PLEASE READ. MCCAINS SPEECH TO CPAC

Oxford · 03-05-2008, 03:34 PM

NRAJOE...I'm still laughing at the fact you voted for Hilliary.

But...I think I understand your thinking. Who would have thought the choices would come down to these two for the Dem's? And I thought you were a dyed in "red" Republican. Dang...some people would roll over laughing in their graves if they heard what you did.

BaserRonin · 03-05-2008, 03:47 PM

I was in the "Anyone But Hillary" camp for a long time. After doing some in-depth research on Obama that has changed. And I think the republican candidate (911 McCain) stands a better chance against Hill-dog then Obama. Real or not he is being perceived as a person who can make change happen. Asking around, all of the people I know voting Dem are voting for Obama because of this perception. It seems they want "change". Nothing specific, just change, any change.

Again, after digging into Obama politics, I would be much more comfortable with Hill-dog running then Obama. That man is socialist to the core.

(nod to South Park for the Hill-Dog reference - still makes me laugh)

A-10 · 03-05-2008, 04:17 PM

It's a sad day when Americans can not choose the better candidate for president, but must rather choose the one that isn't as bad as the other.

NRAJOE · 03-05-2008, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oxford

NRAJOE...I'm still laughing at the fact you voted for Hilliary.

But...I think I understand your thinking. Who would have thought the choices would come down to these two for the Dem's? And I thought you were a dyed in "red" Republican. Dang...some people would roll over laughing in their graves if they heard what you did.

Alot of Republicans banded together here in Ohio and Texas and did the same thing...and it worked!

I almost puked and had to run home and take a extremely hot shower though to scrub the "dirt" off of me...

Chris · 03-05-2008, 05:54 PM

Good job Joe!!
I'm only hoping that they can keep their party divided enough to let the GOP learn the American people aren't all sheep.

Oxford · 03-05-2008, 06:28 PM

Joe...I knew there was a ulterior motive to your action. Just had to kid you a little. Politics is a strange process. Seems like lately it's been about choosing the person who'll do the least damage to our causes, rather than the person who will do great things for our country.

NRAJOE · 03-06-2008, 03:08 PM

In his latest speech he said he is against an assault weapon ban. Here's what it says on his website, and if you look at Obama's website there is nothing there about guns at all.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing...9e1c07d2fbd.htm

John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.

Gun Manufacturer Liability

John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry.

Assault Weapons

John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics.

Importation of High Capacity Magazines

John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations.

Gun Locks

John McCain believes that every firearms owner has a responsibility to learn how to safely use and store the firearm they have chosen, whether for target shooting, hunting, or personal protection. He has supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging.

Banning Ammunition

John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing."

DC Personal Protection

As part of John McCain's defense of Second Amendment rights, he cosponsored legislation to lift a ban on the law abiding citizens of the District of Columbia from exercising their Constitutional right to bear arms.

Criminal Background Checks

John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Background Checks at Gun Shows

At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions.

The Firearm Purchase Waiting Period

John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms.

The confiscation of firearms after an emergency

John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation.

Stiffer Penalties for Criminals who use a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime

John McCain believes in strict, mandatory penalties for criminals who use a firearm in the commission of a crime or illegally possess a firearm. Enforcing the current laws on the books is the best way to deter crime.

03-05-2008, 03:34 PM	#21
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	NRAJOE...I'm still laughing at the fact you voted for Hilliary. But...I think I understand your thinking. Who would have thought the choices would come down to these two for the Dem's? And I thought you were a dyed in "red" Republican. Dang...some people would roll over laughing in their graves if they heard what you did. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

03-05-2008, 04:17 PM	#23
A-10 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 762	It's a sad day when Americans can not choose the better candidate for president, but must rather choose the one that isn't as bad as the other. __________________ If there's nothing worth dying for, there's nothing worth living for.

03-05-2008, 05:54 PM	#25
Chris HMFIC Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,834,261 Images: 19 Blog Entries: 20	Good job Joe!! I'm only hoping that they can keep their party divided enough to let the GOP learn the American people aren't all sheep. __________________ Rules \| Contributing Members No one has the right to deny my personal safety Please be descriptive in your thread titles! NRA Life Member

03-05-2008, 06:28 PM	#26
Oxford Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Gladstone, Missouri Posts: 13,110 Blog Entries: 4	Joe...I knew there was a ulterior motive to your action. Just had to kid you a little. Politics is a strange process. Seems like lately it's been about choosing the person who'll do the least damage to our causes, rather than the person who will do great things for our country. __________________ "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right".

03-06-2008, 03:08 PM	#27
NRAJOE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 19,255 Images: 3	In his latest speech he said he is against an assault weapon ban. Here's what it says on his website, and if you look at Obama's website there is nothing there about guns at all. http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing...9e1c07d2fbd.htm John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway. Gun Manufacturer Liability John McCain opposes backdoor attempts to restrict Second Amendment rights by holding gun manufacturers liable for crimes committed by third parties using a firearm, and has voted to protect gun manufacturers from such inappropriate liability aimed at bankrupting the entire gun industry. Assault Weapons John McCain opposes restrictions on so-called "assault rifles" and voted consistently against such bans. Most recently he opposed an amendment to extend a ban on 19 specific firearms, and others with similar characteristics. Importation of High Capacity Magazines John McCain opposes bans on the importation of certain types of ammunition magazines and has voted against such limitations. Gun Locks John McCain believes that every firearms owner has a responsibility to learn how to safely use and store the firearm they have chosen, whether for target shooting, hunting, or personal protection. He has supported legislation requiring gun manufacturers to include gun safety devices such as trigger locks in product packaging. Banning Ammunition John McCain believes that banning ammunition is just another way to undermine Second Amendment rights. He voted against an amendment that would have banned many of the most commonly used hunting cartridges on the spurious grounds that they were "armor-piercing." DC Personal Protection As part of John McCain's defense of Second Amendment rights, he cosponsored legislation to lift a ban on the law abiding citizens of the District of Columbia from exercising their Constitutional right to bear arms. Criminal Background Checks John McCain supports instant criminal background checks to help prohibit criminals from buying firearms and has voted to ensure they are conducted thoroughly, efficiently, and without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens. Background Checks at Gun Shows At a time when some were trying to shut down gun shows in the name of fighting crime, John McCain tried to preserve gun shows by standardizing sales procedures. Federal law requires licensed firearm sellers at gun shows to do an instant criminal background check on purchasers while private firearm sellers at gun shows do not have to conduct such a check. John McCain introduced legislation that would require an instant criminal background check for all sales at gun shows and believes that such checks must be conducted quickly to ensure that unnecessary delays do not effectively block transactions. The Firearm Purchase Waiting Period John McCain has opposed "waiting periods" for law abiding citizen's purchase of firearms. The confiscation of firearms after an emergency John McCain opposes the confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency. He voted in favor of an amendment sponsored by Senator David Vitter prohibiting such confiscation. Stiffer Penalties for Criminals who use a Firearm in the Commission of a Crime John McCain believes in strict, mandatory penalties for criminals who use a firearm in the commission of a crime or illegally possess a firearm. Enforcing the current laws on the books is the best way to deter crime. __________________ U.S. Army 1976-1979 237th Combat Engineers Heilbronn, Germany

03-05-2008, 03:47 PM	#22
BaserRonin Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a Dark Cubicle Posts: 375	I was in the "Anyone But Hillary" camp for a long time. After doing some in-depth research on Obama that has changed. And I think the republican candidate (911 McCain) stands a better chance against Hill-dog then Obama. Real or not he is being perceived as a person who can make change happen. Asking around, all of the people I know voting Dem are voting for Obama because of this perception. It seems they want "change". Nothing specific, just change, any change. Again, after digging into Obama politics, I would be much more comfortable with Hill-dog running then Obama. That man is socialist to the core. (nod to South Park for the Hill-Dog reference - still makes me laugh)