Kentucky State Police Firearms Auction

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  1. Apollyon67

    Apollyon67 G&G Newbie

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    Kentucky State Police: Home Page Confiscated Firearms Auction July 22-23, 2008
    If you click on the site and scroll down a tad bit you will see a link that opens to an Excel file on the list of firearms to be auctioned. There are two days worth of auctions. I made it to page 6 on the first day and had to make sure this forum found out about it. I don't know the particulars and have no way to get down there in time to even purchase one, but I figured someone might be able to make it. There are a lot of "throw a ways", but there are a few decent firearms as well. Good luck folks.
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  3. GlockMeister

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    HOLY CRAP! They have a lot on confiscated firearms to sell. Sure wish I could get in on some of it. Too bad Illinois's state police doesn't do this, or do they? Have to call and ask or check their website, but I think they just destroy them, to keep them off the streets.
    Gee, maybe if they did this, they'd have more money to put back into the police and use less tax money...

    Thanks for the post, now I'm bummed that I can't get in on it though. But I'll live. lol

    Saw one on page 5 that says Bolt action military, 1890. DAMN!
  4. TACAV

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    Meh I wouldnt be surprised if the ISP got rid of their guns by taking a steam roller to them. :(:34:
  5. Marine1

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    Law Enforcement in California had these kind of auctions, once or twice a year back in the late 1970's early 1980's. They made quite a bit of money until Roos-Roberti and other Brady Bunch California Democrat politicians were elected into office. Afterwards the guns were dumped into the San Francisco Bay or escourted by local law enforcement agencies, to their local scrap yards. There the weapons were ground into scrap metal.

    Roos-Roberti, (many will recall)... were the politicians who started the great caper of the....."so-called".... "Assault Weapons Ban"..... in the 1980's.
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    I wonder where the "pulled" guns ended up????
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    Thinking

    Dookiebutt: Sir; I was thinking the same thing.:34:
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    theres an alarming number of hi-points. bryco, and ravens. to be honest not enough appeiling guns to make the trip for.
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    New Jersey destroys them. We have a reminton-rand 1911a1 in or evidence locker I can't bring myself to send to the shredder. I knew the legal owner, had the gun stolen by a nephew. Nephew shoots somebody, gun gets confiscated. Our laws require confiscation of firearms owned by anyone who is gven a temorary restraining order for domestic violence. There are so many great guns in the locker, they will get shredded even if you get found not guilty of domestic violence. You may be able to turn them over to a relative or gun shop for sale but the majority get thrown in the hopper. NJ sucks the big one
  11. Marine1

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    A Remington-Rand M1911A1, eh? I agree, I carried one of these babies while a young MP. Here is the Remington-Rand M1911A1 story below...

    *No Copyright is Implied.

    The story of the Remington Rand 1911A1
    (Produced from 1942 to 1945)
    (Click on Images for larger version)




    [​IMG][​IMG]Remington Rand was awarded its first order on March 16th, 1942, for a total of 125,000 1911A1 pistols. The company had no experience building pistols at the time it was awarded the contract. Remington Rand formed a new division (Remington Rand "C" Division) to take charge of building the pistols. Remington Rand "C" Division converted a vacant plant into a modern pistol manufacturing facility. The plant was located on Dickerson street in Syracuse, N.Y and was once used for building typewriters.


    [​IMG]Initially some manufacturing equipment was not available. This caused Remington Rand to acquire parts from other sources to complete the early pistols. They purchased barrels from High Standard, Colt, and Springfield Armory; Disconnectors from US&S; Grips safeties from Colt; and Slide stops from Colt and Springfield Armory (2,865 left over from WWI). Remington Rand "C" Division inherited much of the documentation, tooling, and machinery that originally was used by The Singer Manufacturing Co. in their Educational Order. Consequently some of the parts of the early pistols were made using Singer supplied tooling and fixtures. Careful examination of Early Remington Rand pistols will reveal striking similarities in some of the parts to Singer made parts such as the triggers and mainspring housings. The first 255 production pistols where accepted by ordinance inspectors in November of 1942.

    [​IMG][​IMG]Initial shipments appeared to perform satisfactorily, but subsequent tests performed by Ordnance Inspectors revealed serious problems with parts interchangeability. In March 1943 James Rand Jr., stopped production due to a high rate of Parts Interchangeability Test failures. Only after a change in management and a thorough review of the inspection and manufacturing operations was production finally resumed in May of 1943. When Remington Rand did resume production the line from under the "O" in "NO" in front of the serial number was removed (see IMAGE at LEFT), this transition started at approximately 955000 and either prefix can be seen as late as serial number 1016000. Throughout production Remington Rand aggressively attempted to innovate [​IMG]and improve the production of 1911A1 pistols. According to Charles Clawson books the ERRS (Experimental Remington Rand Series) pistols were created by Remington Rand for conducting experiments to improve their product. They were later presented to officials and employees of the company.

    By March of 1945 they where building the lowest price pistol in the war effort and quality was considered second to none. By the end of the war Remington Rand had produced over 875,000 pistols, almost as many as Colt (628,808) and Ithaca (335,467) combined. Reference Charles Clawsons “Colt .45 Service pistols”.

    Note: Since Remington Rand manufactured more 1911A1s then any other military contractor and the fact that the quality was considered second to none, it is not uncommon to find many Remington Rand receivers as the foundation to the National Match pistols used at the Camp Perry National Matches. Seen pictured at left is a 1964 National Match .45 pistol with a Drake slide.

    Remington Rand Slide Variations
    There are three slide variations in the Remington Rand series. Type 1 is the rarest and only found on 1942 and very early 1943 production, followed by the type 2 which was only used in 1943, and then the Type 3 used in 1943, 1944, and 1945. Only the type 1 slide stamp has "New York" spelled out, Type 2 & 3 is abbreviated to "N.Y.". Click on images for larger version.


    Type 1 slide marking
    (AKA - New York slide as it is spelled out). Observed from 916405 to approximately 955000. Type 2 slide marking
    (Notice how print runs the length of the slide stop). Observed from approximately 927000 to about 1015000. Type 3 slide marking
    (smaller markings are shorter then the slide stop, unlike type 2). Observed from approximately 980000 to end of production.
    Common stamps found on a Remington Rand
    These are the markings you will find on a USGI Remington Rand. There could be other markings applied from arsenals, other inspectors or even field units, the three below are the required markings for the pistol to enter service. Arsenal and barrel marking details can be found in the "ID Pages" section of the site.


    Proof mark, sizes may vary. But if more then one on a pistol they will be the same size. Slide and frame P marks will match. Ordnance Inspectors mark of Col. Frank J. Atwood. Some pistols will have numbers or letters on the trigger guard, these are marks of factory inspectors. Ordnance department inspectors stamp.
    Remington Rand Shipment Dates Serial Number Range
    Year Serial Number Range Quantity
    (Total Production 877,751)
    1942 916405-921699(1)
    1943 921700-1041404(1) 125,000
    1943 1279699-1363699(2)
    1944 1363700-1441430(2) 161,732
    1944 1471431-1609528 138,098
    1944 1743847-1816641 72,795
    1944 1890504-2031599(3)
    1945 2031600-2075103(3) 184,600
    1945 2134404-2244803 110,400
    1945 2380014-2465139 85,126
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  12. oldjarhead

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    Unfortunately you must be an FFL holder to attend. Bummer

    WA used to have auctions once a year for their confiscated weapons but the anti-gunners won out there too. Their's however was open to all eligible legal gun owners.

    Maybe with the supreme court dicision things will change some where. (I know...fat chance).
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