Pit Bull...lethal weapon?

[elmer fudd]

i seen chow up there but didnt know if it was a different dog than a chowowa. i think they should put pomorainians on their come on cute and cuddly but when you turn your back BARKBARK right to your ankle!!!!!!!!!

[Capt'n Mil Coll]

Yup my neighbor just got mauled to death from a wild chihuahua.

[.22hustler]

Si!

[billy]

ay!
carumba!

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by elmer fudd

i want to know how you would mix a pug in a rottwieler!!!!!!!

You should have taken SEX EDUCATION CLASSES, I am sorry I can NOT discuss that on this forum....

I took the course, but they NEVER offered HOME WORK.

Folks, I only posted the facts as gathered. The point being made was a simple one, that even the smallest dog in the correct cirumstances can kill. The odds are very slim but nevertheless still exsist, as you go to the site and look at specific breeds, you will note the precentage of possiblity increases. Those are the breeds through HUMAN IGNORANCE in breeding, has created a breed that is unpredictable. No doubt there are many who can attest to the Pit Bull Terrier as being a great Pet, and they can attest to that ONLY because the correct situations to trigger an attack never happened. Were they lucky or was this able to be controlled?? Who the Hell knows? I have read so many reports of some of these species attacking for no reason and on other than their OWN territory. The lady in France who just had a NEW Face sewed on was attacked by her own dog while she was unconsicous. The real heartbreaks happen when you the OWNER of one of these breeds has to appear in court to DEFEND yourself and you are searching for a reason why it happened and the Prosecution Attorney is throwing these cases on the table, I assure you, when that happens, it won't be what we all think, but what the Jury decides. If you have one of those breeds and they bite someone, no matter how minor, that someone gets a shot and the Doctor HAS to notify authories of a Dog Bite. Your name and address is given as the owner. You most likely will get a phone call. I have already been through it. The insurance company will deny you home insurance and you will be searching to find someone to insure your home and will probably do as I had to do and go through Lloyds of London an pay 5 times the going rate for 3 years. I hope you all never have to go through it, I dealt with a lot of ignorance and no matter how hard I tried to convince people it was NOT an ATTACK, the victims parents were blabbing about a VICIUOS DOG MAULING their DAUGHTER etc etc. That girl can still sue until three years beyond her 21st birthday. You all need to ask if it is worth it and my Dog is NOT even on the LIST. As long as there is Blood, Dog and Victim, the eggerations will be heard much louder over your logic amd explanations. I was called and told that people wanted a SAFE AREA for their children etc, I said They have one, my Dog is in a Fenced in yard and the ACCIDENT happened inside the confines of my home. The fears mustered by the ignorant started a feeding frenzy of more ignorance and soon I was not being heard and accusations became wilder and wilder. My daughter was punished more, because parents have not allowed their kids over to visit, even with the promise the dog stays outside in the yard. My dog wouldn't kill a fly and yet because of one silly accident that was misinterputed by the dozens, well I am sure all can fill in the blanks.

[tlarkin]

Dog breeding is a very weird science. Since I grew up with english bulldogs I was interested in how they came to be so I looked it up. Seems they were cross bred between a bull mastif and a pug. Later on down the blood line a bit of sharpei (sp?) was also bred in. They bred in sharpei to give them the wrinkles on their faces. The reason they wanted to breed wrinkles on their faces was to keep the blood out of their eyes when they fought other animals in the ring.

Breeding dogs is a very weird thing. Of course, that was back in the 1700 and 1800s when dog fighting was popular in England and they also bred the bull terrier which was a more agile version of the bulldog, and of course the pit bull also shares a common ancestor with the bull dog. They were bred for fighting years ago. Which is why they may have that temperment.

Chows, were bred as vicious attack dogs in China for centuries. They were imperial guard dogs and they were super mean. Whenever they chinese royal guard would breed a new liter, they killed any puppy that showed signs of being a nice dog. They only kept and bred the mean ones.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

Dog breeding is a very weird science. Since I grew up with english bulldogs I was interested in how they came to be so I looked it up. Seems they were cross bred between a bull mastif and a pug. Later on down the blood line a bit of sharpei (sp?) was also bred in. They bred in sharpei to give them the wrinkles on their faces. The reason they wanted to breed wrinkles on their faces was to keep the blood out of their eyes when they fought other animals in the ring.

Breeding dogs is a very weird thing. Of course, that was back in the 1700 and 1800s when dog fighting was popular in England and they also bred the bull terrier which was a more agile version of the bulldog, and of course the pit bull also shares a common ancestor with the bull dog. They were bred for fighting years ago. Which is why they may have that temperment.

Chows, were bred as vicious attack dogs in China for centuries. They were imperial guard dogs and they were super mean. Whenever they chinese royal guard would breed a new liter, they killed any puppy that showed signs of being a nice dog. They only kept and bred the mean ones.

You are right.

I was a breeder for many years and I got into Dominant Genes, recessive genes, pedigrees, composition, stance, attitude etc etc. When I say IGNORANT breeders there are so many out there that when they realized that a certain pup was selling for $1000, they ran out and bought a male and a female and started a puppy factory with ZERO knowledge about what they were doing. Hence with many Working Class dogs, Hip displasa is now more common as is dwarfism etc. The German Shepard is probably the MOST abused bred breed. The Shepard was very popular many years ago and these so called Puppy Factories sprung up everywhere. What these idiots didn't realize by just putting a female and male together was that much of the recessive gene traits that were being bred out by knowledgeable breeders was now becoming dominant again.
Many people felt if they bought AKC they were getting some sort of guarantee. BULL SH--. You can take Litter papers from a totally different litter and sell them under another. AKC guarantees NOTHING but if you can be certain of the pedigree then you can get a decent tree for working with.

[elmer fudd]

i didnt know they would freeze "the stuff" from one breed of dog into anouther totoly differnt breed

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by elmer fudd

i didnt know they would freeze "the stuff" from one breed of dog into anouther totoly differnt breed

?????

Different breeds of dogs can breed.

[Cudahogs]

Don't mean to hijack the thread, but the wife and I watched a show a few months ago on dog breeds. I heard a statement that I thought was pretty hard to believe, maybe someone here can back it up. They stated that 80% of all recognized dog breeds have only been around for the last 130 years.
What do you guys think about this?
-Fred

[elmer fudd]

i think that that statment is pretty true like just now they have started making crossbreeds and making it a breed like a labradoodle- a mix of lab and poodle. and my favoriate mix breed jackshit-a mix of jack russle and shitzu! no joke at a rodeo someone tried to sell me on!!!!!!!!!! seriosly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brl150]

I've owned (or my parents when I was young) dogs my entire life. The best dog I have ever owned, my existing dogs, are pits. Mine are professionally trained, competition obedient, dogs with my fine tuning. They (mine) are extremely loyal, inteligent and very, very obedient. My dogs obey on command 100% of the time. Now this being said...I never, never let my dogs out without a leash, don't let strangers pet them and am very responsible in public. Bottom line, I will never set my dogs up to fail...and so far, they haven't. I love the breed, when raised and trained properly.

[Wingwiper]

Originally Posted by Brl150

I've owned (or my parents when I was young) dogs my entire life. The best dog I have ever owned, my existing dogs, are pits. Mine are professionally trained, competition obedient, dogs with my fine tuning. They (mine) are extremely loyal, inteligent and very, very obedient. My dogs obey on command 100% of the time. Now this being said...I never, never let my dogs out without a leash, don't let strangers pet them and am very responsible in public. Bottom line, I will never set my dogs up to fail...and so far, they haven't. I love the breed, when raised and trained properly.

You can believe all you want you have unaffected pits,but the Breed is dangerous, not just to strangers but to the owners as well. The threat of the breed is not within one generation or rather one dog or even a few dogs, it is breed wide and was bred into them for a very very long time. It isn't something you can untrain them of, it is a trait and would take many generations of selective breeding to undo and yet, even after generations of selective breeding that kill gene would still exist, it may become recessive, but it would be still existing and if for any unknown reason a mistake is made in further breeding that gene could trigger an instinctive behavior that is buried deep.. the results would be anything but pleasant.

pits can not be trusted no matter how much you train them. The problem is deep with in their genes and hidden in a little corner of their minds. One day something may trigger them and then...... it is too late. Statistics show that the pit has a huge chance of being deadly. You can train a Chimpanzee to act as human as you want, but in reality it is still a Chimpanzee.

I hope you never have a problem, but the odds are highly against that from being true. The breed when triggered will not retort to what Man has trained it to do but what is embedded in its soul and that is try to kill. Unfortunately it may be a young person who becomes its victim.

Do some research on Pitbull attacks and their victims and then convince yourself, it will NEVER happen.

[Silent Shooter]

In fear of asking a stupid question...

Why do you not open up a fully charged hose on them. After all, you have to go back to the truck to get the ax right??? You have (or at least should have) a hose with you. Blast them with a nozzle going wide open. Dogs HATE that. It seems kinda assinine to kill a dog when it is EASILY overcome by water... The mission of a firefighter is to preserve life and property, right???

[Surplus Shooter]

First of all , to those "heroes " who brag about having shot Pit Bulls , you are some real pieces of work ! Do you slap children around and , kick little old ladies , too ? You have the "courage " to shoot a DOG and , actually BRAG about it . WOW ! You`ve certainly shown your ignorance !
How vicious was the dog " Petey" , ( the white dog with the black ring around his eye ) , who was a "star" of the old TV shows "The Little Rascals" and "Our Gang" ? Yes , check it out . Petey was an American Pit Bull Terrier . Those child stars really looked like they were in terror .
I had a similar " tough guy " TRY to shoot my Pit , who was in my fenced back yard . Just so happened that I was home that particular day and my trusty 1911 and I "coached " this moron with his .22 rifle as to the error of his ways when I saw him pointing the rifle at my dog , over my fence . It was AMAZING how quickly he learned to understand English , when I caught him attempting to shoot my dog ,when he THOUGHT no one was home !
We did not set out to have a Pit Bull . He showed up as a stray pup at our house , last Summer . He has the mostly lovable disposition .
However , let me share a story about this Pit Bull with you .....
We live out in the country . Ignorant people , from the city are constantly dropping their "unwanted" dogs off out where we live , rather than using one of the MANY no-kill shelters in town . These dogs are HUNGRY and have gotten aggressive over time as a result of their plight imposed by their "owners" .
On February 22nd of this year , my Wife had walked out of our front door , to our mailbox , a distance of some 80 feet .
As she walked out to the mailbox , she noticed a pack of strays across the road about 50 yards away . These dogs had been in the area for quite some time and their presence had not raised any safety concerns prior to what was about to happen .
As she approached our doorstep , my Wife was taken to the ground by 4 of these strays and mauled . She suffered 39 dog bites and now has permanent damage to BOTH of her hands and has lost most of her hands` function as a result . NONE of these dogs were Pit Bulls . They were a mixture of large household dog breeds . However , our Pit Bull , was inside the house , trying to get outside and come to her aid .
As she fought for her life against the pack of dogs , my Wife attempted to get to her feet and get inside the house with little luck . She is 5`3" and had 4 large dogs attacking her . She was home alone and we live in a rural area . No chance of help from neighbors or passers by , I was away on a hunting trip .
Fortunately for her , she had not fully latched the front door when she walked out to get the mail . In her struggle she had hit the door and it popped open . Waiting to get out , was our Pit Bull . He came out into the front yard and took on the 4 dogs which had been attacking my Wife .
2 of the dogs left our yard fairly quickly . 2 stayed to fight . Our Pit Bull , mortally injured one of my Wife`s attackers and wounded another . Sure , the Pit has some battle scars . But , he LITERALLY SAVED MY WIFE`S LIFE .
Yes , I`ll agree , we`ve ALL seen the TV news stories and heard the horror stories of "those" Pit Bulls . But , intelligent folks KNOW .....
These dogs are NOT vicious attack dogs by nature . They are TAUGHT and trained these behaviors , by their IRRESPONSIBLE OWNERS !
There are ignorant people traing roosters to fight , too . We DON`T go around mindlessly shooting chickens !

[elmer fudd]

i agree with you its punished into them and it is usualy pit bulls becouse they are big tough dogs so people think they can win in a little alley fight and get some money off of this terrible thing that is worse then cockfights becouse i big chicken couldnt kill a person like a abused pit bull or any other dog for that matter.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by Surplus Shooter

First of all , to those "heroes " who brag about having shot Pit Bulls , you are some real pieces of work !

Bragging? Who? Me? No bragging here!

Let me tell you something you little piece of crap. When on 2 separate occasions I hear a pitbull in my fenced in back yard attacking my dog you are damn right that I have no qualms about having to or admitting to having to shoot them. The first one I killed deader than $h!t; the second got away and took off; but I hope, I really hope, that piece of $hIt of a dog bled out in his owners yard. Had I not been home that day sick from work that dog would have killed my lab.

I know what these dogs are capable of. These dogs weren't aggressive towards me either. But they were ferociously vicious towards my dog. That's their nature. I tried to get the first one out but he kept edging towards my lab. It went form growling to few quick bites to full blown in for the neck and throat biting. I sprayed with a hose; no effect. I BEAT it with a piece of bamboo; no effect. I shot it twice; and it did not release. A few moments after the second shot it released and ran towards the fence to get out but fell dead. The second never got a chance to go into full attack mode. I popped it and it ran off.

"Intelligent people" also know that if you have a vicious animal in your yard you are well within your right to put it down if you feel it to be a threat. Your preconcieved notion that everyone who has to shoot a pit bull is some sort of redneck inbred gloryhound makes you as ignorant as your neighbor.

And speaking of tough guys and their guns; your comment:

Originally Posted by Surplus Shooter

I had a similar " tough guy " TRY to shoot my Pit , who was in my fenced back yard . Just so happened that I was home that particular day and my trusty 1911 and I "coached " this moron with his .22 rifle as to the error of his ways when I saw him pointing the rifle at my dog , over my fence. It was AMAZING how quickly he learned to understand English , when I caught him attempting to shoot my dog ,when he THOUGHT no one was home !

really sounds alot like bragging to me. It's a good thing you had your "trusty" 1911. You sure showed him didn't you bubba? BTW did you call the cops and report the neighbor for a firearms violation?

What a jackhole. I expect your time here will be very short indeed.

[Texan]

I pulled my "concealed carry" for the first time in a year this past weekend over a Pit Bull dog. Was on my motorcycle headed back to the shop to work on a couple bikes. Pulled up to the stop sign close to the shop and all of a sudden hear a dog moving up on me fast, growling and a ladies voice screaming for him to come back, what the "F" ever his name was. I turned to see this, I mean, one big Pit bearing down on me fast...I pulled the .40 out and was just about to unload on him when all of a sudden he turned and headed back to the lady.

I sat there for a couple of seconds getting my thoughts together when I hear a womans voice asking me if she could approach me. She apologized over and over again for the dog. Guess it wasn't hers but the boy friends and she thanked me over and over for not shooting him.

Would have been hard to pull the trigger but I was ready to.

On the Rottweiler subject. I've had 3 males Rotts (all over 120#) over the past 18 years and all have been trained very well. Two have been PAWS (Patient Awareness and Wellness) dogs that were taken to children's hospitals on a monthly basis. I can tell you right now I do not know how any of 'em would have acted in case of a fire and the fear they would have shown...trained or not trained. Scooter, my current Rott, shows aggression now when somebody comes to the door...but he's protecting his domain. When I open the door he's a big pussy cat wanting to play with whoever it is. Bring a fire into the scenario ??? I don't know.

You know I saw a lot of bad Rotts while living up in the Chicago area. But tell ya what, you chain me to a fence out in the elements, don't feed or water me for a couple weeks and I'd be a bad a$$ too.

o~\o

[Casull]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surplus Shooter (Pit Bull...lethal weapon?)
First of all , to those "heroes " who brag about having shot Pit Bulls , you are some real pieces of work !

Bragging? Who? Me? No bragging here!

Let me tell you something you little piece of crap. When on 2 separate occasions I hear a pitbull in my fenced in back yard attacking my dog you are damn right that I have no qualms about having to or admitting to having to shoot them. The first one I killed deader than !t; the second got away and took off; but I hope, I really hope, that piece of of a dog bled out in his owners yard. Had I not been home that day sick from work that dog would have killed my lab.

I know what these dogs are capable of. These dogs weren't aggressive towards me either. But they were ferociously vicious towards my dog. That's their nature. I tried to get the first one out but he kept edging towards my lab. It went form growling to few quick bites to full blown in for the neck and throat biting. I sprayed with a hose; no effect. I BEAT it with a piece of bamboo; no effect. I shot it twice; and it did not release. A few moments after the second shot it released and ran towards the fence to get out but fell dead. The second never got a chance to go into full attack mode. I popped it and it ran off.

"Intelligent people" also know that if you have a vicious animal in your yard you are well within your right to put it down if you feel it to be a threat. Your preconcieved notion that everyone who has to shoot a pit bull is some sort of redneck inbred gloryhound makes you as ignorant as your neighbor.

And speaking of tough guys and their guns; your comment:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surplus Shooter (Pit Bull...lethal weapon?)
I had a similar " tough guy " TRY to shoot my Pit , who was in my fenced back yard . Just so happened that I was home that particular day and my trusty 1911 and I "coached " this moron with his .22 rifle as to the error of his ways when I saw him pointing the rifle at my dog , over my fence. It was AMAZING how quickly he learned to understand English , when I caught him attempting to shoot my dog ,when he THOUGHT no one was home !

really sounds alot like bragging to me. It's a good thing you had your "trusty" 1911. You sure showed him didn't you bubba? BTW did you call the cops and report the neighbor for a firearms violation?

What a jackhole. I expect your time here will be very short indeed.

+1 Bravo.

[Aqualung]

It's not the breed, but the breed's stereotype. It's the type of owners the breed attracks - those tough-guy gangstas that pick a dog who looks bad-ass and raises it to be just as mean. They could pick a golden retriever and train it to be just as bad, but unfortunately for the pit bull breeds, that's not what happens. So pit bulls (an umbrella term for a number of different breeds, actually) get all the bad reputation that should be going (exclusively) to the owners.

Pit bulls were one of the only breeds specifically bred NOT to attack humans. You don't want a dog fighter that will turn on humans, after all. It's bad raising that makes them attackers.

Haven't you guys ever watched the Dog Whisperer? :P Like 75% of that guy's dogs are pit bull breeds.

I've only ever owned three dogs in my life. Two of them were pit bulls, and those two were a lot more mellow and quite a bit easier to control than the third (a lab mix). That lab mix was gittery and uncertain, but the pit bulls were cool, intelligent, and loving. As I said, it's not the dog - it's the type of owner the dog attracts.