PLEASE READ. MCCAINS SPEECH TO CPAC

[GlockMeister]

This same link is included in the thread McCains stance on gun control. To be sure as many as possible read it, I felt it best to give it, it's own post/thread.

I'm not really sure we can believe anything a politician says, let alone what one says while running for the Presidency. However, it is all we have to go by.

John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

When you get to the page, hit pause on the video. It is of the speech, but it is only bits and pieces, and does not include what it says in the written version in regards to guns. Disregard the 1st sentence and read the 6th paragraph, or you can read the entire thing if you wish.

Again, sorry to waste server space or post it twice, but I think it's imperative, as many as possible read it.

G-Meister

[Windwalker]

Very nice speech.

[Wingwiper]

Glock

What does it say, I have dial up...

[mosineer]

Well, if nothing else, he quotes Edmund Burke. I have used Mr. Burkes quotes as my signatures for all of my posts. For that alone it is one in the plus column for McCain.

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
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Better be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident security
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"Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither . . . is safe."

[TACAV]

For all you lazy readers out there.

I attended my first CPAC conference as the invited guest of Ronald Reagan, not long after I had returned from overseas, when I heard him deliver his "shining city upon a hill" speech. I was still a naval officer then, but his words inspired and helped form my own political views, just as Ronald Reagan's defense of America's cause in Vietnam and his evident concern for American prisoners of war in that conflict inspired and were a great comfort to those of us who, in my friend Jerry Denton's words, had the honor of serving "our country under difficult circumstances." I am proud, very proud, to have come to public office as a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution. And if a few of my positions have raised your concern that I have forgotten my political heritage, I want to assure you that I have not, and I am as proud of that association today as I was then. My record in public office taken as a whole is the record of a mainstr eam conservative. I believe today, as I believed twenty-five years ago, in small government; fiscal discipline; low taxes; a strong defense, judges who enforce, and not make, our laws; the social values that are the true source of our strength; and, generally, the steadfast defense of our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which I have defended my entire career as God-given to the born and unborn.

Those are my beliefs, and you need not examine only my past votes and speeches to assure yourselves that they are my genuine convictions. You can take added confidence from the positions I have defended during this campaign. I campaigned in Iowa in opposition to agriculture subsidies. I campaigned in New Hampshire against big government mandated health care and for a free market solution to the problem of unavailable and unaffordable health care. I campaigned in Michigan for the tax incentives and trade policies that will create new and better jobs in that economically troubled state. I campaigned in Florida against the national catastrophic insurance fund bill that passed the House of Representatives and defended my opposition to the prescription drug benefit bill that saddled Americans with yet another hugely expensive entitlement program. I have argued to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, to reduce the corporate tax rate and abolish the AMT. I have defended my position on protecting our Second Amendment rights, including my votes against waiting periods, bans on the so-called "assault weapons," and illegitimate lawsuits targeting gun manufacturers. I have proudly defended my twenty-four year pro-life record. Throughout this campaign, I have defended the President's brave decision to increase troop levels in Iraq to execute a long overdue counterinsurgency that has spared us the terrible calamity of losing that war. I held these positions because I believed they were in the best interests of my party and country."

Actions speak louder than words Senator McCain and if you are elected I hope you keep to them.

[GlockMeister]

Thanks much TACAV for doing that. I was just about to and saw you did.

I only posted the link to his speech he gave to CPAC , on 2/7/2008, which for those that may not know, stands for the Conservative Political Action Group.

I've posted the link, because as concerned gun owners he may be one we have to choose from. Did he mean any of it? Who knows. Do politicians say what they think may get them votes? Yes. Can we trust him? Good question. But having this knowledge, may help with that decision, somewhat.

G-Meister

[Cyrano]

Glockmeister, to paraphrase Princess Leia Organa:

"Help us, John McCain. You're our only hope."

We already know where Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama stand. They'd have HR 1022 be the law of the land practically before the DC Department of Sanitation gets finished sweeping the streets after the inaugural parade. Let either one of them get into the White House with a Democratic Party-controlled Congress, and our civil rights, and our Second Amendment rights probably first of all, will vanish faster than cotton candy in the rain.

Let them get in, and it will take a court fight that will make DC vs Heller look tame to get our gun rights back - assuming neither one of them packs the court with justices who pass a litmus test of "the Second Amendment is not an absolute, individual right of the citizens but rather the right of a government to form militias." Either that, or some incident will spark a Second American Revolution. Neither possibility is pleasant.

The easiest way to insure none of these scenarios comes to pass is to work to make sure neither Hillary or Obama wins come November. And at the moment, that means supporting John McCain. If he wins in November, and if DC vs Heller is a sweeping declaration of the individual's absolute, inviolable right to keep and use firearms (which I doubt it will be, regrettably), we can launch challenges that will overturn restrictive gun laws across the nation. But that is a very big if at the moment.

So let's try to get McCain in as President. At the moment, he is our Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[GlockMeister]

Well, I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet. I only put the link up, because I saw so many saying he was against guns or for gun control etc,etc,etc... And according to what he said in this speech, it would tend to contradict that. I'm not trying to say they were lying or anything or trying to sway opinions, possible but I highly doubt it.
I don't vote or not vote for someone because some big star, like say Oprah, says out loud she's backing a certain candidate, or because someone says something good or bad about one or more of the candidates.
I just thought I'd simply post it, so it was there in black and white for people to read and to make or draw their own conclusions.
We shall all have to wait and see who the choices are as it becomes closer and more clear over time...

G-Meister

[Wingwiper]

WOW! Impressive Speech.

Actions speak louder than Words. Hopefully he will be a man of his convictions and hopefully those are his true convictions.

[mym1a]

by god he has seen the lite!!!!!

[Mike82]

This is why my guns aren't registered :P

cuz hillary or obama seem like they are very close to being "president".

[Minionsram]

Most of mine are not registered.

[GlockMeister]

Most guns aren't registered to the person. The person is registered to own a gun, that's all that matters. They'll assume you have them. That's how it is here in Illinois anyhow.

Example, in Illinois, where I live, you are required to file for a FOID card (Firearm Owners Identification Card). All it means is I've filled out the proper paper work and if I've passed the initial back ground check, I get this card and I can legally buy and own a gun within the state of Illinois. Depending on where you are at and what they require, if you are legal, and licensed how ever they do it wherever you're at, they'll assume you have them also. That is, unless you are totally illegal and that just hurts us all. I won't condemn you if you are. I'm not here to judge or cause arguments. But if you are legal, don't matter if you bought it on the side or from a dealer. They'll search everything you own with a warrant of course; After all, they're not stupid. lol

So I hope for all American law-abiding gun owners, and irregardless if you bought them from an FFL or a private sale, I hope you're just legal to own, otherwise if affects us all in the end.

[ArkansasHunter]

Good read and lets hope he's true to his word...A.H

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

Good read and lets hope he's true to his word...A.H

You blobbered a sib full there A.H...

[AKHunter]

I hope he maintains what he espouses. I will NOT cast my vote for Clinton or Obama. The risks are far too great.

[9mmfan]

I hope we can trust what he says.....

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by GlockMeister

Most guns aren't registered to the person. The person is registered to own a gun, that's all that matters. They'll assume you have them. That's how it is here in Illinois anyhow.

Example, in Illinois, where I live, you are required to file for a FOID card (Firearm Owners Identification Card). All it means is I've filled out the proper paper work and if I've passed the initial back ground check, I get this card and I can legally buy and own a gun within the state of Illinois. Depending on where you are at and what they require, if you are legal, and licensed how ever they do it wherever you're at, they'll assume you have them also. That is, unless you are totally illegal and that just hurts us all. I won't condemn you if you are. I'm not here to judge or cause arguments. But if you are legal, don't matter if you bought it on the side or from a dealer. They'll search everything you own with a warrant of course; After all, they're not stupid. lol

So I hope for all American law-abiding gun owners, and irregardless if you bought them from an FFL or a private sale, I hope you're just legal to own, otherwise if affects us all in the end.

Its not registration, its called a permit to acquire, and there is a difference. It just means that you are on record somewhere of obtaining a permit to acquire, but that doesn't mean you have any guns nor does it list your personal inventory of guns anywhere. Missouri is just like that, and in fact their C&C is pretty much the same thing. You aren't registering that you are concealing and carrying, you are just acquiring the permit to do so if you ever felt like it.

All it comes down to is that if you ever got caught concealing or owning a gun they could just call it in to the ATF, and it would be in there system that it is legit for you to acquire guns. Of course the guns have to be legal, its not like that allows you to go buy a flame thrower or a RPG or any other military grade weapon.

[ArkansasHunter]

If Mccain is all we have to vote for and Huckabee is out of it, then Mccain will get my vote.
It will also be a landslide victory for him if the many that voted for Obama to keep Hillary from getting the nomination end up voteing for McCain...A.H

[NRAJOE]

I voted for Hitlery here in Ohio yesterday so hopefully McCain can go up against her in November and thrash her soundly.....