Hillary or Obama? Is the US ready for either?

[TNRICK55]

ILL NOT SAY WHAT I THINK ,BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE THAT KIND OF WORDS ON HERE.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

I've actually read her books and in one of them she actually says that there has never been an act of terrorism by a non muslim in the USA. It is that kind of blatant fear mongering and lying which I cannot stand at all.

Obviously, she has never heard of Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber.

That is my justification and I will stand by it for as long as I live.

I never read her book so I would have to take your word with caution!!!

[The_Patriot]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

I've actually read her books and in one of them she actually says that there has never been an act of terrorism by a non muslim in the USA. It is that kind of blatant fear mongering and lying which I cannot stand at all.

Obviously, she has never heard of Timothy McVeigh or the Unabomber.

That is my justification and I will stand by it for as long as I live.

I'm not a big Coulter lover, nor have I read her books. But in her defense, did she give a definition of "terrorism" in that book? Her statement might still be true, depending on the definition she's applying.

Having been part of the Federal Government for 20 years, I KNOW that there are different definitions of "terrorism" used by different agencies, etc.

Again, not necessarily defending her, but I like the truth. That passage may have had further context than you're referencing, to include a definition that is different than yours.

[tlarkin]

I am sorry I got confused it was actually from one of her collums I pulled up the article via google search (man I love the internet)

Coulter says profiling makes sense when Muslims have committed virtually all the terrorist attacks against Americans for the past 25 years--she begins a terrorism timeline in her latest book with Iranian militants taking Americans hostage in Tehran in 1979. She says of Timothy McVeigh's bombing in Oklahoma City, Okla., "One does not a pattern make."

source: Media Matters - Even after Time 's cover story, you still don't know "the real Ann Coulter"

She goes on to say that we are at holy war for a Christian nation in her book, that we are not fighting against the muslims to beat them but for our Christian nation. Last I checked in our bill of rights every citizen had their own right to believe in whatever religion they wanted. Things like this really bug me a ton. How in the hell is she even famous? Who actually buys into this crap?

She talks about how liberals should be given the death penalty to scare them into being more conservative? I mean she is completely bat shit crazy.

She actually says she wishes that some Democrats and Liberals would have been killed or assasinated in terrorist plots. What does that mean? That Democrats and Liberals have no right to live? They love this country just as much as any other political party but have different views.

She skews facts, lies, writes things in a rhetorical manner to confuse you and to better her own point, and her views are extremely radical. I have never wanted to punch a woman in my life, but I would personally super glue a pair of balls to Ann Coulter to make her a man for a split second and then slap her.

Sorry for the rant, and I encourage everyone to read her colums and her publications to get your own opinion about her. Don't take my word for it, read her stuff and you will see what I am talking about.

[baldeagle48]

Ann's ancestor uncovered

[mym1a]

voting for a minority black female what ever! realy has nothing to do with it, what I won't vote for is anyone that will take my rights away and try to turn our culture on its head( which they have pretty much done already)! I don't care if he/she was one of my siblings! I still wouldn't vote for them!

[two-70]

well i would much rather have Huckabee than Mccain , but i am not gonna vote demo. no way

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by The_Patriot

I made a decision last night to not spend so much time on politics on the gun site, but I'll quickly respond to your points.
1) Why would Bin Laden want a strong anti-terror leader in the White House? So his organizations and sister organizations would be under constant assault? And who ever said Bin Laden was a smart guy? I think he's a strategic and operational idiot. Just because some goat herders have been able to protect him, doesn't make him a genius.
2) I do agree that fighting terrorism isn't strictly a military problem. But I don't think it's strictly a law enforcement problem, either. It would be better for specialized military or para-military groups to fight fire with fire--on their turf, with heir language, etc. The answer, I always felt, fell somewhere in the middle (as do most answers to debates). Regardless of how you fight it, you need someone in the White House that wants to fight it. Read that book I suggested earlier, Dereliction of Duty, and tell me if Clinton was devoted to fighting terrorism. There were a number of other good books as well.
3) I never tried to scare anyone; facts are facts--Bin Laden, et al, do follow our politics VERY closely and have tried to influence them in the past. Obviously, they did that for a reason.
4) You still didn't answer my question, if YOU were a terrorist, planning or training bombings/operations (anywhere on the globe), who would YOU want in the White House? Why? If you were that terrorist, you woulnd't feel better about accomplishing your mission with one group over another in today's environment?
Just some friendly points...nothing to lose sleep over.

You're well-spoken, and your points have some coherent reasoning behind them even when I disagree. You won't keep me from sleeping; I don't think there's anyone or anything that keeps me awake at night except video games, beer or women.

1. Bin Laden wants to radicalize the Muslim world, and pursuade it to rise against Christianity in general and the west in particular. To do that, HE needs a bogieman, and Bush fits the bill very nicely. Nothing unites a people or motivates a group like persecution or having a common enemy.

2. I've read parts of the book, and I thought it was totally one-sided. Like most of that sort of writing, it put the worst possible interpretation on facts and events to make its central point.

3. Whether you're trying to scare people or not, I'd say you believe scary things will happen if the wrong people get into power.

4. No; if I were a terrorist I wouldn't be any happier with Democrats in office. The so-called War on Terror is an ongoing process now, and no one's going to be soft on terrorists. I'm more worried about the next president throwing more of our resources away willy-nilly with dramatic military moves and losing sight of the core problem, than I am about him/her being a wuss.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by troy2000

You're well-spoken, and your points have some coherent reasoning behind them even when I disagree. You won't keep me from sleeping; I don't think there's anyone or anything that keeps me awake at night except video games, beer or women.

1. Bin Laden wants to radicalize the Muslim world, and pursuade it to rise against Christianity in general and the west in particular. To do that, HE needs a bogieman, and Bush fits the bill very nicely. Nothing unites a people or motivates a group like persecution or having a common enemy.

2. I've read parts of the book, and I thought it was totally one-sided. Like most of that sort of writing, it put the worst possible interpretation on facts and events to make its central point.

3. Whether you're trying to scare people or not, I'd say you believe scary things will happen if the wrong people get into power.

4. No; if I were a terrorist I wouldn't be any happier with Democrats in office. The so-called War on Terror is an ongoing process now, and no one's going to be soft on terrorists. I'm more worried about the next president throwing more of our resources away willy-nilly with dramatic military moves and losing sight of the core problem, than I am about him/her being a wuss.

so it appears troy2000 that you fear a woman or minority might over react to maintain popularity?

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by baldeagle48

Ann's ancestor uncovered

That is just golden.....great pic!

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mym1a

so it appears troy2000 that you fear a woman or minority might over react to maintain popularity?

No, I'm actually more afraid of a white Republican man thinking he has to stay macho.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by troy2000

No, I'm actually more afraid of a white Republican man thinking he has to stay macho.

well it appears you will have your dreams come true this fall?

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mym1a

well it appears you will have your dreams come true this fall?

Aside from the gun issue, I don't see any of the currently viable candidates on either side as a national disaster waiting to happen; the country would survive any one of them whether I liked them or not. Yeah, I know: a whole lot of people who read that statement are going to tear their hair and wonder how I can be so blind...

I was seriously afraid of getting stuck with Bloomberg or Giuiliani, though; the last thing we need is a New York City mayor for president.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Aside from the gun issue, I don't see any of the currently viable candidates on either side as a national disaster waiting to happen; the country would survive any one of them whether I liked them or not. Yeah, I know: a whole lot of people who read that statement are going to tear their hair and wonder how I can be so blind...

I was seriously afraid of getting stuck with Bloomberg or Giuiliani, though; the last thing we need is a New York City mayor for president.

bloomberg and giuliani no way, to many NYers running for the same office I hope the rest of the country is to smart to choose any one from NY,

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by mym1a

bloomberg and giuliani no way, to many NYers running for the same office I hope the rest of the country is to smart to choose any one from NY,

Sounds like you are a Culter fan after all. What the hell is wrong with NY people? Most people in NY move there from other states.

[BattleRifleG3]

Frankly, I think Ann Coulter has recently lost her mind and that it's really not all that complicated. That happens to some people when they get too popular to handle themselves.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by BattleRifleG3

Frankly, I think Ann Coulter has recently lost her mind and that it's really not all that complicated. That happens to some people when they get too popular to handle themselves.

I think she was just born bat shit crazy, but that is just my opinion. I also think she gives republicans and conservatives a bad rep.

[mym1a]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

Sounds like you are a Culter fan after all. What the hell is wrong with NY people? Most people in NY move there from other states.

she has a point I know she is a bomb thrower.unfortunately i had the mifortune of being born here, left in late 70's and returned in the late 90's, other then having an ill family member, I'm not sure why I stayed, most NYers are very liberal, I don't think she is one of them! I guess the question I should ask is what part don't you understand???? what is the mystery?

Having an R after your name doesn't mean your republican the point I think she was making with McCain was voting for him you might as well be voting for the democrat party other then his views on the war how is he conservative? Guiliani Bloomberg all claim to be republicans. another point I think she was making was let the dems win the white house, focus on voting for more rep. conservatives to the house and senate.if we could regain the majority the next president won't be able to get much done as far as signing into law any new legislation.Is she correct? I honestly don't? who will McCain appoint to the supreme court and other lower courts? the only thing I can agree with him on is his support of the war.

[tlarkin]

Sorry I meant no offense, and it is hard to sense "dry sarcasm" on internet forums. I was merely just joking around with you.

My problems with her is that she wrote one of her books in NY, which was about how much of a cesspool, crap shoot of a city NY was. Also, in my honest opinion, NY being as large as it is, and having the diversity that it does represents what a lot of people in the US can't or don't understand. They have the largest immigrant population, the largest ethnic diversity, so on and so forth. Since they live and breath that stuff every day you would think they would know a bit better than some small town in the middle of no where that has its views about the world but never has to live in it.

Now, Coulter attacks all kinds of people and uses blatant lies. She is all for racial profiling of Muslims (which is un-constitutional), she clearly states that she wishes liberals and democrats would have been killed in terrorist attacks (thats just sick), and she is just bat shit crazy. She gives conservative republicans a bad name. If people like her ran for office I would possibly leave the country. I don't want anyone in politics who wishes death upon their opponents, that is just ----ed up! Even Republicans are scared of her, she is a ticking bomb just waiting to go off and ruin someone's career.

[mym1a]

they have their micheal moore and we have ann coulter????what can i say. here in NY our lives are effected by what the scum from NYC come up with, they have a very narrow scope on life and realy have no clue outside of the concrete jungle!!!