Hilary vs. Obama

[msmforever69]

I don't feel like doing too much research. I'm voting democrat for sure. Someone tell me out of hilary and obama, who is more lenient on gun laws so i can vote for them.

[ArkansasHunter]

I wished you would reconsider and vote Republican this time. Though they SUCK too !!! I really don't beleive Hillary or Obama has good intentions in regards towards the People of this nation and our Rights.
They have there own personal agenda that does not fit the life style were a custom too.
But if someone put a gun to my wifes head or my son to make me choose one of the 2 to vote for it would be Hillary.
Excuse me I have to go PUKE now...A.H

[GlockMeister]

Sorry to hear that. You have every right to vote for whom ever you choose. But remember this. Democrats more than likely will = a ban on many firearms, possible other 2nd Amendment restrictions,higher taxes,and who knows what else.

I know many are pissing and moaning about Bush. Mostly because of the war in Iraq. That doesn't mean McCain will be as bad or do as bad or do worse. My personal opinion, I'm not really sure who I'm voting for. I know who I'm leaning towards.

After Obama's comments the other night in San Fransisco before heading to Pennsylvania about small town Americans or whatever tend to turn to their guns or their religion or immigration out of frustration because of the economy. Sorry for this, But what an ASS. Then there's the Reverend Wright thing. You know dam well Obama never got up and walked out when this obviously racist man preached. You know this Reverend never changed the way he preached when he saw or knew Obama was in the audience. That's who he was and who he is. Can't change overnight. My personal opinion, this Reverend Wright had A LOT of influence over Obama.

Hillary, well I just don't like her first off. I don't trust her. She has commented she'd be happy if the 2nd Amendment was just done away with. I don't like her voting record when it comes to firearms. I knew here move to get residence to become Senator in N.Y. was a move with an agenda, and that agenda I guess was to run for the President of the U.S.. Another concern I have with Hillary, is how much influence, true if any, will Bill have on or over her?

It's worth repeating, either Democratic candidate, no matter which it is, Obama or Hillary WILL most assuredly sign a all out weapons ban bill if it comes to their desk for signing.

Currently I believe, the House and the Senate are both controlled by the Democrats. If it stays that way, and a Democratic President is elected, they will pass what ever they want. There will be no stopping them, again, MHO.

Go ahead and vote for either one. When another weapons ban gets signed, don't act surprised. As it is now, individual states are doing what they can to screw law abiding responsible registered gun owners. Nothing no one does, gun ban or gun control or gun law wise, will ever affect a criminal or anyone wishing to use one/them to harm or kill another human being.

This is gonna get good. Going to go make some popcorn and get something to wash it down with...

[TXplt]

IMHO you get completely evil (ms. k) and dumb and buffoon (mr. o). Both are anti gun and both are gun grabbers. Both are prohibitionists when it comes to civilian firearms ownership; both would attempt to have no citizen in America own firearms. You choose.......hilary is more evil than o but that's an opinion. Either would strip any right of self defense, or right not to be searched.

[Big Dog]

Look at their Congressional voting records - BOTH have abysmal records on voting on Second-Amendment and firearms issues. BOTH support increasingly draconian anti-gun laws. This is a matter of record. I will vote for NEITHER, in ANY case or situation.

And I have it on good authority that Ms. Clinton can kill a puppy with her withering gaze . . .

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by Big Dog

Look at their Congressional voting records - BOTH have abysmal records on voting on Second-Amendment and firearms issues. BOTH support increasingly draconian anti-gun laws. This is a matter of record. I will vote for NEITHER, in ANY case or situation.

And I have it on good authority that Ms. Clinton can kill a puppy with her withering gaze . . .

+1 !

This turd doesn't smell as bad as that turd...........

I think ?!

That's what we've got............

[TexasT]

Your best bet is to go to CNN.com and go to the election center. You will find more information there. Most people here associate with the republican party and threads like this will incite them to tell you how bad both candidates are. In truth, they're all bad.

And voting for someone with out doing your research is BAD.

[jimkim]

These are mostly from the past but they are more accurate than what they will say now.The first group is from Clinton. The second is from Obama. As far as gun control goes I would say six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.”
Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000 Hillary Rodham Clinton offered her support for a legislative proposal to license hand guns. The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Charles Schumer, would require anyone who wants to purchase a gun to obtain a state-issued photo gun license. “I stand in support of this common sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun,” Clinton said. “I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.” Source: CNN.com Jun 2, 2000 "We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them." Source: hillary2000.org, “Gun Safety” Sep 9, 2000 Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities

Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we've had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We've got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We've got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren't loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they're not made in our communities. There aren't any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who've been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That's a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don't have it right now. Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair. Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barrack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions

• Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
• Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
• Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
• Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.

Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998

Well sorry that didnt post as well as I thought it would.

[Windwalker]

As far as their anti-gun agenda, Hillary and Obama are as alike as two peas in a pod. Either will outlaw all the guns they can. You will just have to make your own choice on this one. I am one of what appears to be the almost extinct Conservative Democratic Party, and I am tired of having to vote for the lesser of the evils. I can not support Hillary or Obama. Vote for the candidate of your choice.

[LarryO1970]

Windwalker.... ditto. Most, if not all... know my thoughts on Hillary and Obama concerning their gun control agendas.

Stock up now while you still have the chance... before the lid is slammed shut on our 2nd Amendment Right. These morons need to resign since what they are doing is contrary to their oath of office...

[blackhawk45]

Hitlary,and Obama, are BOTH RABIDLY ANTI-GUN,ANTI FREEDOM,ANTI AMERICAN.
JUST SAY NO IN NOVEMBER.

[9mmfan]

I thought the post that Larry put up in the humor forum was a pretty good one and worth repeating at this time:


22 Ways To Be A Good Democrat:

1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. Nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach fourth graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of his own money to make "The Passion of the Christ" for financial gain only.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison, and A.G. Bell.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides are not.

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a very nice person.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democrat Party funding by the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest of the United States .

21. You have to believe that this message is a part of a vast, right wing conspiracy.

22. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers the day off on Christmas Day .........but it's not okay to say "Merry Christmas."
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[knightRider]

+1 who in the heck is msmforever69 someone yell TROLL !!!!!! something just don't sit right here. Yeah Texas T , they don't want to research it just start a fight.

[LarryO1970]

Originally Posted by knightRider

+1 who in the heck is msmforever69 someone yell TROLL !!!!!! something just don't sit right here.

Kinda had the same thought myself...

[knightRider]

Glad I wasn't the only one.

[LarryO1970]

... could be genuine though, we all ask some "dumb" questions along the way.

... I apologize if I offended anyone with the "dumb" comment... in this PC society... lol...

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by msmforever69

I don't feel like doing too much research. I'm voting democrat for sure. Someone tell me out of hilary and obama, who is more lenient on gun laws so i can vote for them.

Neither.

[tlarkin]

Originally Posted by knightRider

+1 who in the heck is msmforever69 someone yell TROLL !!!!!! something just don't sit right here. Yeah Texas T , they don't want to research it just start a fight.

Troll, hmm, well maybe this link would explain it!

YouTube - Rick Roll

Don't feed the trolls!

[msmforever69]

Yea, I'm new to this forum. I'm just a 21 year old med student, and I recently got interested in purchasing a rifle or target shooting. I really don't have much time to keep up to date with politics, so I was just looking for a quick opinion between the two democrats. I can't vote for McCain, Bush supports him. The only conclusion I can draw from this thread, get the firearms before they get elected and just not vote because it won't matter.

Thanks for your comments and opinions.

[mitch_mckee]

Originally Posted by msmforever69

Yea, I'm new to this forum. I'm just a 21 year old med student, and I recently got interested in purchasing a rifle or target shooting. I really don't have much time to keep up to date with politics, so I was just looking for a quick opinion between the two democrats. I can't vote for McCain, Bush supports him. The only conclusion I can draw from this thread, get the firearms before they get elected and just not vote because it won't matter.

Thanks for your comments and opinions.

Good. If you are going to vote for Osama Obama or Billary then do America a favor and stay home election day.