Hillary wants to be dictator?

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TXplt

I see.....the "what really happened" website is a much more credible source on potential crash impact dynamics than the investigators. And website quoting a photographer saying "looks like" a bullet hole after an average of 100-150g's of deceleration force in the accident aircraft causing the blunt force trauma deaths couldn't be attributable to the massive impacts within the aircraft and the ground itself.

For what it's worth, our issue pistol in the mid 90's was the M9. This is a 9mm. While most of us wished we had the .45, this wasn't what we were carrying at the time. Best of luck, champ.

Excuse me Sir, I am still serving and have been since 1969. The .45 was still in the System, and I shot with it in competition thru the mid 90s. but who says it had to be military????? Blunt force would make a .45 inch hole? Sorry Champ, I too have been around a bit and you may think it was impact, PROVE IT. The reports merely state there is a a very STRONG reason to believe it is a BULLET hole. This has been stated hundreds of times over the years and the few websites posted are not the only sources of this. The Crash is not as important as who Ron Brown was, what his role was and why there seems to be a bullet hole in his head. SO unless you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is NOT a .45 cal bullet hole, the suspicion stills stands. YES! a photographer did say that but if you read further it said "The pathologists who heard her cry and heeded it would soon enough wish they hadn't." The whatreallyhappen website is very long and very infomative and states what you stated about the ceiling but says much more that you did not say. I would like to know how you think you can prove this weather report wrong? Do you own a copy of a weather report printed from that date and area? Let me ask you, ok! you were in the Air Force, you flew in that area and you CLAIM to know a lot about it what makes you so well informed? were you apart of the investigation? Unless you have a SUPER MEMORY I do not see how you can tell me what the conditions were for that day or any day for that matter, unless you read them and your source would be???
this site actually shows the photos and talks about the hole. Ron Brown Here is a interesting statement from the site "Even if you safely assumed accidental plane crash, when you got something that appears to be a homicide, that should bring everything to a screeching halt," Lt. Col. Steve Cogswell, a doctor and deputy medical examiner with the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology" IT should also signal a DEMAND for an AUTOPSY which in Ron Brown's case there wasn't one. So good luck to you CHAMP....

[TXplt]

And I also can NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that space aliens aren't landing in my back yard, sneaking into my house thru the dryer vent, and stealing some of my socks so they don't match.

But I don't really think this is happening and I doubt my wife would believe me.

Press on to your next theory and believe what you wish.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TXplt

And I also can NOT prove beyond a reasonable doubt that space aliens aren't landing in my back yard, sneaking into my house thru the dryer vent, and stealing some of my socks so they don't match.

But I don't really think this is happening and I doubt my wife would believe me.

Press on to your next theory and believe what you wish.

Do you always talk to people in such an arrogant way? You seem to have a real arrogance about you, you and troy are very much the same. You are all right and everyone else is crazy. SO produce your credentials if you are suppose to be so RIGHT and Almighty.
As far as believing what I wish I fully intend to and with or without you or troys permission, It really doesn't matter to me.. Remember, you had a choice, you could have ignored this thread and my posts and yet you chose to jump in. So have fun with your aliens....

[TXplt]

20 yr AF veteran; retired a little over a year ago. Flew as FAC, Fighters, and Trainers. AORs included middle east (Iraq and Iraq N/S) and Bosnia. Fly commercially (Boeing) now. 6000+ hours.

Think I'm done with the entertainment.

Good luck with your theories.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TXplt

20 yr AF veteran; retired a little over a year ago. Flew as FAC, Fighters, and Trainers. AORs included middle east (Iraq and Iraq N/S) and Bosnia. Fly commercially (Boeing) now. 6000+ hours.

Think I'm done with the entertainment.

Good luck with your theories.

So that makes you the EXPERT on the RON BROWN CASE?

Originally Posted by TXplt

I see.....the "what really happened" website is a much more credible source on potential crash impact dynamics than the investigators. And website quoting a photographer saying "looks like" a bullet hole after an average of 100-150g's of deceleration force in the accident aircraft causing the blunt force trauma deaths couldn't be attributable to the massive impacts within the aircraft and the ground itself."

Well if that was true.. the skull would be a bit flatter and not so round, now wouldn't it??
Respectfully, the simple thought of a possible bullet hole, should have caused an alarm and a protocol for an Autopsy. That is my point.... not what the weather was, nor the ceiling nor the name of the nearest mountain. There should have been and wasn't an autopsy... So my Opinion is as good as anyone else's and I am here only to present reasons why the Clintons are no good and your purpose was to establish aliens are at your house????

Time for me to hit the rack, I don't have a soap box, never had much use for them, so I will bid my farewell.. good night.

[TexasT]

WHY is this thread still going?

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TexasT

WHY is this thread still going?

Why do you come here and ask??
IS that a picture of you running?
Did you win?


TXplt
Troy
The Below Quotes and ifo come from ON THE SCENE Experts. So I will have GOOD company, won't I?.. OH! and TXPLT, he is Air Force.

"Was Ron Brown Assassinated? Experts Differ on Ron Brown's Head Wound
By Christopher Ruddy
FOR THE TRIBUNE-REVIEW
December 3, 1997

A circular hole in the skull of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown could have been a gunshot wound and certainly should have prompted an autopsy, according to an Air Force lieutenant colonel and forensic pathologist who investigated the jet crash in which Brown died.

In [b]several interviews, Cogswell repeatedly referred to the wound as [/B]"an apparent gunshot wound." However, he also said, "Whether it's a bullet or something else, we don't know."

Cogswell, who has approximately 12 years' experience as a forensic pathologist, contends evidence that Ron Brown might have been murdered was ignored. He said the main evidence of possible homicide was a hole found on the vertex, the very top of the skull. "Essentially ... Brown had a .45-inch inwardly beveling circular hole in the top of his head, which is essentially the description of a .45-caliber gunshot wound," Cogswell added.
The wound, which was documented and photographed in a medical examination at Dover, Del., was "as close to a perfectly circular hole as you can get"in the skull, he said. The fact that the hole was "inwardly beveling" - bigger on the inside of the skull - is also consistent with a gunshot entry wound. Cogswell also cited as evidence of a possible gunshot an initial X-ray that suggested small metal fragments inside Brown's head. The pathologist said the fragments could be what pathologists sometimes call a "lead snowstorm" pattern from a disintegrating bullet.

Cogswell has made no secret of his questions about the plane crash and Brown's death. He has laid out the evidence in the case in a slide show he calls "Mistakes and Failures in Forensic Pathology," which he has presented at professional conferences and to FBI agents enrolled in homicide training courses. Cogswell is in charge of training courses at AFIP. Armed Forces Institute of Pathology

The Brown crash figures prominently in Cogswell's slide program, which also details some of the more than 100 military and civilian airplane crash investigations he has been involved with since he joined the Air Force in 1991.

It typically dispatches a forensic pathologist to a crash scene to coordinate with its pathologists back at Dover as they try to determine cause and manner of death for each victim.

This plane crash investigation was different. Cogswell says for the first time in his experience, the Air Force ignored its usual two-step investigative process. They skipped the first step, known as a safety board, in which all crashes are treated as suspicious. During a safety board, investigators try to determine whether the crash was an accident or the result of foul play. Instead, the Air Force immediately began the second phase, an accident investigation, mirroring sentiments of Pentagon and White House officials who implied the crash was nothing more.


Contrary to initial press reports, however, no terrible storm was raging when the jet crashed. As Cogswell's helicopter got close to the site, the wreckage of the plane became apparent. The jet had literally run into the mountain. Apparently, the pilots had been making an instrument approach through dense cloud cover when the mountain's terrain suddenly appeared.

The Air Force later concluded the plane was 10 degrees off course as a result of its pilots using improper navigation aids and ground beacons. Questions about the ground beacons were never fully resolved. According to the Air Force report, within days of the crash the maintenance chief for Dubrovnik's airport, Niko Junik, was found dead by gunshot, an apparent suicide.

Cogswell had a set of pictures showing the bodies as they were found, but investigators failed to draw a "body map" pinpointing the precise location of each corpse.

Investigator measures one of the metal rods protruding from a seat bracket during the search for an explanation of the circular hole in Brown's head.

Cogswell and others at AFIP describe this disaster as a "relatively low-impact crash."

G-forces of deceleration were relatively low.

Upon arriving at the crash site the Monday after it occurred, Cogswell received a call from Gormley, the pathologist who had examined Brown's body and several others at Dover the day before. "I talked to Col. Gormley and he told me there is a .45(-inch) inwardly beveling, perfectly circular hole in the top of (Brown's) head," Cogswell said.

Gormley asked Cogswell, as AFIP man at the scene, to figure out what type of cylindrical object could punch through the skull creating such a wound. Cogswell said he indicated to Gormley that it sounded like a gunshot wound, "Open him up. This man needs an autopsy," Cogswell said he told Gormley.
"This whole thing stinks."

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by TXplt

I see.....the "what really happened" website is a much more credible source on potential crash impact dynamics than the investigators. And website quoting a photographer saying "looks like" a bullet hole after an average of 100-150g's of deceleration force in the accident aircraft causing the blunt force trauma deaths couldn't be attributable to the massive impacts within the aircraft and the ground itself.
For what it's worth, our issue pistol in the mid 90's was the M9. This is a 9mm. While most of us wished we had the .45, this wasn't what we were carrying at the time. Best of luck, champ.

Careful, Txplt. He'll call you a liberal, too. Although I'm not sure why he thinks believing paranoid conspiracy theories is what makes someone a conservative...

[LarryO1970]

Momma always told me if I had nothing nice to say, not to say anything at all. Here, I have to sidestep momma for a minute.

Hillary is ... how do I say it nicely... gonna be more dangerous and worthless in the White House than her husband was. WE ... in the military, have a lot to fear with her in the White House. The general populous has a lot to fear from her... ridiculous tax raises and community training. Read her book "It Takes a Village" for the examples. I read excepts... not the entire book. I had just eaten, and well... didn't want to puke.

I like the fact we are a sovereign nation. My fear is that she will continue to give our country away to the U.N.

I've said my part.

[Beer Forever]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Momma always told me if I had nothing nice to say, not to say anything at all. Here, I have to sidestep momma for a minute.
Hillary is ... how do I say it nicely... gonna be more dangerous and worthless in the White House than her husband was. WE ... in the military, have a lot to fear with her in the White House. The general populous has a lot to fear from her... ridiculous tax raises and community training. Read her book "It Takes a Village" for the examples. I read excepts... not the entire book. I had just eaten, and well... didn't want to puke.
I like the fact we are a sovereign nation. My fear is that she will continue to give our country away to the U.N.
I've said my part.

I hear that. Hillary is not what we need right now. Maybe if we were not in debt, but she is a Socialist and proud to admit it. Anyone who knows politics will tell you after socialism comes Communism. I am not saying she is a Commi, but she is no doubt a socialist. She is all about the Government knowing what is best for the people when we run the show not the government, for the people by the people right? Don't get me started on her view of health care, please.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Careful, Txplt. He'll call you a liberal, too. Although I'm not sure why he thinks believing paranoid conspiracy theories is what makes someone a conservative...

I called you a Liberal because you have RESIDENT ARMED LIBERAL in your AVATAR.
Read my last post it is written by NOT Paranoid conspiracers but by a Patholgists who WAS THERE.
You refuse the facts and constantly label anything that YOU do not go along with as a Conspiracy.
What sources do you gain YOUR info from that is better than what I have produced? Who do you have that could possibly denounce the people who were actually THERE?

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by Beer Forever

I hear that. Hillary is not what we need right now. Maybe if we were not in debt, but she is a Socialist and proud to admit it. Anyone who knows politics will tell you after socialism comes Communism. I am not saying she is a Commi, but she is no doubt a socialist. She is all about the Government knowing what is best for the people when we run the show not the government, for the people by the people right? Don't get me started on her view of health care, please.

Me neither... please, I just ate breakfast !

I'm sure that a lot of Army Rangers would really love to see another Klinton in the W.H. after the G.F. in Somalia.

I'd hate to see another Klinton in the W.H. after the fake promises made to us after the Khobar Towers attack.

etc. .... etc. .... etc. ....

Is Hillary Klinton and Hanoi Jane the same person ?!

[Wingwiper]

As LONG as there are Questions pretaining to her Character and her Motives, she should never be allowed access to the White Hosue again..........

I Hope and Pray that if she does become the Democrat Candidate that it gets DIRTY and that her past is brought up and that questions of her involvement in Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Association with the S&L Land Deals and the McDougals, why so much was given to the Chinese, why she accepted her husband for his affairs. I know she claimed STRONG RELIGOUS BACKGROUND as what enabled her to FORGIVE, but if she was THAT strong in Religous beleifs, I think there is a COMMANDMENT that says "THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTRY"....

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

As LONG as there are Questions pretaining to her Character and her Motives, she should never be allowed access to the White Hosue again..........

I Hope and Pray that if she does become the Democrat Candidate that it gets DIRTY and that her past is brought up and that questions of her involvement in Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Association with the S&L Land Deals and the McDougals, why so much was given to the Chinese, why she accepted her husband for his affairs. I know she claimed STRONG RELIGOUS BACKGROUND as what enabled her to FORGIVE, but if she was THAT strong in Religous beleifs, I think there is a COMMANDMENT that says "THOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTRY"....

... don't forget to mention the fact that Klinton (and her husband) denied taking OBL from Sudan.

... don't forget to mention the fact that Klinton denied Spectre gunship support during Somalia leading to the "Blackhawk Down" event... which directly contributed to the deaths of the Rangers and Delta Force soldiers.

... don't forget to mention the fact that Klinton denied the FBI support in the quest for finding and prosecuting those responsible for the Khobar Towers attack of 25 June 1996... not to mention those within our own State Department.

Realistically... who do they support? It sure as hell isn't the American people or military...
... Good God... where do I stop? Here looks good...

[Windwalker]

Cowboyup 1991, This forum is the friendliest gun forum on the internet. Lighten up a bit, you will get to speak your piece. Just please keep it friendly.

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Careful, Txplt. He'll call you a liberal, too. Although I'm not sure why he thinks believing paranoid conspiracy theories is what makes someone a conservative...

I've been called alot worse than a liberal in my day

Seriously, when one becomes a member of congress or the President, one takes an oath of office. That oath of office is to support and defend the constitution of the United States. That now becomes your primary charge in life--education, health care, medicare, social security, etc., while potentially being important are secondary to this. If issues conflict, your charge to protect and defend needs to prevail. You can't rationalize this away in the name of the problem du jour or take the "come on now" approach. If you don't like what's in the constitution and are a public servant, you have to follow it until it's amended. I know of no gun control measure that ms. Clinton hasn't voted FOR. (one could argue that Obama is in the same category, and, being a constitutional lawyer should know better). The AWB and Brady Law were initiated under their previous tour in the White House. Mr. Clinton was always raving about "getting guns off the street" and blaming guns for all crime problems. In 1987 (in Arizona) we were permitted to keep firearms in our vehicles on base; in 1996 not so much. There's little doubt she's a firearms prohibitionist. Quite simply, I can't see her in any way being a faithful protectorate of our constitution. Just my opinion, of course. Think that's all I've got to say in the matter.

enjoy, and cheers.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by TXplt

I've been called alot worse than a liberal in my day

Seriously, when one becomes a member of congress or the President, one takes an oath of office. That oath of office is to support and defend the constitution of the United States. That now becomes your primary charge in life--education, health care, medicare, social security, etc., while potentially being important are secondary to this. If issues conflict, your charge to protect and defend needs to prevail. You can't rationalize this away in the name of the problem du jour or take the "come on now" approach. If you don't like what's in the constitution and are a public servant, you have to follow it until it's amended. I know of no gun control measure that ms. Clinton hasn't voted FOR. (one could argue that Obama is in the same category, and, being a constitutional lawyer should know better). The AWB and Brady Law were initiated under their previous tour in the White House. Mr. Clinton was always raving about "getting guns off the street" and blaming guns for all crime problems. In 1987 (in Arizona) we were permitted to keep firearms in our vehicles on base; in 1996 not so much. There's little doubt she's a firearms prohibitionist. Quite simply, I can't see her in any way being a faithful protectorate of our constitution. Just my opinion, of course. Think that's all I've got to say in the matter.

enjoy, and cheers.

NOW! that is well written and very well said and right on the money. I agree 200% and there is no debate from me.

[mym1a]

well boys and girls like it or not if Hillary has her way you will not be able to refuse her health care! she would enforce the rule by still deducting the money from your paycheck regardless if you elect to have heath insurance or not! most healthy young adults rarely need to be seen by a doctor so all this money that you would have to pay out would go where? sounds like another tax hike to me??????a young adult may go years /decades with out needing to see a doctor!!!!!!! just my humble observation!!!!

I would like to share with you the BS thats happening in one town here in upstate NY!this year they changed the polling place,use to be at this local school now its at a housing development,very high crime area, to add insult to injury the polls didn't open till 12m and will close at 9m.of all the areas to put a polling place?once it gets dark you think a lot of citizens are going to risk going there? pretty handy don't you think??????? how about those folks who work the evening shift? real handy isn't it???? I think this election cycle is going to be a joke? I think the next president was already determined on some golf course months ago!!!!!

[Wingwiper]

Media should NOT be allowed to report Exit polls or whatever, until the last Voting booth in the last state is CLOSED and if that isn't until Sept, so be it.
You know that UPSTATE NY is anti Hillary it is downstate that want her.. Car pool to the polls and VOTE...

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Media should NOT be allowed to report Exit polls or whatever, until the last Voting booth in the last state is CLOSED and if that isn't until Sept, so be it.
You know that UPSTATE NY is anti Hillary it is downstate that want her.. Car pool to the polls and VOTE...

I didn't vote for her and being most in that area are welfare they know where the golden teat is!!