Look closely at Feinstein's bill... surprise

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  1. Jay

    Jay Old man, no tact... Staff Member Forum Contributor

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    A key gun law analyst who has published books on the issue of the Second Amendment and its rights and responsibilities for decades says the Feinstein gun ban bill is just exactly that, a gun ban bill.

    Not, essentially, a plan to limit certain guns. Not a limit on the size of magazines. Not a plan for restrictions on those with certifiable mental instabilities, a ban on criminals’ access or a plan to encourage gun safety.

    Alan Korwin is a nationally recognized expert resource on the issue of gun laws, and runs Bloomfield Press, which is the largest publisher and distributor of gun-law books in the country.

    He said if the plan by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., is made law, “any semiautomatic firearm with uses a magazine – handgun, rifle or shotgun – equipped with a ‘pistol grip,’ would be banned.”

    He explained, “That sounds like a limitation, but it is not. A pistol grip (on page 2) is defined (on page 13) as ‘a grip, a thumb-hole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.’”

    here's the bill

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/122212105/S-150

    He said, “In other words, the gun list does not matter. It is a smokescreen designed to distract people from the true meaning of the bill. And it has done a magnificent job. It worked! Any semi-automatic firearm that exists, with anything on it you can grip, is banned. (There is a grandfather clause for old stuff.)

    “The list is meaningless tripe. It is camouflage for the real purpose of the bill. When the president said he is not going to take away your guns, well, Feinstein’s bill puts the lie to that. Magazine size does not matter. Brand name does not matter. It doesn’t matter if it’s black. If you can grip it, it’s banned under this bill.”

    The bill, in fact, states, “‘Pistol grip’ means … any … characteristic that can function as a grip.”

    That definition follows on the bill’s specific reference that a “pistol grip” is a banned component.

    Feinstein’s plan bans any gun with a ‘grip’?
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  2. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

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    This is what we have been saying all along. It is a vehicle bill not unlike obamacare. The bad thing is NYS passed something similar. NYSs bill can ban all kinds of guns on the whim of the state.

    Korwin is no flaming conservative but quite right. This bill can not only be used to ban ANY gun but will also disqualify many people--or at least that is the intent. Not only is the mental health issue likely to be pursued creating greater classes of those who can't own guns (just like klinton did with the domestic violence angle) but also most of us will not be complying with any of the registration garbage. Civil war stuff aside in legalspeak most of us will become de facto felons overnight (or overnight after the expiration of any grace period). This creates a whole new subclass of prohibited individuals--most of whom are ardent shooters and RKBA types. If this wasn't enough the universal background check means the state can attempt to block even more individuals--in that now everyone would theoretically have to go through a transfer. So it IS a complete gun ban bill from some very very ba people. But we already knew that.
  3. Ten Man

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    The Bottom Line is simple.

    If they manage to pass ANY kind of restriction or ban, you have a choice to make.

    I made mine a long time ago.

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    Seabeescotty G&G Enthusiast Forum Contributor

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    Yes, the old snake in the grass from California has written the perfect vehicle to disarm all the lawful citizens, and yet it does NOTHING to disarm criminals who we know routinely break the law at the present time. So the lie that they are going after bad people is just that! They truly believe that We the People are too stupid to do anything about their evil actions. The bill also EXEMPTS those of the ruling elite, and gives them the right to continue being protected by their armed guards and carry on their own. If this doesn't show us exactly what the sorry politicians in DC think of us, I guess we ARE stupid. But WE KNOW BETTER, and have to keep after these treasonous politicians, and get them OUT OF OFFICE! That's about the only way we will be able to avert a confrontation with THEIR minions. And right now we don't have evidence to show us who they are planning to use against us. All we have are conjectures and clues, and not very good ones. So I suppose it's going to be a waiting game until they show their hand!
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    They want the criminals to succeed so the unamrmed general public can do nothing but depend on the govt for everything.

    That way the voters will never vote them out (could not afford to due to such high taxes and insurance costs), so those in power will always remain in power, getting richer and richer while tellins us how to live, eat, sleep, crap, and so on, with no choice ever.

    It's called socialism, and it is where this country is heading fast. The govt will own everything but the clothes on our backs, and like England, will be a country of sheeple unable to make a decision other than to just keep living and never complaing. Those who do complain, will disappear in the night.
  6. Bestiverhad

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    What will you do 'when' the government makes owning any firearm a felony? I believe there will be a law that calls for all guns to be turned in, or you become a felon, are arrested, and sent to prison, or prison camp.

    How will we handle that?

    Telling them I don't have any firearms will not work, when they can look at records and see that I do in fact own guns.

    What will stop the events in New Orleans from happening again on a larger scale?
  7. TXplt

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    100 percent correct
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    The answer to post 6 is post 7. Look up to Heaven.
    No where to hide, you have to make a stand.
    It's going to be everybody's personal test.
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    The same thing 95% of the commiefornia gun owners did when the governor there signed a law banning AKs, and ARs in 2000.

    NOTHING.

    The gubmint does not have the ability to enforce such a ban.

    They only have it on the books so that they can persecute any one individual they want to target.
  10. BarryHalls

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    Sadly this is the way drug and immigration laws are written. We have a country in which laws are ignored because they are not enforced, which means only that broad and sweeping legislation is accepted by the people as impotent, and then used to persecute individuals who someone in the government wishes to eliminate.
  11. arvetus

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    They will try to make an example of you like they tried to make an example of Randy Weaver over a shotgun 1/4" too short. In NY, now they can get you if they suspect you might have 8 rounds instead of 7. We will start seeing more things like Ruby Ridge if this is allowed to go on. We will be Randy Weavers to the gov't. Our "beliefs" are unacceptable to them. We are the enemy. We are the kooks.

    Do you know the story behind Ruby Ridge? Read up on what Randy Weaver really believed. It's not that much different than most of us that don't trust the gov't. He dabbled ever so slightly with the wrong crowd and the media spun the whole story and made him to be some evil crazy man. Read what happened and read ALL the facts, not just what was on the news. Don't think it won't/can't happen again. That happened under GHWB's watch.
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  12. Bestiverhad

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    Sorry, but I don't believe that.

    All they have to do is cross reference records and if they see you have purchased firearms, but do not show up in their records as having turned them in, they'll be banging on your door, and 'legally' going through your residence.

    Not a mass confiscation, but one law abiding citizen at a time.
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    If you are that concerned about it, I suggest you sell all your guns, now, while the prices are good.
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    New Orleans was a test to see if it could and would work. The devastation of New Orleans opened a door to disarm the public. the excuse was used to protect the people and home owners from themselves.
    The action was carried out by LEO and the National Guard. The Governor of the state of Louisiana called for a shoot to kill order against looters. Law abiding citizens were being killed in cold blood by LEO.

    There was documentary on the History Channel 5 years after the devastation of Katrina. It had documented proof that LEO's were shooting people at random. There was one case where a man was shot, and put into his car and taken to another place away from where he was shot. His car parked and torched. All to destroy the body of the man who was shot.
    The documentary also pointed out that family members were looking for their family and there was no trace of them. No dead bodies to be found, no bodies found at hospitals nor at the makeshift morgues, like these people just vanished with no trace.

    We hear, and many here have talked about taking the oath when inducted into the Military. But when the devastation of New Orleans happened and the National Guard were called in, how could the LEO, and National Guard disarm the public and citizens who were staying strong and defending their rights as home owners and citizens? The National Guard take the same oath that the full Military take, LEO take a similar oath to uphold the Constitution.
    So my question is, can you trust any of them? If the LEO's and the National Guard are not going to uphold the Constitution.

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  15. Bestiverhad

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    NO WAY.
    I wouldn't part with some of my firearms at ANY price.

    I read your posts, enjoy them, and know that you're smart enough that I don't consider that to be a serious suggestion.
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    This is exactly what I have been telling people. Too many good men gave their lives so that I can hang on to my rights. To not fight to save them would be a dishonor to those men.
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    Had a fairly extensive discussion on this very topic here in the pk and you are 100% correct. Don't remember exactly where but it was this very subject.

    People are products of their training and life. While there are many level headed officers (been there) there are also those who get caught up in minutia, laws, and the weeds--and can't use judgment to just let something go or simply de escalate and walk away. We have all heard the crucify EPA guy. Fortunately there are also very level headed folks too. But the ATF has had there share of minutia busters for convictions also and that is how Weaver got his. It was mostly his wife who was the doomsday prepper type but in the end his son and friend wound up trading shots in a bunch of confusion with agents scouting his house. From everything I've seen, heard, and read the ATF was very much in the wrong and a quick escalation--that did not need to happen--resulted in the death of his son. It looks like a classic "meeting engagement" in military terms--and there was plenty of blame and confusion on the ATF side. His wife was then killed in a bungled shot and I think most of us could emphathise with weaver and how he reacted. If any of our wifes and sons were killed by inept or rogue agents over BS I suspect we might react the same way. I have seen nothing complementary about the DOJ operation and much to indicate it was a power trip for people who abused their authority.

    Neverheless it shows what tenacity the ATF seems to have toward insignificant NFA violations and what we might expect from washington if Feinsteins bill or portions thereof go through. But I suspect the resistance to be so strong and widespread that the peoples' tolerance to stormtrooper tactics will fade quickly. It'll suck if you are in the first wave of conflict but I think better after--then again this happens in most wars.
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  18. Dressround

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    Sounds good...but who will buy them if they know they will be taken from
    them as what happened here. Even gun dealers wont want them if there are
    no customers.
  19. TXplt

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    Think you are missing the point. IF the state ever gets their hands on our rifles the barrels will be very VERY warm.
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    I have said it before, I refuse to stand and fight. I will sit and wait... Hit them hard, hit them often, dissapear in the confusion then repeat the next day.
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