Head-to-head: McCain and Obama

[GGReporter]

Side by-side comparison of positions of the two candidates.

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[Rave]

Although this article is very informative,it may be too political for those easily offended by the real world.
Your call,boss.
I remember when the Powder Keg got it's name,after I posted how the blacks in south St. Pete. Florida had been rioting and the media had taken to calling it a powder kek.
Lately it might be changed to the "Powder Room?"
Again,your call.
I just remember how it was.
No PCBS.
I do know that some abused it,some to the extreme,so I guess it is better this way,enjoy.

[Girlgun]

.. I found it really helpful with every issue side by side like that. I was actually surprised that the two were so similar on many issues. McCain seems fairly liberal for a conservative, at least he definitely swerves from Bush on several issues.
No surprises on gun issues; we all kinda knew where they both stand.
Still, I have to say that my ideal candidate doesn't seem to be running, nor does he or she actually exist so far as I know.

[Windwalker]

+1

[troy2000]

I'd be happier with more of this sort of stuff out there.

Just like I thought we could reject Hillary Clinton without having to endorse simpleminded beliefs that she and her husband are murderers, drug lords and Heaven knows what else, I think there's enough substance out there for people to choose between Obama and McCain without having to paint one or the other as an evil monster or incompetent simpleton.

I remain astonished by the way conservative Republicans trashed McCain in the past, simply for having the temerity to run against Bush. It's going to be interesting to see if they can now call the party faithful in and tell them, "sorry; we were just kidding before. McCain isn't really a liberal/DINO/Communist/socialist/pinko/tree-hugger wacko, and we'd pretty-please like you to vote for him this time around."

On the other side, we've had the Clintonistas painting Obama as incompetent, inexperienced and naive; anti-feminist; anti-Jewish and pro-Palestinian; racist; and Heaven knows what else. Now they're going to have to reverse course and start singing the man's praises.

This election may hinge on which group manages to back-pedal more graciously, or at least less painfully.

[Big Dog]

Changing Administrations in the Whitehouse is a lot like changing the diapers of a baby with diarhea.....

No matter how good it looks going on, you just know soon it'll be a whole different story.... !

[Cyrille]

Well said Big Dog, well said!

[Cyrano]

Troy, I do keep coming back to a couple of contrasts between the two candidates-presumptive. (It ain't official until after the conventions.)

McCain has 20 years of experience at the national level. Obama has less than two.

McCain is there voting yea or nay for most of the votes in Congress. Obama has not been; way too many of his 'votes' have been "present" votes.

McCain's wife is an effective businesswoman whose one failing is she does not want to release her tax returns. Understandable, given the way the jackals of the press corps behave. Obama's wife is on record as saying she has been ashamed to be an American for most of her adult life.

McCain was duped just like the rest of the Senate into supporting Bush's war in Iraq. He realizes that even though we shouldn't have started this fight, we do have to finish it, at least to the point of leaving a functioning government in place when we withdraw the majority of our troops. (He's honest enough to admit we will have to maintain a presence there, likely mostly air support and training, for years to come.) Obama likes to boast he was against the war - but Obama wasn't in the Senate in 2003. So just where does the liar get off comparing his position as a minor state legislator that had no foreign policy input, with McCain's position as a fairly senior Senator at that time?

McCain has a solid pro-Second Amendment record. Obama has a solidly anti-Second Amendment record. The votes are on file. It's not something Obama can weasel-word his way around. If he gets in, all our civil rights will be at risk, not just our right to keep and bear arms. If he'll go after one, the rest aren't safe either.

I would not have Obama as President if he came dipped in gold dust.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Cyrano

Troy, I do keep coming back to a couple of contrasts between the two candidates-presumptive. (It ain't official until after the conventions.)
McCain has 20 years of experience at the national level. Obama has less than two.
McCain is there voting yea or nay for most of the votes in Congress. Obama has not been; way too many of his 'votes' have been "present" votes.
McCain's wife is an effective businesswoman whose one failing is she does not want to release her tax returns. Understandable, given the way the jackals of the press corps behave. Obama's wife is on record as saying she has been ashamed to be an American for most of her adult life.
McCain was duped just like the rest of the Senate into supporting Bush's war in Iraq. He realizes that even though we shouldn't have started this fight, we do have to finish it, at least to the point of leaving a functioning government in place when we withdraw the majority of our troops. (He's honest enough to admit we will have to maintain a presence there, likely mostly air support and training, for years to come.) Obama likes to boast he was against the war - but Obama wasn't in the Senate in 2003. So just where does the liar get off comparing his position as a minor state legislator that had no foreign policy input, with McCain's position as a fairly senior Senator at that time?
McCain has a solid pro-Second Amendment record. Obama has a solidly anti-Second Amendment record. The votes are on file. It's not something Obama can weasel-word his way around. If he gets in, all our civil rights will be at risk, not just our right to keep and bear arms. If he'll go after one, the rest aren't safe either.
I would not have Obama as President if he came dipped in gold dust.

You're pretty much sticking to the issues, and I have no quarrel with you for that. I disagree with couple of things you said, or would at least like to comment on them.

Experience on the legislative level doesn't alway translate into executive leadership qualities, any more than being the best engineer in the company always means you'd be a good CEO, or being a goo teacher makes you a good principal; there are different skill sets involved. And although I'm not trying to claim Obama is a second Lincoln, you have to remember that Lincoln also had very little experience in government, and did all right anyway.

I really don't give a rat's *** what either wife has done or said; I'm not voting for them or their children.

Obama spoke publicly against the war; the fact that he wasn't in a position to do anything about it (and McCain was but didn't) hardly makes him a liar.

I agree with you about Obama's position on guns. That, and the fact that I want a Republican in the White House to counterbalance a Democratic Congress, means I'm probably going to vote for McCain.

[Windwalker]

Just not a lot of difference between them.

[GlockMeister]

You know wind-walker, I felt and thought that when I got done reading the comparison. The biggest difference was in regards to guns. Well that one and the Iran issue. They are someone that we have to keep an eye and and I don't think talking will work. They'll listen and basically after the talk is done, and our representative has left, they'll probably be like, SCREW THEM. Who do they think they are. And continue to do as they wish.

But those are the only 2 issues I felt where there was any real difference in the 2. I'm sure there are others. I think they had and listed only the main issues though.

[LarryO1970]

McCain is better on the 2nd Amendment than Obama... hands down.

My real problem is Obama's stance on Iran. Anyone who has served in the Middle East knows that they see diplomacy as a sign of weakness... force is the only thing they really respect. Reality is... nobody gets along with everybody... regardless.

Us Veterans who have "been there, done that" know all too well.

Why is it that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad openly supports Obama? Honest question... looking for an honest (unbiased) answer... ?

[tlarkin]

The only thing I like about McCain over Obama is his stance on guns, then they both agree on some things I agree with, then McCain has several things I don't agree with.

This is seriously our two choices.......and it sucks.

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by tlarkin

This is seriously our two choices.......and it sucks.

It surely does. I wish we could have the choice "None of the Above," and if that gets a majority of the vote, they parties have to put up new candidates and we vote again. Done long enough, we might actually get them to put up candidates worth voting FOR!

[tlarkin]

If Obama would change his gun stance it would be a no brainer for me, but that is something he has that I disagree with.

[patrick70]

I'm not crazy about McCain but I'm gonna vote for him,I don't like Obama's position on the 2nd admendment,taxes,crime,and I don't trust him with foreign policy or the economy.I think McCain is a better all around canidate.And it has nothing to do with Obama being black,heck if Clarence Thomas was running for president I would vote for him over McCain.

[troy2000]

There's more difference than it seems at first choice between their economic platforms. McCain has backed off his earlier position against making the tax cuts permanent because they disproportionately benefit the wealthy and make the deficit worse, and now parrots the standard party line that any kind of tax cuts are good, period. Which means the deficit would be even higher under him than under Obama, if both of them stick to what they're saying at the moment.

But stay tuned for further developments, as the campaigns get underway and focus groups tell each of them what the voters want to hear...

Larry, I don't really care why Phlegm-sound Manydaddies prefers Obama. He could be doing it because he thinks he could work with him. Or he could be doing it because he thinks it will hurt Obama instead of helping him, and he prefers having a tough-talking American president to scare his own people with. Regardless, I don't think we should leave ourselves open to any sort of manipulation from foreign leaders; best to totally ignore them on the subject.

[TRUE GRIT]

I think Im gonna start making a Ron Paul 2012 bumper sticker right now.

[ArkansasHunter]

True Grit can I buy 3 ?

[Romey]

Ill take one as well