Pit Bull...lethal weapon?

[big shrek]

It strikes me that certain types of dogs like Pit Bulls & Rotty's need protection from idiot owners like the Michael Vick's of the world. Perhaps it is time to require owners of the ASPCA's "Dangerous Breeds" to get licenses to OWN and TRAIN certain types of dogs.

The reason I mention this is I've had to put down 5 Pit Bull dogs & 2 Rotty's in the last few years with my Fire Axe. We respond to a fire, get there, and get attacked by Pitts. This ain't good. The owners tend to get a bit irked, but I ask them if they prefer I kill the dogs or them for not training their dogs properly...I will allow ZERO attacks on my firefighters or myself...a dog attacks us, it dies. No court, no second chance, it has forfieted it's right to live by attacking a human.

I don't mind 'em chomping on burglars & whatnot, but they oughta have sense enough to listen to their owner and NOT attack firefighters. If a dog stops short and just barks a lot, that's no biggie...but if it continues...one hit with the handle...if it continues, I switch ends. It's pretty much standard proceedure for firefighters in the South...probably the same everywhere.

Sad part is that it could be prevented if owners would make sure their dogs can be called off....proper training is key.

If dog owners do not voluntarily train their animals properly eventually people will be required by law to take training and be licensed for "Dangerous Breeds" such as Pitts & Rottys. The dog pounds in most cities automatically euthanize "Dangerous Breeds" already...if owners continue to be negligent those breeds may end up being endangered species.

I own a Rotty & a German Shepard, both are trained for Search & Rescue, have been socialized with babies, children, cops, & firefighters...as SAR doggies they are trained to be NICE until commanded otherwise. As home protection they can be called off with a single word and they return to my side. Makes me wonder why most dog owners won't bother to do even the BASICS of dog training...

Ok, rant over...comments? Questions??

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Pit Bulls are ferocious animals. I have had to kill one and the other got away after I put atleast one round in him( saw blood). The catch is I shot them in my fenced in back yard where they entered to get after my dog. I also

Most places have strong ordinances against these dogs roaming free. Here it is a 1000$ fine for having a ferocious animal roaming free and another 1000$ fine if his rabies shot isn't current. So if you see one roaming in your yard SHOOT IT! Call animal control and let them track the owner down and fine his AZZ.

[billy]

i had one as a kid.
nice dog.
i have seen WAY too many that needed a bullet ASAP
those things can be killers

[GlockMeister]

They are usually only ferocious or vicious if they are bred that way. It isn't the animals fault someone decided to abuse them and/or make them fight to survive. Yes, they're primarily bred for dog fighting, but that isn't the animals fault. They can both give and take love just like any other breed of dog.

You put a man in the same stage and I guarantee you, even if that man was soft spoken and a chicken, if it comes down to kill or be killed, they to will fight to survive. It's basic instinct of survival.

I feel for any abused animal, no matter the breed. Yes, if one ventures into my yard, teeth showing, I'll have to shoot it. That said, it doesn't mean I'll feel good or have to feel good about doing it. The animal didn't become that way on its' own.

Big Shrek, I feel for you having to do that, no matter what the reason is. As an animal lover yourself, it has to hurt and anger you. I personally wish the owners could be taken out instead of the dog. After all, my opinion, they're the reason the dog is that way it is anyhow, again, my opinion. So Big Shrek, you continue to do what you have to do to do your job, to protect yourself and your fellow firemen. Just do me a favor and when you can, BIOTCH SLAP one or two of there owners will ya. lmao

Just my 2 cents worth.

[ArkansasHunter]

I told my neighbor across the road Saturday if the 2 Pitts ever come over the fense into my yard and looked like they were going to do some harm I would kill them grave yard dead !!
My son when he was a LEO here had more problems with Pitt Bull dogs in the Hood than any dog he came in contact with fortunity he didn't have to put one down.
I don't entirely hate the breed, but they have been on the news alot due to mauling or killing so I can't trust them.
A.H

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by big shrek

It strikes me that certain types of dogs like Pit Bulls & Rotty's need protection from idiot owners like the Michael Vick's of the world. Perhaps it is time to require owners of the ASPCA's "Dangerous Breeds" to get licenses to OWN and TRAIN certain types of dogs.

The reason I mention this is I've had to put down 5 Pit Bull dogs & 2 Rotty's in the last few years with my Fire Axe. We respond to a fire, get there, and get attacked by Pitts. This ain't good. The owners tend to get a bit irked, but I ask them if they prefer I kill the dogs or them for not training their dogs properly...I will allow ZERO attacks on my firefighters or myself...a dog attacks us, it dies. No court, no second chance, it has forfieted it's right to live by attacking a human.

I don't mind 'em chomping on burglars & whatnot, but they oughta have sense enough to listen to their owner and NOT attack firefighters. If a dog stops short and just barks a lot, that's no biggie...but if it continues...one hit with the handle...if it continues, I switch ends. It's pretty much standard proceedure for firefighters in the South...probably the same everywhere.

Sad part is that it could be prevented if owners would make sure their dogs can be called off....proper training is key.

If dog owners do not voluntarily train their animals properly eventually people will be required by law to take training and be licensed for "Dangerous Breeds" such as Pitts & Rottys. The dog pounds in most cities automatically euthanize "Dangerous Breeds" already...if owners continue to be negligent those breeds may end up being endangered species.

I own a Rotty & a German Shepard, both are trained for Search & Rescue, have been socialized with babies, children, cops, & firefighters...as SAR doggies they are trained to be NICE until commanded otherwise. As home protection they can be called off with a single word and they return to my side. Makes me wonder why most dog owners won't bother to do even the BASICS of dog training...

Ok, rant over...comments? Questions??

Do any puppy pushers out there have an educated comment? I started one but felt a comment from someone who has a profession with dogs would be better served.

Originally Posted by ArkansasHunter

I told my neighbor across the road Saturday if the 2 Pitts ever come over the fense into my yard and looked like they were going to do some harm I would kill them grave yard dead !!
My son when he was a LEO here had more problems with Pitt Bull dogs in the Hood than any dog he came in contact with fortunity he didn't have to put one down.
I don't entirely hate the breed, but they have been on the news alot due to mauling or killing so I can't trust them.
A.H

While I agree they can be vicious and maul people, so can a Pontiac or a Cadillac... but I don't see those pressed by the news media as vicious killers?

I would believe that in any excitable situation such as a fire, etc... any dog can become vicious quickly from a Poodle to a Great Dane just from their own fear alone.

[K75RT]

My daughter has 4 dogs, all have been rescued from idiots that should never have been allowed to own dogs. Her Rotti/Pitt female is an absolute sweety just don't raise your voice or your hands! Her Black lab is a great watch dog hellish bark but a sweet disposition. Her other two chocolate labs are good watch dogs but lack any aggression. She has a large horse stable with lots of equipment in a rural setting. Dogs properly trained are a blessing, dogs improperly utilized are a negative.... please insert gun for dog and again it comes back to the OWNER

[.22hustler]

I know I'll catch h*ll for it but I'm sure glad I don't live near any of the dog-killing fire-fighters. The dogs are scared sh+tless to start with because of a fire, and to add to this there's a whole bunch of strangers on HIS property that he is supposed to be guarding. On my property, you don't have to be afraid of the my three dogs. I have them under proper control.. You have to be careful of me.If you're going to attempt to kill one of my dogs, on my property, you sure the h+ll better be a LEO. Anything less than that, come armed, as I will be.

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by .22hustler

I know I'll catch h*ll for it but I'm sure glad I don't live near any of the dog-killing fire-fighters. The dogs are scared sh+tless to start with because of a fire, and to add to this there's a whole bunch of strangers on HIS property that he is supposed to be guarding. On my property, you don't have to be afraid of the my three dogs. I have them under proper control.. You have to be careful of me.If you're going to attempt to kill one of my dogs, on my property, you sure the h+ll better be a LEO. Anything less than that, come armed, as I will be.

+1 there... as I would do the same with my home and property... I would venture to guess that if the animal has a way out, they rather go that way than through the firefighter.

[GlockMeister]

Also, most people. if there home when the fire starts, look for any animal to get them out also. So they couldn't even be an issue for anyone in that situation. But for those that aren't home, another story. Because of the nature of the dog, you can't just open the door and let it run free, then you've become the liable one, or rather the dept./city has.

It's a tough call either way. It's my honest belief those types of dogs don't chose to be that way, they're forced to be that way in order to simply survive. And that's just down right SAD.

And on another note, I'd add to the strangers coming into the house and property they're suppose to protect or guard wearing this strange and scary to them outfit. lol

[billy]

Originally Posted by .22hustler

I know I'll catch h*ll for it but I'm sure glad I don't live near any of the dog-killing fire-fighters. The dogs are scared sh+tless to start with because of a fire, and to add to this there's a whole bunch of strangers on HIS property that he is supposed to be guarding. On my property, you don't have to be afraid of the my three dogs. I have them under proper control.. You have to be careful of me.If you're going to attempt to kill one of my dogs, on my property, you sure the h+ll better be a LEO. Anything less than that, come armed, as I will be.

so let your house burn?
and you would blame a guy that is trying to save YOUR life that defends HIS life against a dog that is capable of killing him?

[ArkansasHunter]

My black lab that passed away this time last year I think would try to kill someone if he could have got to them.
He was the meanest dog I've ever been around and he just turned that way.
That dog was treated royaly.
We had to buy a kennel or fear being sued. This dog made me leary of other dogs to the point and I hate to say it, but I get seriously concerned around big dogs and especialy Pitt Bulls.

[billy]

a scary situation indeed!
fighting a fire and an attacking pitbull at the same time?
yikes!

and an owner with a gun that wants to kill you!

at least put up WARNING ATTACK DOG signs so they know not to try to enter your burning house.

having an animal that is that strong and that capable is problematic.

now that i am older i dont like or trust rotts or pitbulls.
you cannot know what they were bred for if you just see one.

[GlockMeister]

Originally Posted by billy

so let your house burn?
and you would blame a guy that is trying to save YOUR life that defends HIS life against a dog that is capable of killing him?

And I was merely commenting on how the dogs are also probably scared by the big guys with weapons of a sort (in the dogs mind that is), and face masks and the hissing of the respirators. If thats what you were talking about when you said let your house burn?

And honestly, as for my/our house, sometimes I wish this house would burn. But of course I'd like to get all us and our stuff out first. It's our own personal money pit I tell you what. Now I would never do anything to intentionally do it. Besides, my luck, I'd only get caught and not get any insurance and then get fined, have to pay for all the fire stuff and then have to do time. lol

On another similar note, one of the police officers I know, who's also on the cities SWAT team, has to do that to the dogs when they serve search warrants and or do raids on dope houses. Says it's hard to do, but you have to protect the team. He's even said it's not the dogs faut they are the way they are, but it's them or him and his unit. Usually him since he's the first one in the door due to having to take a dog out if there is one.

[billy]

yeah
at that point it doesnt matter if it is the sweetest 140 lb. rotty in the world .
it is scared and stronger than you are and can kill you.

[damage855]

With a powerfull breed of dog comes more responsibility, simulair to owning firearms. Some idiots,like michael vick, should not have any dogs. I have two bulldogs greet goods very friendly never once attepted to do more than bark at another person, but they do have the power to do harm if they decided or needed to. so I take resposibility and they stay in the home with me and the wife and when they go outside they go out in the back yard that has been fenced in with 6ft chainlink fence. I take resposibilty that way same as I lock my firearms in a safe. ten years ago it was rotty's that where attacking everyone before that it was german shepards, now it is pit-bulls, in a few more years it looks like it will be akita's its just a matter of what breed is popular with the crack heads and idiots nothing more. just my 2 cents.

[.22hustler]

Well, I didn't get slammed as bad as I thought I would, and to that I say "thank you" for letting me speak my mind. Any type of animal can go off, especially when put into a situation when there no retreat avenue, or when they are scared silly.Rotts and pits have gotten horrible rap, but I believe it's the owners who are at fault, MOST OF THE TIME. The ghetto thugs have destroyed these two breeds to the point of many states trying to ban them. If my memory serves me well, didn't the Little Rascals have a pit named "Petey"? I've posted here before of how my father-in-law shot and killed one of two dogs that attacked him on his own property. He was arrested and charged with several counts, including cruelty to animals, discharge of a firearm within town limits, and discharge of a firearm within 1000 feet of a school. He plea-bargained down to one charge, plead guilty to a misdemeanor, paid restitution to the owner, and placed on probation. The owner of the dogs was ticketed for allowing dogs to roam free, $25 bucks. So please try to understand that your actions can be illegal when you kill that dog. I have all the admiration for the folks who put their lives on the line for us, whether it be a GI, a LEO, or a volunteer fireman.Yes, the dogs are scared, the public servant is pumped up with adrenalin, but please don't hack up one of my buddies. Check my avatar. The biggest one there is 90lbs, and he wouldn't bite a steak. I was going to close with saying that if you hack into one of my dogs, that red dot on your chest might be the last thing you'll ever remember, but that would be flexing my computer muscles, like so many of us do, and it would probaly never happen.Thanks for giving me my rant, and for being civil to me.. I appreciate that immensely. I used to go to several other forums, and there can be found the most hateful discussions imaginable. I always come back to here, and I have wittled down my involvement to only two forums. I like it here, and say "thank you" once again...Loren

[billy]

well
we are pretty friendly here bud!

[.22hustler]

Billy, I knew that, and thank you for it!!

[elmer fudd]

i dont think its the dog no dog domestic dog is vicious to start out with until the owner makes em that way