as a public service. And thanks to people like you, she's done rather well with it.

troy
You went to Urban Legends and you are using their information word for word.
It doesn't matter if she was one year out of college or ten years out of college. It doesn't matter if she was for profit or not for profit, what is in question is what she wrote. Do you have ANY sources other than Urban Legends to disclaim anything she has written?? you make it sound like those are your only premises to call her a liar...Interesting.
Link one will give you a list as well and I didn't compare lists, but it is published by a different group and not a single, Lawyer. Did you go to that one or did you find that trying to discredit Linda was all that was needed to prove that it is all just a conspiracy?
You can google each person one at time and check dates and check info. The lit is real, the people really died on those dates. No doubt some are just that, coincendence. But seriously troy what would the chances be that 4 out of how many AGENTS killed at WACO happen to be Clinton Body guards? what are the odds. I mean Washington D.C. and Waco, Texas. I would think your chances to win the Powerball would be greater.

Ken Starr said it was a Suicide??? Was he at the Autopsy? Did he perform the autopsy? Did he investigate the scene? Or did he merely review the reports? I think you will find that Vince Foster was dead for many years before Ken Starr was even assigned to investigate Clinton and Whitewater.

Troy, I have kept the discussion Civil and with respect. Please do not refer to me as some BUFF and I will keep the respect towards you as well. I didn't hatch from an egg in the last 24 hours. You may not like Rush, Ollie, Libby, or any other RIGHT Talk show Host but whether you like them or now, that is all they do is talk to people who had contacts, who had info, who had sources etc etc. After years of doing it, they have become probably the most informed. No doubt they may spill out some garbage, but most definitely most of what they spill is FACTS.

[troy2000]

Wingwipe, I'm using snopes because it's a convenient reference, not because it's the only place I ever heard the truth. The orignal list was debunked thoroughly when it first came out, back when it only had something like 32 names on it. It's only gotten more ridiculous over the years, as other lunatics and axegrinders added to it and/or made their own versions.

You don't believe Kenneth Starr because he "wasn't at the autopsy?: Linda Thompson wasn't at the autopsies of any of those forty four people either, but you swallow everything she says without even blinking.

There have been three official investigations into Foster's death, all of which concluded that he committed suicide. The first was by the United States Park Police in 1993, in whose jurisdiction the original investigation fell. Due to Foster's position in the White House, the Federal Bureau of Investigation assisted in the investigation.

Investigations by a coroner and Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, in a 58-page report released in 1994, also concluded that Foster had committed suicide.

Conspiracy theories of a cover-up still persisted. After a three-year investigation, Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr released a report in 1997, also concluding that the death was a suicide.

In addition, two investigations by the U.S. Congress also found that Foster committed suicide.

This thread is a perfect example of how talking to people who believe in the Clinton Body Count does about as much good as talking to a cult member. When it comes to Foster's death, I believe the Parks Police, the FBI, a coroner, two independent counsels, and two congressional investigations. You believe Linda Thompson (a woman who makes a very good living bashing the Clintons), and accuse ME of being closed-minded.

[ArkansasHunter]

Any body want a Coke ?

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Wingwipe, I'm using snopes because it's a convenient reference, not because it's the only place I ever heard the truth. The orignal list was debunked thoroughly when it first came out, back when it only had something like 32 names on it. It's only gotten more ridiculous over the years, as other lunatics and axegrinders added to it and/or made their own versions..

Snopes, Urban Legends or whatever, neither has spent time or money INVESTIGATING only offering an opinion.
If the Original list was debunked, then finding CONFIRMATION of this should be easy.. I'll Await a post of confirmation.
It has gotten ridiculous? Lunatics and axgrinders?? How has a lst gotten Ridiculous? Are these people dead? did they NOt die on the said dates? were they NOT what the list said they were? What is ridiculous about the list? Are you saying it is ridiculous there should be any implications at all?
Lunatics and axgrinders? How so? Linda was a Lawyer and I am sure she knew how to Investigate and search.. I think she learned that part ok. Other sources offer simiuliar lists and have NEVER pointed a finger but merely offer the question " Isn't it odd that.....?" I tend to agree, I find it very odd and the one I followed very closely and I gave links from PBS and FRONTLINE as reference andnot a Freshly graduated Lawyer, was Jim McDougal and his death as well as Ron Browns. PBS did some very expensive and very intense investigating on both and there was a lot of UNANSWERED questions about WHY? So lunatics and ax grinders? I hhardly think so. The FBI was even involved, so there had to be some motivation there..

You don't believe Kenneth Starr because he "wasn't at the autopsy?: Linda Thompson wasn't at the autopsies of any of those forty four people either, but you swallow everything she says without even blinking.

There have been three official investigations into Foster's death, all of which concluded that he committed suicide. The first was by the United States Park Police in 1993, in whose jurisdiction the original investigation fell. Due to Foster's position in the White House, the Federal Bureau of Investigation assisted in the investigation.

Investigations by a coroner and Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, in a 58-page report released in 1994, also concluded that Foster had committed suicide.

Conspiracy theories of a cover-up still persisted. After a three-year investigation, Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr released a report in 1997 also concluding that the death was a suicide.

In addition, two investigations by the U.S. Congress also found that Foster committed suicide.

Now, let me get this straight: the United States Parks Police and the FBI in 1993, Independent Counsel Fiske and a coroner in 1994, Kenneth Starr in 1997, and two Congressional investigations were all either totally incompetent or part of a cover-up. But some woman who makes her living trashing the Clintons on videotapes, and selling those tapes to people like you, you'll believe wholeheartedly. Okayyyyy....

You got it right.. I don't beleive Ken Starr because he wasn't at the Autopsy and Linda only brings up questions, she isn't trying to prove anything.
Troy, there has been unanswered questions about JFK. One AUTOPSY report shows a wound to the FRONT of the head and an EXIT out the rear and states that he was placed in a Sheet and box and sent from Dallas to Bethesda Md. The report in Md states he was removed from a body bag and and the Auposy photos show a whole different wound. Who is right and who is wrong? All we can do as citizens who are fed info from multi directions is asked the questions. NO! I do not beleive that anyone who looks at a report 4 years later can verify as much as the Conorner can at the time of the Autposy. NEVER unless DNA is the question, which in this case wasn't. I also don't beleive Linda makes a living TRASHING the Clintons, she merely digs up the TRASH that is already there and reveals it, you all have a chocie to do as you wish with it.
People to this day beleive Lee H. Oswald killed Kennedy. Yet there is a CONFIRMED report that just minutes prior to the first shot, Lee was seen by a Police officer on the ground floor putting coins in a Coke Machine. They ran tests and found it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to get the Coke, get upstairs and get in to position and fire the first shot in the remaining time. Yet! it is beleived that it was LEE. There has been EXCELLENT info on the multi shooter theory and PBS did a 4 part Special with NEW release 16mm film, new Computer technology to analize the evidence and even a lady who was wounded fro a piece of Cement curb that only could have been struck from the Grasy Knoll and it was discovered the curb was replaced before the NEXT morning. How can this type of evidence be released? and yet written off as Conspiracy theories? It goes on and on. I went to the Warren Commision Reports at San Diego State in 74 and there were a lot of UNANSWERED questions then. I am too far down on the need to know list to be able to answer the WHYs, but that doesn't stop me from asking the questions.

I think I'm done here. I'm sorry if it offends you that I won't take you seriously, but talking to people who believe in the Clinton Body count is like talking to cult members. Absolutely nothing gets through.

You leave because you think I am saying it was Bill who killed them? I never said that.. I do NOT nor never have belonged to a CULT and that is an INSULT to say the least, that when someone says something that doesn't go along your way of thinking, they have to be a Conspiracy Buff or now a CULT memeber. I take you seriously and that is what scares me.. how can someone know of the questions and never make an attempt to find answers, just brush it off as a conspiracy theory... Well, troy, produce the PROOF that all of this is just that and I wil beleive you, you have yet to produce any counter evidence other than a Snopes and Urban Legends which you quoted word for word as FACT. I am impressed...
The conclusion to al of it is rather simple... THE CLINTONS CAN NOT BE TRUSTED..
Do you beleive that Bill Clinton attended college on a ROTC Contract? do you beleive that he NEVER held his end of the deal and skipped Dodge? but that is ok, right? What about Hillary's finger prints all over the personnel files that she claimed she never saw, during the FBI Investigation. that means she has highest quality of character???? They are BOTH Liars...period.
Just for ONE hour, troy, pretend you are a Republican and do some Googling on Clinton and the Chinese, do some google on Clinton and Whitewater, clinton and the Rose Law Firm, Clinton and conspiracies or clinton and anything you want. just give it an hour and then tell me if I am all wet.
I have been researching the Clintons for many years longer than there has been GOOGLE..

[ezearln]

No COKE! Pepsi! LOL sorry couldn't resist!

[cowboyup1991]

all liberals are a theat to usa they want to change what this country truly s and should be, i personally despise them