Hilary vs. Obama

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by Big Dog

If everyone who plans to NOT VOTE because he/she doesn't like either the Dems or the GOP would vote for Ron Paul, we could see some real and positive change.
We CAN make our votes count if we have the cojones to get out and DO IT!!

I thought Ron Paul was still running as a Republican.

Originally Posted by tlarkin

No Mitch, I am well aware of what I believe in. I am more of a Liberal Conservative if you want to get technical about it, however I am a registered Independent and I do vote for whomever I think is best, or I vote for whatever I think is right on county and city votes.

I hate both extremes, but I do sit there and listen to them and read their writings. Mainly because I am a big fan of know your enemy type of philosophy. I also don't buy in to a lot of crap that is going on in the media and politics.

I belong to no party, nor do I cater to either side. I am however, liberal in my views which is why you assume that I am a liberal, and your assumptions on some of what I think is true. I am a liberal on certain subjects, and in others I am conservative.

Perhaps this concept just seems too odd for you, and you need to label me as a left wing nut so you can better understand it. When you label something you negate it.

Liberal Conservative?

Sounds like you are a little bit pregnant.

If that is not personal confusion, what is?

[9mmfan]

A liberal Conservative? Hmmm, now that's term you don't hear everyday. Kind of sounds like a term used to describe a lot of two faced politicians. When the politician is in a conservative state he pretends to be a conservative, when the politician is in a northern liberal state, they become a liberal.
Unfortunately, that sounds like a lot politicians.

I'm a independent also, but I'm a conservative independent.

[knightRider]

wow i love gunandgame !

[tlarkin]

That is the problem your narrow scope of views of what liberal and conservative mean. To you they are labels, but to me they are adjectives, and I use them to describe my views.

That was also a "technically if you must label it" type of thing. I am truly an Independent, and registered to vote as an Independent.

I am glad you think I am two faced, and that you had to bold and enlarge your text.

[LarryO1970]

tlarkin ... if someone disagrees with you, they are wrong. THAT is now you see everything...

Cyrano was right about you ...

[tlarkin]

Larry,

I was never even once talking to you in this thread, nor did I ever say anyone was wrong...

..And by the way, you are calling the kettle black on that one bud.

[LarryO1970]

Number one... I am NOT your bud. Try to make an attempt at being respectful. Have I done that to you? Are we straight here?

Number two, ... vote for your liberal conservative (whatever the F that is) of choice... then, don't even think to complain when our 2nd Amendment is attacked from the left.

Number three... you are not going to get everyone to "conform" to your ideals. We all believe what we believe... but it naive on your part to believe everyone should conform to you... or you'll simply ignore them in the future. That sounds like something a grade school student would do.

[knightRider]

i feel bad for democrats , i really do ... i mean it . but i also feel bad for some republicans too. but mostly for the lib's i feel really really sad for ...... poor lib's need their welfare state and to take my guns away <----- that rhymes sweet

[tlarkin]

Larry,

Respect is earned not given you should know that probably better than I do. Secondly, I never once went out of my way to argue one sentence with you this thread, yet you keep baiting me and trying to get me to argue. Why is that? Why?

You say you respect me, yet bash me in a very passive aggressive way. The bud comment was sarcasm. So I don't know why you want to scream respect and then bash me in a very direct but passive aggressive way, and then compare me to a grade schooler? You are already name calling, and resorting to labels, which shows how closed off you are on the subject of which I am speaking to begin with.

Again your scope of what liberal and conservative mean are labels, and I don't use them as labels, because they were never meant to be labels of a political party but how you viewed certain things.


You are utmost incorrect when you imply I want everyone to conform to my beliefs. Please go back and actually reread my posts. I was the one that told the original poster of this thread to figure everything out for them self. I never once told him he shouldn't vote if he didn't agree with me. I never once said he has to conform to my ideas. I told him to read from many sources, talk to lots of people, watch it from several different news sources, and then make your own conclusion. How you could possibly deduct and conclude that I am preaching conformity from that is beyond me. I don't see why you need to call me out and attack me when I was never even talking to you in the first place, then passively aggressively bash me and then call me a child.

I don't think I really acted childish at all in this thread and I think for the most part I was pretty mature. If that was not what you think, then I appollogize for that, because I do try to keep it at a mature level.

If you can not grasp that someone in this country could actually have both liberal and conservative views then I can't really say much further. I wish for once people would not follow political parties like they do sports teams.

So, do we really need to keep discussing this, because it is obviously going no where, and I am tired of arguing over split hairs with you and mitch. The minute I mention anything I am labeled and name called by both of you as a liberal, socialist, communist, pregnant (no idea what that meant), anti-patriotic american, and that I must hate my rights and my freedoms.

None of which is true. I am at least up front with you, don't passively aggressively try to bash you and I don't pick out two words of each of your sentences and twist them around. Nor, do I PM you to argue even more after you drop it.

Like I said, I may not agree with some people's views but that doesn't mean I do not respect the right for them to have them, but that does not mean I respect everyone.

So, seriously man, on a serious level, can we both just drop it and move on?

[LarryO1970]

tlarkin ... I never called you a liberal, that was your self proclamation in post #37. Prove to me when I ever called you that... and if you reference #47 ... you are wrong since it was already proclaimed.

I have no problem dropping this conversation... however, prove to me I was ever disrespectful to you.

[tlarkin]

Inferences can easily be made, and you are very passive aggressive. You aren't coming out and saying it (though I wish you would its better that way) but instead saying so and so was right about you, or your leftist views, or go ahead and vote liberal and the left will come and eat your babies (that was sarcasm). You let someone else name call me first, then you jump in and agree with them and say how right they are. Which is passive aggressive, and is transitive to bashing in my mind anyway. I don't mind if you disagree with me or even have a beef with me. That is fine everyone is allowed their opinion. Just don't hide behind someone else's comments and then lecture me about respect, be up front about it. I won't get angry nor take it personal.

No, I do not claim to be a neo liberal, peta card carrying member, baby killing, take all your money for taxes, hippy. I said I had liberal views. there was no self proclaiming of that any where. I dislike a lot of what some liberals stand for.

I do not need to prove it to you, it will just start more arguing. Let us just drop it for once.

[LarryO1970]

I thought you'd say that... you simply cannot accept responsibility and feel the need to blame others for your short-fall.

[TexasT]

Here's an idea: instead of criticizing each other about who they're voting for, why don't we just applaud each other for exercising their right to vote for whoever they dayum well please.

[Windwalker]

Yeah, fellows this seems to be getting a little heated and beginning to sound personal. Lets talk about guns awhile.

[9mmfan]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

That is the problem your narrow scope of views of what liberal and conservative mean. To you they are labels, but to me they are adjectives, and I use them to describe my views.

That was also a "technically if you must label it" type of thing. I am truly an Independent, and registered to vote as an Independent.

I am glad you think I am two faced, and that you had to bold and enlarge your text.

First of all, I never called you "two faced" I made it very clear I was referring to "Two Faced Politicians".

Secondly, I do not have a "narrow scope of views". I'm registered as a Independent, I do a lot of research before I state my opinion. So how could I have a "narrow scope of views" like you claim?

Third, most all of my posts are in large & bold print.
Before you respond to a post maybe you should try reading it and comprehending what someone really says first.

I hate to break the news to you: Everyone is not out to get you or put you down. Personally, I could care less who you vote for or what your political view is.

[TexasT]

Here's another idea....

/thread

[LEE3370]

9mmfan,
I love your bold, large posts.
I don't have to get my trifocals up to the screen to read what you have to say. I can set back and drink my coffee while I read yours.
Now if we could only get everyone else to do it.

[9mmfan]

Originally Posted by LEE3370

9mmfan,
I love your bold, large posts.
I don't have to get my trifocals up to the screen to read what you have to say. I can set back and drink my coffee while I read yours.
Now if we could only get everyone else to do it.

Thanks Lee.....lol

[Windwalker]

LOL, yeah Lee, I have trouble with some of the fine print too.
Tlarkin, thanks for defining passive aggressive in post #51. I now understand how you are using the term. I also had a little trouble with the term liberal conservative as most folks tend to pick the one term that covers the majority of their beliefs. I am a Conservative Democrat [maybe the last one in existence as I never hear from any others] but on rare occasions do favor a particular piece of liberal legislation so as I understand your term I guess it could fit me. I have never voted a straight party ticket as I don't believe any party has all the best candidates.
Each and everyone has the right to post their thoughts and beliefs here and the differences of opinions make the reading interesting.

[LEE3370]

Originally Posted by Windwalker

LOL, yeah Lee, I have trouble with some of the fine print too.
Tlarkin, thanks for defining passive aggressive in post #51. I now understand how you are using the term. I also had a little trouble with the term liberal conservative as most folks tend to pick the one term that covers the majority of their beliefs. I am a Conservative Democrat [maybe the last one in existence as I never hear from any others] but on rare occasions do favor a particular piece of liberal legislation so as I understand your term I guess it could fit me. I have never voted a straight party ticket as I don't believe any party has all the best candidates.
Each and everyone has the right to post their thoughts and beliefs here and the differences of opinions make the reading interesting.

I guess I might be a Conservative Democrat also. I think of myself as a conservative but am registered as a Democrat to vote. Also, I have never voted a straight ticket.
AND
Think of how dull and boring this would be if everyone had the same opinion.

Statement......
I agree......
+1........
That is the way I think also.

Statement......
I agree......
+1........
That is the way I think also.

BORING

it is just the ones that I don't agree with that shouldn't be posted. ;OD