savage model 219

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  1. rasta

    rasta G&G Newbie

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    had this in my garage for years dont know were it came from. it has no serial number on it at all. just says savage model 219 and adress of company. it is a 30-30 break-away and one of the most accurate guns i have shot. my question is were are the serial numbers on this thing and how old is it,does it have any value,thanks
  2. Mooseman684

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    The Savage 219 single shot came in .22 hornet,25-20,32.20,or 30-30.
    26"barrel,open sights, Mfg 1938-1965. Don't know where to tell you to look for the serial # on the receiver , but some guns Mfg. in the early years did not have serial numbers, so it may not have one.
    Rich
    (value is dependant on condition, unless it is MINT, Otherwise, it is around 75-100 dollars)
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  3. rasta

    rasta G&G Newbie

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    thanks mooseman, i will keep it just because it is so accurate ant reliable
  4. Big Dog

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    Prior to the 1968 GCA, only premium guns generally had serial numbers.
    I love those oldies - I just found a nifty old Savage boltie in .32-20 - If it's still there next payday, it'll be mine! :D
  5. Paul Hoskins

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    This is what little I know about model 219 and 220 Savages. Introduced in 1937 as model 220 and the following year as model 219. Both were made in rifle as well as shotgun configurations. I have owned five of them and still have three of them with various addresses. None have serial numbers. One model 219 I have is a 20 gauge with shotgun firing pin with Utica address and model 220 barrel. It is all factory original with same number stamps on all major parts. Savage did some weird things in early years, as this hybrid proves. The other two I have left are a model 219 with no barrel and a model 220 in 16 gauge with both having rifle firing pins. I have fitted a 7-30 Waters barrel to the Utica with the shotgun firing pin but I'm going to use it on the other 219 with no barrel soon as I get it cleaned up and blued. I also have 410 barrel marked model 220 and a 12 gauge barrel unmarked. All fit the Utica gun. This makes a set of 7/30 Waters,410, 20 gauge,16 gauge and 12 gauge all for the same action. I am planning on making a 6.5-30/30 Ackley barrel for it in the near future.
    Having limited experience with this type of action in rifle calibers, I'm not sure how much this action is capable of handling safely. In my opinion it should at least handle as much pressure as the Contender. The most spooky thing about it is the brazed on barrel lug. I am thinking of making a monoblock from solid steel for the barrel and making it beefier and from heat treated 4140 or 4150. An old Iver Johnson barrel shank can be modified and fitted to the action for a monoblock as the lug was forged as an intergal part of the barrel. This would be safer than the Savage brazed on lug...........Paul
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  6. Coldwood

    Coldwood G&G Newbie

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    Hello

    My name is Don Craig, I live in Saranac, NY. I'm a gun owner, random knife collector, and I'm occasionally into traditional archery. This is my first posting here, I like the tone of this forum.

    I want to respond to the thread on the Savage 219/220. I have one of those, the first gun my father gave me for Christmas, probably 1958. It has two interchangeable barrels, .30/30 marked Model 219, and a 12 ga. marked model 220. Both fit into the same stock. Once the barrel is broken open, I snap off the forestock, unhook the barrel and put the other in. Very quick and simple.

    It's in very good condition, the receiver has nice case-hardening colors. It's hammerless of course.

    This particular thread is the first information I've been able to find on it. Thanks.
  7. Hammer Down

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    The Vintage Savage Legacy of Model 219 and 220

    Hello
    I have an Odd Looking model 220 that came from my Grandfather many years ago at the time of his Death. All I Knew about it, was he saved his money back in 1937 and sent off to the Montgomery Ward Catalog company for this Shot Gun. When it arrived he had forgotten to address what Gauge he wanted, so they sent him Two one being the 12 Gauge shown with a Full choke 36" Barrel, and another one in 16 Gauge, which he returned. I have had this since 1976 and just recently found out why mine is so different than the rest of the model 220's I have seen or owned over the years. It has a grouse in Flight scene on Both sides of the receiver. This Option was available and often applied to their Semi-Auto shotguns, but not seen on any model 220's. It originally had a case colored receiver and my Father had it re blued for Grandfather back in the Early 1960's and the Jerk that did it, tried to Hot blue the receiver and this is why it is now Copper in color. I Plan on having it Case color Hardened again in the very near future. It has a wide Beaver tail fore-end and Monte-Carlo cheek piece stock. They were not offered on any other model 220's along with the Fine Line checkering shown. The Ivory Bead front sight is one found on the optional Factory Cutt's compensator as well, but was simply applied to this Plain barrel. There has been many arguments over this gun, and several times I was told that Savage never made such options available on their model 220's. I even joined a Savage forum to learn more, but was quickly Lambasted and told this gun had these Options added later. I knew for a fact that my Grandfather never did a thing to this old gun but shoot it. It has Dropped many deer when he had it like the Large white Tail shown, which is back in the very Early 1940's shortly after Granfather got this Gun. I got an E-mail from a Guy, that has one just Like it in 16 Gauge. He uncovered the Mystery behind all these apparent Factory Options and how they came to be on the model 220. He shared with me that the Steven's Gun Company merged with Savage around the time that the model 220 Came out. He said Stevens offered a single Barrel Trap gun with all these Options shown on my Savage model 220, but it did not sell well. Savage in turn used up the small supply of existing Parts left over from the Stevens trap gun on a few of their models 220's when they first came out. I have no idea just how many were made, but Other than the Pictures of his that he sent me, I have never seen another model 220 like it. About Three years ago, I came across the model 219-B Rifle shown under it. it is in 30-30 Caliber and has the dovetail scope Provision cut into the top of the receiver. I mounted a period correct Weaver K-10 on it, and it is deadly accurate with hand loads. There is a way of telling the year of these rifles by a small Date code on the Left side of the receiver, following the serial number. Mine is a Chicopee Fall's rifle with a 5 digit serial code. The code will be a number and Letter with a circle around it. The Number will tell the year it was made and the Letter that follows that will tell the Month it was made. Mine came back as a Mid 1960's rifle. I have enjoyed both over the years, and wish Savage would make them again. I am currently Looking for a Barrel in .22 Hornet for my rifle, so if anyone has one to sell let me know. Take care, Hammerdown
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  8. oopy38

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    219 Savage Rifle

    I would like to email with people who have some knowledge about the 219 Savage Rifles. I have 3 of them. One is what I suppose is a prewar model as it has a slim profile trigger and a very graceful shotgun style steel trigger guard as opposed to the stamped triggers and pot metal guards on the other two, and also on my 220 shotgun. I would also like to purchase 3 of the shotgun style trigger guards. Can anyone help? my email is:
    oopy38@msn.com Many Thanks!
  9. Hammer Down

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    Hello oopy
    Welcome to the forum. I have not seen what you speak of, If you could provide a Picture of this Trigger guard matbe I can help. My model 220 was bought brand new in 1937 by my Grandfather and it has the Pot metal trigger guard, so I don't know what you mean here ? Regards, Hamemrdown
  10. TxImpalaClone

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    I just bought one of these rifles last weekend. This info is very helpful. I was wondering if anyone had any info on the scope base pictured above I have been looking for a base for this gun to mount a scope. any help would be appreciated. Thanks you
  11. Hammer Down

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    Hello
    The scope shown is a vintage Weaver K-10 with a steel body. Sadly, it did not work out well due to it's heavy weight it would move back from the recoil of the 30-30 and I tried Three set's of mounts with the last set being Burris that was expensive but did not work out. I believe the problem is that the dovetailed receiver is NOT deep Enough to hold a heavy steel body scope. I suspect a Lighter weight aluminum Bodied scope would work all right, but I have not tried one yet to confirm it. The later model 219's had this grooved receiver but the ealry Chicopee Mass models did not. I hope this helps, HHammerdown
  12. samuel

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    I used the same base that you use on the NEF,s or H&R,s and only drilled three holes but that was on a hornet.Have Have a 6.5+20 Nikon on it and have killed woodchucks and coyotes out to 200yds. sam.
  13. Hammer Down

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    Hello Sam
    I suppose I could do that, But I wanted to keep this Barrel original. I will try one more time to get the correct fitting rings for this style Dovetail arrangment. I could use it Open sighted but with my older aging eyes a scope would ne a warm welcome.If another set of Rings using the dovetail receiver does not work out I guess I will be forced to drill and Tap the barrel.:34: Regards, Hammerdown
  14. oopy38

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    219 Shotgun Style Trigger Guard

    I don't know how to do pictures, but I will try to get my son to do it. Thanks for your response. I also would like to purchase two sets of barrel band swivels. The brand on one of my rifles is "Uncle Mikes", but I cannot find that type from them anymore. Also on the scope base, my barrel is solid, and Weaver still makes a 2 piece base for this model. Right now, I have a modified one piece Redfield on it. Thanks for your input.
  15. oopy38

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    savage trigger guard and more

    Here are pictures of my Dad's rifle's trigger guard.

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    Front Swivel that he's looking for.....


    Here's another he has, Overkill on the stock work in my opinion, but, I'm a Japanese Rifle guy...So what do I know:wall:.....
    It has beautiful color and checkering .....
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    Sorry for the size of the pictures, will do better next time, if needed. Thanks for your help! Trey (esteemed #1 son of oopy38)
  16. samuel

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    Thats purty.You ought to see my old beat up hornet.You would realise how bad they can be mistreated and still function.Thanks for the nice pictures. sam.
  17. oopy38

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    219 Savage Trigger Guard & Trigger

    hammerdown, please see the picture of my shotgun style trigger guard and trigger. after considering what you say about your 220, i have new thoughts about my rifle. now, looking at my trigger guard carefully, there is a good chance it is off a low priced stevens/savage/fox double gun. as to the trigger, it may also be stamped, but it is better finished than the later stamped triggers on my other 219s. i searched shooters' bibles and gun digests back to 1940 and did not find any pictures or parts breakdowns of a 219 or 220 with the shotgun style guard. i appreciate your input as i was looking in the wrong direction for something that apparently does not exist. now, on the barrel swivel......the one shown is by "Uncle Mike"s". I need 3 more for my other rifles. As well as i can determine, uncle mike no longer makes this one. brownell has one for $55!!!! can anyone help me with finding a low cost barre; band swivel? when new, the retail price was around $12.95 for the single barrel band. in general, i am so glad to find this forum. i have the 219 in .30-30, .25-20, .22 Hornet, and 20 gauge for the 220. however, until i found this forum, i could find little information on these guns. thanks to everyone for your help!
  18. Hammer Down

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    Hello
    I did a Little research on that steel thin Trigger Guard you show on your Pre-War 219 and evidently it did NOT come with it. If you check out Numerich Parts they show some models of the 219 in part's Break down form. The trigger Guard made of steel you have appears to be a replacment style trigger Guard offered on the model 219-B which Is have. That rifle is a later built rifle than your PreWar version that simply has stamped 219 on the receiver. I have a barrel band on mine of you look close at the Parts Break down sheets at Numerich, oddly they do not show One. I have tried to do some research on the 220 & 219 Models and come up dry on most of it. We must remember this was Not a Premium rifle or Shotgun they called them a cheap Utility rifle when compared to the more expensive Elaborate model 99's and other more expensive offerings from Savage. They also used many Steven's parts mingeled in with Savage Parts on some of their guns and that makes it almost Impossible to learn any Oddities we may have on our Guns. I was told several times that Savage Never made a 220 Shotgun with all the upper class Options I have on my Grandfathers gun as a Ivory bead front sight, Monte-Carlo style stock checkered with the cheek Piece and the wide Beaver tail checkered forend. I have only seen one other like it in all the years I have been researching it, and the owner of that one said they were left over parts from Stevens short run of Trap model shotguns. These are not easy to find crystal clear answer's on, and we may never know why they put certain or special parts on them when they left the factory. I hope this Helps, and here is a Link to the exact trigger guard you have on your Pre-War rifle that belongs on a 219-B Later rifle as a replacment part. Best Regards, Hammerdown



    SAVAGE | 219, 220, 219B, 220B, 220A | ITEM#147830E | e-GunParts.com
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  19. oopy38

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    219 Parts

    Hammer Down, You have been most helpful! I will order the trigger guards for my guns. Now all I need are the barrel band swivels. Anyone have a source for them, other than Brownell's $55 set? I really hope anyone reading this site that has anything at all to offer about the 219/220 savages will do so. I am anxious to learn all I can about these guns.
  20. Hammer Down

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    Hello Oppy
    You are very welcome. I have tried to find out all I can about the 219 & 220 but being they are a utility style gun, there is Little or no collector Interest in them. I happen to love mine and there is not enough money to buy it from me. Regards, Hammerdown
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