Obama's 'Elitism' Issue

[LarryO1970]

Cyrille ... strangely, he defends the Democrats yet says he is backing McCain.

Obama and Klinton will attempt to strip us of our 2nd Amendment as soon as they possibly can. It is easier to control unarmed subjects than armed citizens. Let's not kid ourselves, this is what is wanted...

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Cyrille ... strangely, he defends the Democrats yet says he is backing McCain.

Obama and Klinton will attempt to strip us of our 2nd Amendment as soon as they possibly can. It is easier to control unarmed subjects than armed citizens. Let's not kid ourselves, this is what is wanted...

Larry they are also dumbing us down as well. An un-educated society can not defend them self either. If we are too dumb, or apathetic to make a change then we are doomed even with our guns.


I hear a lot of democrat bashing on this forum. I am curious if any of you have a stance on Iraq and Iran. McCain will ensure more war, and more tax dollars spent and out sourced and our economy at that point will crash. It happened to the Russians with Afghanistan and it can happen to us as well.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by troy2000

I suppose the number of people who think pointing out the difference between a Nazi and a Communist is just 'splitting hairs' is just another indication of how uninformed the average American is.

That's like saying a Muslim, a Christian and a Jew are all pretty much the same thing. Go to the next neo-Nazi get-together in your neck of the woods, and see what happens when you tell them the difference between them and a Commie is just splitting hairs...

I think it is safe to say that both political movements are pretty much the antithesis to liberty and the ability to think and act freely. Just as saying Islam, Christiananity and Judaism are all religious movements.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by SPOCAHP ANAR

I think it is safe to say that both political movements are pretty much the antithesis to liberty and the ability to think and act freely. Just as saying Islam, Christiananity and Judaism are all religious movements.

The republicans and the Democrats are in cahoots with each other. They both lie and blame shift but in the end they all end up passing the same laws and regulations.

What they have accomplished is to divide the country in half and use labels like liberal and neo-conservative. Then you have people like Michael Moore and people like Ann Coulter who just have an agenda and blatantly lie and twist things for their cause, but really the government wins. Divide the nation, dumb them down, create labels and let them fight over morals they want to impose on the other party.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

The republicans and the Democrats are in cahoots with each other. They both lie and blame shift but in the end they all end up passing the same laws and regulations.

What they have accomplished is to divide the country in half and use labels like liberal and neo-conservative. Then you have people like Michael Moore and people like Ann Coulter who just have an agenda and blatantly lie and twist things for their cause, but really the government wins. Divide the nation, dumb them down, create labels and let them fight over morals they want to impose on the other party.

OK, but I've noticed that the more they fight, the less they do. The less they do, the less money they seem to spend. The less they do the less stupid legislation gets passed.

Let 'em have at it.

[TXplt]

I firmly believe the information manipulation to be a very serious threat. Hitler had Goebels--this was extremely effective. Michael Moore makes an interesting and entertaining product (which raises most of our blood pressure a bit...), but it's never been a "documentary." -- moore of an agenda with pictures and sound bytes cleverly thrown together. The larger question (no pun intended) is how much of our own news media figures out where their stance is on an issue, and then gets "facts" to back this up vice real objective reporting ? And who controls most of the infomation getting into our houses via radio, newspaper, cable and TV ? Is it truly a cross section of independent sources, or a few major conglomorates who have their policies dictated to them by a couple of people ? THIS is what we need be wary of.

[Cyrille]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

Larry they are also dumbing us down as well. An un-educated society can not defend them self either. If we are too dumb, or apathetic to make a change then we are doomed even with our guns.

I agree, I may not be the "sharpest axe in the shed" but it doesn't take a
genius or a madman to see the dismal shape our education system is in
I have nephews that are funtionally illerate. even though they have managed to somehow graduate from high school!

I hear a lot of democrat bashing on this forum. I am curious if any of you have a stance on Iraq and Iran. McCain will ensure more war, and more tax dollars spent and out sourced and our economy at that point will crash. It happened to the Russians with Afghanistan and it can happen to us as well.

Well yes, I have an opinion/stance on the Iraq/Iran situation--- GET THE HELL OUT! Whatever we do over there even if we can somehow emerge victorious will be undone in a matter of two or three years if not sooner.
I do not believe those people want democracy in any way shape or form and will revert back to a theocracy as soon as we leave. If they did want democracy they would have taken it on themselves to make it so.

[SPOCAHP ANAR]

Originally Posted by mitch_mckee

OK, but I've noticed that the more they fight, the less they do. The less they do, the less money they seem to spend. The less they do the less stupid legislation gets passed.

Let 'em have at it.

++1

Which is exactly why I say Bill Clinton was good for our country; He and the republicans fought so much they didn'y have much time to F@&* us.

[tlarkin]

Moore is not a bad guy, but he does twist his points.

Roger and Me was an excellent film that really depicted what it was like when the giant car companies closed up shop and ruined that town. That movie was awesome, and I tip my hat to him for doing a great job and calling down big business for screwing over the hard working Americans of Flint Michigan.

The last film I saw of him was the one on health care, and while I agreed with so many of his points, I know that he did twist them, that wasn't a full documentary. I know in his 9/11 movie he mis quoted people with some tricky film editing.

Ann Coulter on the other hand......man......words can not describe how crazy and ridiculous that woman is. She scares me, and what even scares me more is she is popular enough. O'rielly is a fake, and Rush is a big fat idiot.

Hillary was against the giant business of health care as first lady. She even scared the health care business so bad that they hit her hard for cash, and bought her off. She was literally bought off for just under 1 million dollars in cash, and they contribute to her campaign fund still. They have shut her mouth on the subject, though her mouth tends to flap back open at times.

Big business is bigger than our government and controls it. Almost all the bills they pass are not for the better goods of the common man, they are to benefit the rich and powerful.

The problem is so wide spread and nicely calculated by our mass media that we grown men on this forum who are all mostly of middle class can't even compromise with our believes to make it better for everyone else.

There is no way to change anything over night and no law or president can do that. It will take time, a lot of time to fix everything wrong in this nation. It needs to reform at the government though to put everything else back in line.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

In my opinion Mr. Troy if one considers the nazi party worse than the communist party or the communist party worse than the nazi party it makes no diffrence what the ideaology of either party was or is; it is my opinion that either of the two people running for the demoncratic (emphsis mine) party nomination are no better and may be a whole lot worse than the two people who became infamous as leaders of their respective parties! I hold these truths to be self-evident that the demoncratic party and their ilk will not rest until they have stripped the U.S citizenry of any and every vestiage of personal and political freedom! That sir, is my opinion! I realize ,sir, that there are bad apples in every party G.O.P. as well as the other, why do you insist on backing either of the two worst choices for leadership of this country? I can only hope, sir, that you come to your senses before you learn to your sorrow that you have backed the wrong people.

Cyrille, about 43% of the voters in this country are registered as members of the Democratic Party, as opposed to about 33% who are registered as Republicans. Equating the Democratic Party and that 43% of American voters with either the Nazi Party or the Communist Party means you've been thoroughly and sadly brainwashed, by people demonizing the political opposition for their own purposes.

If you honestly believe damn near half the registered voters in the country are the equivalent of Nazis or Communists, or the dupes of leaders who are the equivalent of Nazis or Communists, I see very little chance of even having an intelligent conversation with you about politics. Or anything else, for that matter.

And for the umpteenth time: I'm probably voting for McCain, because I don't think having Democrats in charge of both Congress and the White House would work out any better than having Republicans in charge of both did. So kindly stop lecturing me about who I'm supporting, unless you want me to vote "none of the above..."

[TXplt]

In my humble opinion, Mr. Moore IS one VERY BAD GUY. You might want to look at how he twisted and took out of context good people's words on the F911 propaganda, or how he acts personally. Good people don't perpetuate lies. I believe he's one worthless oxygen and food thief. But that's just the opinion of one person who actually cares about where our country is going.

Please take this constructively, TL, (and I mean no disrespect) but I'd suggest that you might control a great deal more of your own destiny than you believe you do. You may wish to exploit that. I'd humbly suggest that we, as a nation, might want to stop whining about how big "this" and big "that" are screwing "the working man" and screwing us, and get out and make something of ourselves. Government mostly needs to get out of the way while we do the "American" thing and make something of ourselves and our own lives. Spending a life crying in our beer is relatively unproductive.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by LarryO1970

Cyrille ... strangely, he defends the Democrats yet says he is backing McCain.

Obama and Klinton will attempt to strip us of our 2nd Amendment as soon as they possibly can. It is easier to control unarmed subjects than armed citizens. Let's not kid ourselves, this is what is wanted...

Larry, I'm defending the truth. I suppose that would be a strange concept to some people, who are more interested in just smearing the opposition by any means possible.

And don't misunderstand me: I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket for Congress. I just want McCain as a counterweight, to keep them at least a little more honest than the Republicans were under Bush.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Cyrille, about 43% of the voters in this country are registered as members of the Democratic Party, as opposed to about 33% who are registered as Republicans. Equating the Democratic Party and that 43% of American voters with either the Nazi Party or the Communist Party means you've been thoroughly and sadly brainwashed, by people demonizing the political opposition for their own purposes.

If you honestly believe damn near half the registered voters in the country are the equivalent of Nazis or Communists, or the dupes of leaders who are the equivalent of Nazis or Communists, I see very little chance of even having an intelligent conversation with you about politics. Or anything else, for that matter.

And for the umpteenth time: I'm probably voting for McCain, because I don't think having Democrats in charge of both Congress and the White House would work out any better than having Republicans in charge of both did. So kindly stop lecturing me about who I'm supporting, unless you want me to vote "none of the above..."

Just to credit you, I think that having opposing parties in Congress and the Exec Branch is best for us folks. Esp true if Congress is so divided that none of the petty, expensive crap gets through.

I figure that if the pols are fighting each other, it's better for us real folks.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by TXplt

In my humble opinion, Mr. Moore IS one VERY BAD GUY. You might want to look at how he twisted and took out of context good people's words on the F911 propaganda, or how he acts personally. Good people don't perpetuate lies. I believe he's one worthless oxygen and food thief. But that's just the opinion of one person who actually cares about where our country is going.

Please take this constructively, TL, (and I mean no disrespect) but I'd suggest that you might control a great deal more of your own destiny than you believe you do. You may wish to exploit that. I'd humbly suggest that we, as a nation, might want to stop whining about how big "this" and big "that" are screwing "the working man" and screwing us, and get out and make something of ourselves. Government mostly needs to get out of the way while we do the "American" thing and make something of ourselves and our own lives. Spending a life crying in our beer is relatively unproductive.

I am 27 and make more money that most people my age. I am established and have nearly a decade in my field of experience. I do a lot with my life. I am someone who is actually talking the talk and walking the walk. At the inner city school district I work at we deployed a 1:1 laptop:student ratio. Meaning every single kid has his own laptop to take home with them and use in their education. I am actually helping these kids get the **** out of the ghetto. At least they will have 4 years of hands on computer experience out of high school, which can land them a decent enough job where they could actually maybe support them self. Maybe some of them will not deter to crime and try to make it. Some of them don't understand their chances and privileges with this program but a good portion of them do. Hell, I would have killed for my own personal laptop in High School.

If you don't stand up to big business no one else will. Though he did twist his 9/11 movie he brings up very valid points that were never really answered by the Bush administration. While I do not believe it was a conspiracy because that is just plain ludicrous, I do believe a lot of facts were left out. The Bush administration also plainly and obviously lied to us. I never even bothered watching F9/11 because I knew what it was before I watched it. I have seen Moore speak, read a few of his books, and watched a few of his films. He is on the same level as Rush or O'rielly but just on a different end of the spectrum. Ann Coulter is just like him as well, except I think she takes the cake for being the craziest one.

What are you going to say when they out source your job? Oh, don't blame big business, because they want to make money. Will you blame it on the government? immigration? Big business? What happens when our economy goes to crap and our privatized health care system goes along with it. Hospitals are already going out of business in this country. What are you going to do when a Hospital closes down near you? Some small towns hospitals don't even carry rabies shots any more. Did you know that? It is because they are too expensive and it is really not all that too common. Only the major ones carry anti venoms and disease shots because of how expensive it is. Ignore these problems now, but when you need them and they are gone, don't get angry because you let it happen.

I mean you are just calling the kettle black on this one when you say Moore does nothing but lie, when everyone else who is in the same game as he, do the exact same thing. Just read one of Coulter's books, or look into what Bill O'rielly claims to be and what he really is. They are all liars with agendas.

The one thing I like about Moore is he seems to twist his ideas to at least help the common man. Though I lump him in the same category as Ann Coulter, he isn't screaming patriot act, rights stripped, and killing all Muslims or inciting a holy war like she is. He is also a member of the NRA hahaha, did you know that?

You also have this backwards ass uber patriotic freedom hating attitude about yourself that comes off as saying that if I disagree with your moral stance on something then I must hate America and freedom. Why do people even get these labels? Why do Liberals get these labels? Then you are going to act like you are taking the high road because you love this country more than me? I am not even a complete liberal, I am actually liberal conservative.

This country is screwed because old fools can't accept change. Bigger issues are hitting our nation that need to be addressed yet you allow yourself to be manipulated by the media machine, and in this case it is turning you right wing, which is what they want. Iraq and Iran, poverty, education, and economy are the biggest issues in our country, that will turn our country into a third world nation if not addressed soon. These issues are also some what inter related. Our economy for the first time in like 100 years actually just finally fell below Europe's, and we can think the current administration for their over spending, and for congress and the house allowing it.

[jimkim]

The government that governs least governs best. T. Jefferson That was paraphrased. It is still true. Stay out of my pocket and don't tell me how to live and well get along fine.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by jimkim

The government that governs least governs best. T. Jefferson That was paraphrased. It is still true. Stay out of my pocket and don't tell me how to live and well get along fine.

Jim while I totally agree with you, who is going to make sure everyone plays nice? I'd be OK with anarchy and no government if everyone would play nice with each other, but thats not going to happen any time soon. It is a catch 22, and while I do like the old school republican party, what they have become is no longer republican. They have shifted their whole party, and the democrats are just a bunch of little PC cry babies that try to fix everything with a band-aid.

[mitch_mckee]

tlarkin,

Yer just a pup. At least try to listen to old guys who KNOW stuff.

Yer friend,
Mitch

[alaskamonte]

Time For None Of The Above and Jesse Ventura!

YouTube - JESSE VENTURA BLASTS HANNITY & COLMES...

[jimkim]

I'm glad you agree with me and Thomas Jefferson.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Cyrille

I can only hope, sir, that you come to your senses before you learn to your sorrow that you have backed the wrong people.

The very sad reality of it, is, we all believe we are supporting the best candidate until he gets elected and then proves us wrong.