Hillary wants to be dictator?

[troy2000]

I've heard and read repeatedly that Hillary Clinton is the worst threat we've ever had to freedom in this country; that she wants to take all our rights, destroy our system of government and become dictator, etc.

What's all the hysteria based on? Can someone give me facts and figures and references that explain why she's such a menace?

Politely now, and with proper language, or I'll delete the thread. Please don't just come on and start raving...

And by the way, I'll stipulate she's anti-gun; you don't need to waste time telling me that one. She's living in some sort of fantasy land where, "...the (gun control) law in New York has worked to a great extent."

[Wingwiper]

Well Troy

First and foremost, she is the Greatest Threat to this country. Wives usually think some what like husbands and her husband spoke highly of GLOBILIZATION. Bill evenonce said and I paraphrase here "If there is only going to be ONE Super Power, the rest of the world will always be in fear, what the world needs is several Super Powers to keep each other in check" Then Bill managed to allow the W88 Nuclear Multi-Strike Warhead go to China, he allowed the Technology for the delivery system to go to China and then he sold and refunded the money for 600 SUPER Computers to go to China. While this was going on, a certain Chinese individual WANG, was sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House, Nuclear Secrets were being stolen from Los Alamos by another Chinese Scientist. Now this may not seem like any BIG deal to many, but 8 or 9 years later the Chinese have a MAN in SPACE (LONG Range WEAPON DEVELOPEMENT, A SUCCESS) China then shoots down a Weather satellite and then issues a threat to the U.S. to back away from Taiwan. I don't think Hillary will be any different from Bill.

Hillary had her finger prints all over those 1500 Personnal Files the FBI wanted and yet she denied ever seeing them.. TRUSTWORTHY is not a word for the Clintons.

Then who was right about Whitewater, Susan McDougal who denied the Clintons involvement or Jim McDougal who was screwed by the Clintons and was willing to spill the beans when he unsuspectedly died in prison.

The Boston Strangler was Convicted on pure Speculation and there was NEVER any HARD evidence against him. The Clintons have had NO hard evidence against them and plenty of speculations, way too many speculations to just say, B.S.

Her move to become a New York Senator was as shady as one could get.

Her back and forth changing of her positions to gain support is an act.

Hillary scares the death out of me, because I fully feel her interest is NOT in the Country but in the power it will bring her and Bill.

Now I know many of you don't believe it, but the 44 untimely murders of close associates, possible witnesses, etc while Bill was in office is just too far beyond coincendental. There is something very disturbing about the Clintons and it has NOTHING to do with Politcal Party. Ron Brown and Vince Foster are two, who come to mind and I note their involvement with the Clintons and their untimely and supsicious deaths. The Hope Arkansas bunch, included the Clintons, McDougals, Vince Foster and Gov Jim Guy Tucker (who later ended up in jail as well) and a Judge. Too strange, too many UNANSWERED questions. This isn't a Rant, these are concerns that never had answers.

[TexasT]

Hillary scares me and I don't completely know why. She is one of the smartest candidates but she lacks finesse in the delivery of her speeches. Also, she's not the most personable candidate. I feel like she's out for radical changes, and with the type of country this is I don't think many are willing to tolerate what she wants to do. She reminds me of one of those smart people that's too smart to know how to focus their thoughts. What scares me is that I think she has the balls to actually make all the changes she wants.

[N2914J]

From what I've seen on the debates, I just feel that she's a little too emotional. That tends to be a rare trait among politicians.

For as long as I can remember, my family has been very republican. That in mind, I strongly think that we need a democrat in the Oval Office. However, I do not think our country is ready for a minority, be they a women, or a black man (yeah, I know, he's not black).

[Cyrille]

Ok I don't know if this fits but here goes--- IMO a lot of dictators in history were given power to "fix" something that was broken in gov't which many of them did. This was good for that state. The people were satisfied, but made a fatal mistake allowing that person to remain in power or the dictator seized power and eventually caused great harm or the actual fall of that state to another power. As a senator H C is not in a position to do all she wants but as president she may well be able to.
A lot of what I've read and heard and seen her do has led me to believe that she cannot have the best interest of this country at heart. I believe that history proves that point very well.

[neophyte]

Troy: 'Wingwiper' last paragraph needs visitation.

Without question 'Hillary' is bright.

Osama Obama, too is fairly bright.

All of us have skeletons, all of us have concerned opinions.
Sir; going into work; I do not like my CEO being wishy-washy and share that opinion face to face.

Hillary has changed boats several, many times; adopting other candidates positions i.e. John Edwards. Osama Obama has done the same.

Edwards is the brains about much of the changes; and he's not on my list.

CEO's do not like 'face to face' confrontations; with the mediator being John Edwards @ South Carolina; staving off the Hillary and Osama's personal attacks. Quite off topic and embarrassing I might add for the candidates.

Changing boats as Hillary has done; adopting Edwards plans, is good; providing if elected she'll follow through.

[Wingwiper]

Neo

My BIGGEST fear is that Bill Clinton was NEVER President, his wife was. They say that JFK had the Popularity and Robert had the brains. I think that was the case with Bill and Hillary. She is down right scarey and nothing is sacred to her and nothing is beyond trading for power, including Patriotism or friends.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Now I know many of you don't believe it, but the 44 untimely murders of close associates, possible witnesses, etc while Bill was in office is just too far beyond coincendental. There is something very disturbing about the Clintons and it has NOTHING to do with Politcal Party. Ron Brown and Vince Foster are two, who come to mind and I note their involvement with the Clintons and their untimely and supsicious deaths. The Hope Arkansas bunch, included the Clintons, McDougals, Vince Foster and Gov Jim Guy Tucker (who later ended up in jail as well) and a Judge. Too strange, too many UNANSWERED questions. This isn't a Rant, these are concerns that never had answers.

Okay; anyone who tells me the Clintons are responsible for 44 murders is wasting my time. Please don't...

Originally Posted by TexasT

Hillary scares me and I don't completely know why. She is one of the smartest candidates but she lacks finesse in the delivery of her speeches. Also, she's not the most personable candidate. I feel like she's out for radical changes, and with the type of country this is I don't think many are willing to tolerate what she wants to do. She reminds me of one of those smart people that's too smart to know how to focus their thoughts. What scares me is that I think she has the balls to actually make all the changes she wants.

Apparently she scares a lot of people, Texas T. That's why I started this thread...

I agree she isn't particularly lovable and cuddly, but that isn't necessarily a requirement for running the most powerful country in the world.

What changes are you scared she wants to make?

Originally Posted by N2914J

From what I've seen on the debates, I just feel that she's a little too emotional. That tends to be a rare trait among politicians.
For as long as I can remember, my family has been very republican. That in mind, I strongly think that we need a democrat in the Oval Office. However, I do not think our country is ready for a minority, be they a women, or a black man (yeah, I know, he's not black).

I remember being told the country wasn't "ready" for a Roman Catholic president when Kennedy was running. And during the Reagan campaign, we heard repeatedly that the country would never accept a president who had been divorced.

The country's never "ready" for anything until it happens; then it's taken for granted. Interesting comment, but it doesn't really address why people are claiming Hillary is the Devil in panties.

Originally Posted by Cyrille

...A lot of what I've read and heard and seen her do has led me to believe that she cannot have the best interest of this country at heart. I believe that history proves that point very well.

Tell me what you've seen and heard, Cyrille. And how does "history" prove she doesn't have the best interests of this country at heart?

Originally Posted by Wingwiper

Neo
My BIGGEST fear is that Bill Clinton was NEVER President, his wife was. They say that JFK had the Popularity and Robert had the brains. I think that was the case with Bill and Hillary. She is down right scarey and nothing is sacred to her and nothing is beyond trading for power, including Patriotism or friends.

Well, if she was really president she's already proven she can handle the job, hasn't she? While I don't agree with everything that the Clinton administration did, the country didn't fall apart during those eight years.

Don't tell me she's "scary" and will trade patriotism and friends for power; that's just emotional rambling. Give me specifics that prove your point.

[ArkansasHunter]

I have no comments but i do have concerns and if given the oppertunity I'm voteing for Mike Huckabee.
There's no doughts about him as there are with the other canidates.
Also I don't beleive he is a sold out republican either. which is fine with me.
A.H

[.22guy]

I feel like she is not doing this to help the country but for her own power to distribute wealth. I saw her on TV yesterday morning (Face the Nation??) and she was quoting scripture. She is the worst kind of panderer, and I hate that. I guess most pols are though.

[cetmedog]

Read the Patiot Act she supported and please tell me there is no reason to worry about her. There's your food for thought

[neophyte]

Troy: Sir; visit the 44? dead:
Vince Foster; or Ron Brown were suggested having a 'love' interest in Hillary:
With the "Park Service" cleaning up the ?murder? question; were carefully put away.
The ''boxes" in the office?

Many? thinkers? have questioned? It all has gone away.
Where is the investigation. Edgar Hoover?

How now Brown Cow: did this sweeping away happen?

Sir; NOT directed at you. an open thought.

Trust is a four letter word. Trust Hillary, then you'll trust Obama

My believing in Black and White; [color blind] educated issues; bring information, bring thinking, bring thought.
Hillary and Obama; realize that Edwards is more to the point and have changed tactic's to include more and more of Edwards philosophy.

[The_Patriot]

I think it impossible for one person with one perspective to report on the so-called hysteria. I think the anti-Hillary crowd have a myriad of unique reasons. For me?

1) My gut. The Clintons have always appeared to be liars. That was true the first time I heard Bill speak, and still true the last time I heard Hillary speak. I got into politics about the time Bubba got elected the first time and had no bias, but it didn't take long fo me to listen to my gut...I knew they were no good. All these years later, I've never felt differently. Not once.

2) Their disdane for the military. I just finished my 20 years. The Clintons and their ilk did their worst to dismantle our military and its capabilities the first time around. They'll do it again if given the opportunity. Bill and Hillary are connected at the hip, it's a package deal; buy one, get the other. It's no secret to those around her that she loathes the military, regardless what she says in public. To be fair and balanced (he he), I am not that proud of how the Republicans are wearing out our military either. I'd rather see it used in defense of this country instead of the world's police force. But, as usual, we're forced to pick betwee two evils. She is far worse for the military than any Republican. I never saw morale as low as it was under Bill. I'd hate to imagine what another 4 or 8 years would do.

My intuition and the impact on our military is enough for me. If you think this country needs a capable, motivated and modernized military to deter and fight future wars, then you are at odds with Hillary. If you consider that China is spending like a drunk sailor to modernize and strengthen its military with the primary goal of achieving parity with the West, that should rattle you just a tad. There's a real giant rising out there and we need someone that'll keep their eye on the ball.

In my opinion, that's all I need to avoid her in the voting booth. I don't even have to think about her flawed socialist agendas/ideas or her cloudy past. It's moot.

[ezearln]

Sorry Troy, while I cannot give you a definative REASON, I simply DO NOT TRUST Billary Clintons. et al and Company. Every time I hear her or Bill on the TV or radio I get this greasy feeling like I am listening to a snake oil/ used car salesperson. I have alot of mistrust of the Clintons on a variety of fronts not the least of which is Whitewater there are others. But the base reason I'd never vote for her is I simply don't trust her period. Looking at her I just feel there's a snake in the woodpile there.

[Wingwiper]

Denial, does NOT make it UNTRUE. Are the Clintons, responsible... very good question and one that has NEVER really been answered, one way or the other. The question has been challenged many times and never a real conclusive conclusion. So questions still lurk, were they ALL just coincidental????

http://www.etherzone.com/body.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/deaths.html
http://www.lizmichael.com/clintond.htm


No doubt some of these may be just that, coincidental, but all of them? PBS ran a fairly lengthy special with Interviews with the McDougals, FBI, and so many others as they were doing Investigative reporting on Whitewater, S&L, Rose Law Firm and the Deaths. Their findings for years was online for all to read, I find the listings have dwindle over time but, Here are some from PBS Frontline reports of many of the scandals and some of the deaths;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/etc/chron.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/etc/friends.html
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t81769.html

Worth reading

http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/whtwtrh.htm

Well if you ONLY believe what you want to believe, no matter what I write or anyone else, you will not cast doubt, spend any time researching and not be altered, so what is the point?

During the Clinton years the Economy was running off of Reaganonmics and that was pretty well derailed by the time Bush Jr got into office. No doubt you will deny this but did you know??
FACT the DOW has never exceeded 1025 points until Reagan implemented a Simplified Tax and put forth his Reaganomics? By the time Reagan left Office, the DOW had surpassed 3500 and the spiral upward continued until 99 or 2000 where it leveled and started to lose ground.
http://www.stockmarkettiming.com/historical-charts.html

President Reagan said it would take about 10 to 15 years for the full effect to take effect. The chart shows EXACTLY that. Clinton did nothing to feed the economy and if anything we are now enjoying the effects of NAFTA.

FACT Clintons deployed troops more than the previous 4 Presidents combined. Yet Bill was a draft Dodger.

When the Clintons left office, they issued very very questionable Pardons, vandalized the White House and left with a rather bad feelings.

So many questions, so much in GUT FEELINGS that the Clintons are BAD NEWS.

I am NOT attacking the Democratic Party, I have voted for many many Democrats, but I speak against the Clinton Character and that is just plain BAD. I am in my late 50s and I have had plenty to compare to and the Clintons are in a league of their own. I don't TRUST them, they LIE, they don't remember, they do remember. They did vote for not wait they voted against, no wait they voted for BEFORE they knew what they meant to vote for.

Hillary

Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. Oct 2001
Positive about civil unions, with full equality of benefits. Aug 2007
and then
Let states decide gay marriage; they're ahead of feds. Aug 2007
* Mandatory sentences have been too widely used. Jun 2007
* Reduce sentencing disparity for crack, but not retroactively. Dec 2007
* Teacher testing only for new teachers. Oct 2000
* Testing only new teachers respects professionalism. Oct 2000
* Supports structured inner-city schools, with uniforms.May 1996
* More after-school; smaller classes. Jul 1999 (higher taxes to pay for teacher increase here.)
* Vouchers would take money from public schools. Oct 2000 (so much for school choice)
* Parents can choose, but support public schools. Feb 1997 (even if they aren't working)
* Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. Jun 2007
* Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. Nov 2005
* Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). Jun 2005 (start cutting the firewood)
* Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Mar 2005
* Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill.Mar 2003
* Rated 0% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. Dec 2003
* FactCheck: for NAFTA while First Lady; now against CAFTA. Oct 2007
* Defended outsourcing of US jobs to India. Oct 2005
* Globalization should not substitute for humanization. Jun 1999
* Supports MFN for China, despite concerns over human rights. Oct 2000
* Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists. Aug 2007
* Public financing would fix campaign donor problems. Sep 2007
* Move to public election financing, not banning lobbyists. Aug 2007
* Give big states a big slice of federal pie. Aug 1999
* New Democrat: Government is not the solution to all problems. Feb 2000
* Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. Jul 2007
* Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. Mar 2006
* Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. Feb 2002
* Get assault weapons & guns off the street. Jul 2007
* License and register all handgun sales. Jun 2000
* Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. Jul 1999
* Gun control protects our children. Jul 1999
* Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. Jul 1999
* Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Jul 2005
* Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. Mar 2004
* Local smoking bans ok, but no national ban. Sep 2007
* Regulate tobacco; fine of $3000 for every underage smoker. Apr 2000 (why in some parts they chew and smoke before they go to school, who decides what the proper age is)
* Smaller steps to progress on health care. Jan 2000
* 1990s reform called "secretive" but had 600 in working group. Nov 2003
* Voted NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. May 2006
* Examine registering 18-year-old women for selective service. Dec 2007
* National security is more important than human rights. Nov 2007
* Wants to repeal don't-ask-don't-tell, but not until 2009. Aug 2007
* Opposed to draft, but register women for draft. Jul 2007
* 9/11: Got $20B to rebuild lower Manhattan. Jun 2007 (Gov is an Insurance Company with her)
* Nixon should have been impeached for bombing Cambodia. Dec 1999 (how about Bill for Sudan?)
* Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. Aug 2007
* Voted YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees. Sep 2006 (please change the word to TERRORISTS from DETAINEE)
* Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. Mar 2006
* Anti-immigrant bill would have criminalized Jesus Christ. Sep 2007
* Sanctuary cities ok; local police can't enforce immigration. Sep 2007
* Opposes illegal immigration, but doesn't vote to follow up. Jun 2007
* Making English official imperils crises needing translators. Jun 2007
* Comprehensive reform to get 12 million out of shadows. Apr 2007
* Keep New York-Ontario border passport-free for tourism. Oct 2006
* Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. Jun 2007
* Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. May 2006
* Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. Dec 2006
* Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. Jun 2007 (more jobs go overseas)
* Reaches out to conservatives but voting record is liberal. May 2007
* I thought Bill was a pretty good president; now I'm running. Sep 2007
* Whitewater deal: the only "stupid dumb thing we ever did". Jun 2007
* Make sure nobody ever tries to privatize Social Security. Aug 2007
* Why cut off payroll contribution at $95,000? Jun 2007
* NY share of federal taxes is too high. Feb 2000
* Just Say No to GOP tax plan. Sep 1999
* Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. Mar 2007
* Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. Aug 2006
* Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. Jun 2006
* Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. Feb 2006
* Voted YES on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. Nov 2005
* Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. May 2003
* Believed, with others, that Iran was pursuing nuclear weapon. Dec 2007
* Pledge that Iran will not develop a nuclear bomb. Oct 2007
* Protect troops with body armor then & bringing them home now. Sep 2007
* After 9/11:Those helping terrorists would feel "wrath" of US. Jun 2007
* Iran having a nuclear weapon is absolutely unacceptable. Jun 2007
* Absolutely oppose the war in Iraq. Oct 2007
* Goal to remove all troops from Iraq by 2013, but no pledge. Sep 2007
* Leave combat troops in Iraq only for conterterrorism. Sep 2007 (how many is that)
* Defunding war is the only way to force Bush to change course. Sep 2007
* The Iraq war is Bush's war. Jun 2007
* Takes responsibility for Iraq war vote, but not a mistake. Feb 2007
* Voted for Iraq war based on available info; now would not. Apr 2007
* Critic of Iraq war, but won't recant 2002 vote in its favor. Nov 2006
* Regrets Bush's handling of war, but not her war vote. Oct 2006
* Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. Sep 2007
* Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. Oct 2003
* Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. Oct 2002
* Condemns anti-Muslim bigotry in name of anti-terrorism. Oct 2001

http://www.factcheck.org/article416.html

[two-70]

well all i can say is we saw what Bill and the anti gunners did, why would we want the female counter part in there

[Big Dog]

Wingwiper speaks for me too. Just look at her voting history, and what she supports or opposes. Basically the total opposite of my beliefs. So NO, I can't in any way, shape or form, support her. Same reason I can't take any Democrat candidate seriously - but far more so with HER!
She has proven herself an Elitist and Socialist - that runs against the grain for any true American.
And finally - she is simply a bitch - we don't need that in the Oval Office.

[Mooseman684]

Bill had several affairs, and one in the Oval Office. If She can't even keep track of her own Husband, how can she be expected to run this Country ???
She has Lied, Flip-flopped, Changed her story, and when she didn't Divorce Bill after the Public Humiliation, I lost all respect for the whole bunch of em. She Wants a Non Sunsetting"AW" GUN BAN with REGISTRATION of all Guns and LICENSING of all gun owners....Isn't this platform Enough...why do you think she is nicknamed Hitlerry ???
She is Just a Power hungry self centered Witch...

[ArkansasHunter]

Hillary is/was Gay and doesn't care if Bill gets some on the side !!!

[Deersniper]

Read about Hillary and Bill's "PAST" friends- the FiringLineForum. She is a member of every Globalist agenda. If they are globalists you cannot trust them, as they serve the Bilderburgers. All of the others are the same way, except for Dr. Paul. Troy it encourages me to see you asking questions, Most people just believe what they read or see in the media. There is alot of truth out, if you'll do the research. I love the net!