AK-47 or 74 for varmint/predator/ranch rifle?

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  1. 7.62x54R M44

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    I was on the AR and AK-47 kick but after using a buddy's 74 and his praise for it, decided to consider it. I have read multiple times that the 5.45 is the BEST predator and varmint cartridge out there and for $150, you can get 1080 surplus rds. Thats HARD to beat.

    I have found 2 different AKs

    the 47:
    https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1103.aspx

    the 74:
    https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1105.aspx

    I have heard a lot of good reviews of these 2 and really like them from what read. Do any of yall know about them or know something better and if should go with the 47 or 74 for my uses.

    ALSO, are AK-47 stocks and such compatable with the 74 or not (for future mods if go that path, ex: SSAK-47)


    (This is my first centerfire semi auto and cant go much higher (16 so under dads rule still))
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  2. Tracer

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    I like the SkS alot better for accuracy,and remember surplus ammo will put a hole in and out no expansion at all on a vermin.Still works, Ikeep one behind the seat for coyotes that like to stand in the way;)
  3. Cyrano

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    I agree with tracer. The SKS, especially a Yugo Model 59/66 with the gas cutoff switch for the grenade launcher that turns it into a straight pull bolt action and really enhances accuracy, is a better choice as a varminter than any of the AK line. A typical price for 7.62x39 ComBloc milsurp ammo is $150 for 700 rounds (today's price at Classic Arms). Classic also has 7.62x39 hollowpoints at $120 for 500 rounds, and the same quantity of softpoints for $150. You can likely do better if you shop around online.

    I'd personally stay away from the AK-74 in 5.45x39. It's not one of the "universal cartridges" you can find anywhere. I always keep cartridge availability in mind in a SHTF situation.

    But if you absolutely have to have an AK-47, I would respectfully suggest the Century Arms "Centurion 39." It costs more, more than double what a bottom-of-the-line WASR-10 would cost. As against that, it is a 100% made in America rifle, and is the only AK I know of with a milled as opposed to stamped receiver. Go for the best, always.

    Century Arms Centurion 39 Sporter Rifle
  4. BigEd63

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    I'd hold off and get one of the Arsenal offerings over any Century product.
  5. jmp8927

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    Exactly what I was going to suggest. And you wouldn't even have to go with 5.45x39. You can get it in 5.56x45.
  6. BarryHalls

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    For a varmint rifle first, I'd get the $300 Saiga in 5.45. It's cheaper and more accurate, with longer sight plane.
  7. BadHabit

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    I concur Sir Barry. And since you are only 16 and under dad's rule, he shouldn't have much to complain about as far as cost. Hard to find any rifle for under 300.00 now a days.
  8. PSLMAN

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    I own rifles in both calibers and think the 5.45 would be a better choice for varmints/critters because of it's enhanced accuracy and near total lack of felt recoil. Be aware though that the wonderfully cheap surplus ammo is corrosive and will pretty much require same day cleaning to prevent rust.

    As stated the 5.56 (.223) Saiga sporter is a fine choice for your stated purpose. Ammo availability is a non issue and it's non corrosive too. Either cartridge will get the job done effectively.
  9. BarryHalls

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    I favor the 223 on everything but cost.
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    Yeah but I don't think .223 is any more expensive than the non corrosive 5.45X39 stuff. Once I compare the cost to 8mm .223 is quite the bargain too. :(
  11. Tha Dave

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    Saiga in any caliber would be a good choice (I still prefer 7.62x39) 5.56x45 is a good all around small game round easy to find, will not cost alot to shoot, 5.45x39 is even cheaper, equally good game getter but is harder to find the non corrosive stuff. 7.62x39 is cheap, powerful (close to 30-30) and for the work you are talking about, IMO that pretty much what you are looking for. HOWEVER if you are looking into a real work rifle in 7.62x39 a Yugo SKS is hard to beat add a LER scope and you have a great year round gun for about $250-$300. Good for work, hunting or plinking
  12. Dylandance

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    Go for the ak74. It is much easier to handle and is more accurate. the surplus ammo is great quality.

    I've killed everything from prarie dogs to 200lb ferrel hogs with my ak 74. its a great round.

    A fully loaded ak47 weighs substantially more than a fully loaded ak74.

    Also, before you buy those m10s you should realize how short that sight radius is. Thats going to kill your accuracy unless you plan on getting another sight for it.
  13. 7.62x54R M44

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    Completely forgot about the SKS, where could I get a GREAT Yugo (I mean strong bore and good overall condition) for about $350?
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    You got a similar 74 to look at that is in the price range?
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    How about a converted Siaga in 5.45 thats got the pistol grip and such (allows the folding stock option which would help for compactness)
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    In what I have been able to find, the conversion upgrade generally adds @ 100 bucks to the cost, if not more. Though you can always buy the gun as is, and if you decide you really like it for what you needed, then down the road to the Saiga Trigger conversion yourself. That way you haven't spent extra money in case you don't care for the round, or maybe you'll like the factory stock. The good news is, both the 47 & 74 have an abundance of upgrades and bells and whistles that can be added/installed.

    Here is the link that has the video's that walk you thru the conversion. It is an easy conversion that you could do yourself. www.carolinashooterssupply.com
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  17. BarryHalls

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    The price goes up sharply, but you need a quality conversion, with a heavy duty folding stock if you go that route.

    It's much cheaper to buy one from the factory and convert it yourself, AND You get to select each part that goes into it.

    I have YET to find any Saiga conversion that I'd be satisfied with the price. They all have some part I'd still want to change out.

    TAPCO folders will do for a light use rifle but if you are throwing it around the ranch for a work rifle, go with Voltor, Mako, or K-VAR.
  18. Dylandance

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    Bulgarian AK-74 5.45x39 Rifle with Original Wood Furniture #AKAGUN-BUL-WD

    they have one thats polymer too. You could get a polish tantal from jgsales for 399.

    For 600 dollars though you should look around locally, i got my bulgarian 74 for 500 after tax with two mags froma local store.
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    I was looking at classic arms yesterday and saw some tantals, under-folder polish 74s, for $400. Good price for all that they are. They'll never be as accurate as a Saiga, but they'll hit a yote at 400m. If not, you got 29 more rounds to try with :)
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