H&R 44 caliber

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  1. rando

    rando G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    I bought an old rifle recently from a gun shop. It is made by H&R and on top of barrel has 44 caliber. On the side of reciever has the patent date of june 1901. It is a smoothbore with a shotgun bead type front sight. You can place a .410 2 3/4 shotshell in chamber but not a 3"shotshell even though its a rifle. It is in good condition and is slim and light. Anyone have any info on this rifle or know what type of shell was shot in it. I bought it because of it was different and good price.
  2. Mooseman684

    Mooseman684 G&G Newbie

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    Rando,
    Please post pics. IF the barrel is smoothebore , it is NOT a Rifle !
    I have a suspicion as to what it may be , but I need to see some good Photos with detail...
    Rich
  3. 338RUM

    338RUM G&G Enthusiast

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    would it be a rifle meant for 44 mag shotshells?
  4. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    The 44mag shot shell is some 50+ years newer but I found where ther was a 44 shotshell at that time and they called the gun 410/44.
  5. rando

    rando G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    Here are some pics. Hope pics come out.

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  6. Para Cassatt

    Para Cassatt G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    Nice pics and a nice piece of history you have there.
  7. ironhead7544

    ironhead7544 G&G Newbie

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    Sounds like a 44-40. They used to make shotshells for that cal. It would be a nice "garden gun" for short range pests. There were a number of pre- .410 versions of shotshells for this gun including the 44XL shot and a 2 inch brass shell. I wouldnt try the 410 in it as it may be quite valuable.
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  8. Mooseman684

    Mooseman684 G&G Newbie

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    I believe Ironhead is correct...Around 1908 the .44 WCF shot Cartridge was made and it used .44-40 cases with a cardboard luug and a crimped case. It appears that you have found a Rare Gun chambered for these shot shells.
    It is Not designed for shooting .410 ammo or .44 mag shotshells so DO NOT TRY THEM.
    You have a Nice collector gun...keep it in Top shape !
  9. rando

    rando G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    Thanks for the info guys. I dont plan on shooting it. I was just explaining the size and lenght of the chamber and just tried several shells to size it. Sorta strange when anyone looks at it they think its a 410 bore shotgun until they read the top of the reciever.
  10. Krag 30-40

    Krag 30-40 G&G Newbie

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    Nice find.I've got an Iver Johnson Champion in .44 shot.
  11. rando

    rando G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    I have never seen one. I have a 12ga. Iver Johnson Champion in the safe. I bought it a long time ago at an auction and in good condition. I have seen quite a few since at gun shows in 12 and 20 ga.
  12. rkunsaw

    rkunsaw G&G Newbie

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    What you have is a 44 XL shotgun.The 44XL shotshell is all brass with a wooden cup that held the shot. I have the same gun and some of the shells.
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