Obama-McCain contest could come down to … Montana?

[GGReporter]

Barack Obama’s campaign has shown an unusual fascination with Montana, even though the state has only three electoral votes. The race for President this year could come down to those three electors.

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[troy2000]

Say what you will about Howard Dean; he's a smart cookie. He's the one who convinced the Democrats to stop ceding territory to the Republicans and concentrating their resources only where they thought they could win. He convinced them to go with the 'fifty-state' strategy, where they force the Republicans to take nothing for granted, and spread their resources. And he's the one who showed them that enough nickel-and-dime contributions from the internet add up to the flood of money that makes such a strategy possible without depending on the traditional deep pockets of big donors and bundlers, as the Republicans have generally done.

Also, the folks in Montana (and Wyoming) might be conservative, but they're also contrary and independent. They don't like being taken for granted...

[Dan22]

Howard Dean is a “Sharp Cookie?” When did that happen?

As I remember the last election Howard Dean was the early leader and Democrats were sure he would be the next President.

Then Howard opened his mouth and proved he wasn’t the “Sharpest Marble” in the bag and was quickly discarded.

His handling of the Florida and Michigan primaries were another example of his management skills. He almost had a revolt on his hands and cooler heads finally pulled some Democrats back in line.

When I see Obama giving speeches and how the crowd gets all pumped up it reminds me of the oral skills Adolf Hitler had and how the German people looked forward to the “Change” he promised.

I’m not saying Obama is like Hitler, only that he has the ability to seduce the masses with his speeches.

Obama thinks he can sit down with the bad guys like Iran and talk them out of wanting Nuclear weapons and removing Israel from the landscape. It ain’t gonna happen son, they want to eat our lunch.

Poor John McCain doesn’t have the speaking abilities of Obama and elections these days are more of a beauty contest or who has the best sound bytes.

I think a lot of interest in Obama is black people wanting a black president. If he chooses Richardson for VP he would be assured of many Latino votes. I hope people vote for issues and not a color or ethnic group.

As a gun owner and tax payer I’m very concerned if I will still be able to own my guns or be “Tax-Poor” and never be able to afford another.

I’d feel a lot better if Obama would say what he really means by “Change!”

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by Dan22

Howard Dean is a “Sharp Cookie?” When did that happen?

As I remember the last election Howard Dean was the early leader and Democrats were sure he would be the next President.

Then Howard opened his mouth and proved he wasn’t the “Sharpest Marble” in the bag and was quickly discarded.

His handling of the Florida and Michigan primaries were another example of his management skills. He almost had a revolt on his hands and cooler heads finally pulled some Democrats back in line.

When I see Obama giving speeches and how the crowd gets all pumped up it reminds me of the oral skills Adolf Hitler had and how the German people looked forward to the “Change” he promised.

I’m not saying Obama is like Hitler, only that he has the ability to seduce the masses with his speeches.

Obama thinks he can sit down with the bad guys like Iran and talk them out of wanting Nuclear weapons and removing Israel from the landscape. It ain’t gonna happen son, they want to eat our lunch.

Poor John McCain doesn’t have the speaking abilities of Obama and elections these days are more of a beauty contest or who has the best sound bytes.

I think a lot of interest in Obama is black people wanting a black president. If he chooses Richardson for VP he would be assured of many Latino votes. I hope people vote for issues and not a color or ethnic group.

As a gun owner and tax payer I’m very concerned if I will still be able to own my guns or be “Tax-Poor” and never be able to afford another.

I’d feel a lot better if Obama would say what he really means by “Change!”

Um...how did Dean prove he wasn't sharp? There are plenty of smart people who never make it running for president; that has nothing to do with his management skills as head of the party.

The Florida/Michigan primaries were a no-win situation; there was absolutely no way they were going to make everyone happy. How do you think Dean almost caused a revolt?

You're making the same mistake the Republicans made: they didn't take him seriously. Neither did some of his own people. He had to fight tooth and nail to get his fifty-state policy past the Democratic old guard, and it paid off handsomely.

And what makes you think Obama is going to give away the store, just because he wants to talk to our enemies? Every friggin' president we had talked to the Russians, even Reagan. I'll talk to any ***hole, any time: before, during or after a fight or a feud. That doesn't mean I'm obliged to roll over and play dead, but it might help. If it doesn't, no harm done and at least I tried. It sure makes more sense than standing off and NOT talking to people; as the old saying goes, "hold your friends close, and your enemies closer."

I agree that some people will vote for Obama simply because he's black. I'm willing to bet there are even more who will vote against him for the same reason. Like you, I'd rather they had other reasons, whichever side they're on.

Well, I know what I mean by "change:" anyone but Bush. I think it would be damn near impossible to come up with someone worse than him, although Hillary or Rudy might have come close...

[toolman]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Say what you will about Howard Dean; he's a smart cookie.

That's exactly what I've been saying about GWB. I don't care who's in the big chair, you don't get there by being stupid!

[Dan22]

Toolman, You're right about GWB not being stupid.

The USAF doesn't put stupid people in the seat of an F-106. I would think any Jet fighter pilot has to be a pretty quick thinker or they wouldn't survive long.

My next door neighbor is a die-hard Democrat and it's his theory that they just took pictures of George in the cockpit of the 106 and he never actually flew it. Democrats never give up with the negativity.

Didn't they also produce records to show George actually had better marks at Yale than John Carey? John was passing himself off as this big intellectual and George was an idiot.

Troy, I understand your willingness to defend Howard Dean, you are a liberal Democrat. Not much more can be said.

[LEE3370]

Originally Posted by Dan22

Toolman, You're right about GWB not being stupid.

The USAF doesn't put stupid people in the seat of an F-106. I would think any Jet fighter pilot has to be a pretty quick thinker or they wouldn't survive long.

My next door neighbor is a die-hard Democrat and it's his theory that they just took pictures of George in the cockpit of the 106 and he never actually flew it. Democrats never give up with the negativity.

Didn't they also produce records to show George actually had better marks at Yale than John Carey? John was passing himself off as this big intellectual and George was an idiot.

Troy, I understand your willingness to defend Howard Dean, you are a liberal Democrat. Not much more can be said.

+1

[TXplt]

Originally Posted by Dan22

Toolman, You're right about GWB not being stupid.

The USAF doesn't put stupid people in the seat of an F-106. I would think any Jet fighter pilot has to be a pretty quick thinker or they wouldn't survive long.

My next door neighbor is a die-hard Democrat and it's his theory that they just took pictures of George in the cockpit of the 106 and he never actually flew it. Democrats never give up with the negativity.

Didn't they also produce records to show George actually had better marks at Yale than John Carey? John was passing himself off as this big intellectual and George was an idiot.

Troy, I understand your willingness to defend Howard Dean, you are a liberal Democrat. Not much more can be said.

Thank you for your vote of confidence, sir. Having trained both students and instructors, what you say is correct. I personally consider Algore and Mr. Dean as buffoons. I think of Obama as a whistle--makes good noise but hollow inside.

[LiveToShoot]

^+1..!

Met a lot of smart/bright pilots in my 20 years of USAF, and a couple who I wasn't sure how they made it through.

...and I've met some who were in positions of responsibility because they were dedicated patsies, yes men...a willing puppet on the strings.

Local media in Idaho has been playing up Obama, and it's a real eye sore to the news rags each time I see it...

[troy2000]

Can you guys drop your political partisanship for a moment? I'm not here to 'defend Howard Dean' because I'm a liberal Democrat. If you don't think he's smart, you aren't judging him by results. The facts are that he put together a winning team and a winning strategy, in spite of major opposition inside his own party leadership, and took back Congress. That's an elementary bit of political analysis, and has nothing at all to do with my beliefs.

I've also said in the past that Karl Rove is sharp as hell, and a major reason for Bush's political successes. Do you suppose I said that because I'm a liberal Democrat?

[mym1a]

your right troy2000 the dems are very smart no one can take that away from them! what other party could inslave a race start a civil war,break up the family unit, destroy education and then emerge as the party of freedom and civil rights! they are very smart! every thing they touch they destroy and the crowd loves them for it!

[Dan22]

Guys, I just happen to think Howard Dean and Osama Obama are a couple of empty bags of hot air.

Sure, they have some big money folks pulling strings for them and the liberal press willing to promote anything they want, while tearing down anything the Republicans do or say.

Then you have Hollywood actors who will do anything to promote Democrat ideals and then threaten to leave the country if a Republican can beat all the odds and get into office.

I'd love to stand at the dock and wave bye bye to Susan, Tim and Alec.

FDR, HST and JFK were all good guys...and then it tapered off and I haven't seen a Democrat since then that I'd vote for.

[mym1a]

what will the democrat party do when Bush leaves office? who will they blame next for their failed policies??????

[LiveToShoot]

If people in general would pay closer attention to the political double talk/actions and corruption, these politicians would be brought into clearer focus and their true colors would be clearly discerned...regardless of whether they are under the dem or rep banner.

As we all know, there is a huge difference between being bright and being cleverly deceptive. The same disparity that exists between truth and sophistry.

I believe the two are being mixed up here, being bright and being deceptive, and it is abundantly happening on both sides of the political isle, for the same political objectives...

When a person sets out to deceive and destroy, to whatever degree, they then leave the boundary of being bright and enter the realm of being a slithering snake of deception...to the degree they are doing such.

A lie is always a lie, and any effort to distort the truth is a lie...

We as a people of freedom have tolerated the deceptions and lies for far too long, to the point where we've lost sight of the fact that we're in a pit of snakes...like loosing sight of the forest for the trees.

We are now like frogs in water that has gradually been warmed, to the point where the water is dangerously hotter than we realize...and we're almost cooked!

Wake up America, cause we're in deep kimchi...and it really stinks, regardless of the fact that there are those who have lost their ability to recognize the smell of the stink, or be sensitive to the rising temperature of the water, and those folks keep telling us there in no foul and loathsome aroma and that the higher heat is inviting and safe.

There are so many voices of deceptive sophistry, coming from so many different sectors in society, that we are being confused and mislead in being able to tune in to and follow truth...

[Cyrille]

All this rhetoric is just that rhetoric on this forum/thread we are all "preaching to the choir" so to speak. It does no good we cannot get the message out to the general public, at least not here, the newspaper refuses to print any letters that are not in agreement with their thinking, agenda, or what-have- you. At least I have yet to see anything that does not have democratic or anti arms leanings.

[troy2000]

Originally Posted by mym1a

what will the democrat party do when Bush leaves office? who will they blame next for their failed policies??????

Well, mymia, they might just copy the Republicans, who kept right on blaming Clinton for everything anyway, right on through both of Bush's terms in office.

[LEE3370]

Originally Posted by troy2000

Well, mymia, they might just copy the Republicans, who kept right on blaming Clinton for everything anyway, right on through both of Bush's terms in office.

AND rightly so !!!!




(i am sorry, i am sorry, it was just a joke. I just got up and saw this and couldn't help myself, haven't had my coffee and cigarette yet)

[nathangdad]

it may come down to the people who decide to vote Libertarian.

[Dan22]

Reagan was the guy who started to fix the economic problems. By the time it bore fruit Bill Clinton was standing there in the spotlight, ready to take a bow and accept the applause of the Democrats who thought he was a genius.

The only thing Clinton was good at was chasing women.

Back when JFK was president, Jack and Bobby took a look at the surplus of reserves in the Social Security fund and decided it would never be used up because people were dying before claiming their SS. They thought tapping the SS reserves for welfare would solve their problems and get them a lot of votes. It was finally pushed through during the reign of LBJ.

It really irks me when I hear some liberal who knows nothing about the history of the raping of the SS reserves blames George Bush for SS running out of money.

History teaches us not to make the same mistakes over and over but some just want "Change" and don't consider the after affects.

[LEE3370]

Right. But people don't read history.
I wonder just what this "change" will be.