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1941 M1 inheritance question...

Discussion in 'M1 Garand' started by penny14, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. penny14

    penny14 G&G Newbie

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    I live in PA and just inherited my grandfathers M1 garand with a serial number in the high 200k which in research was produced in 1941. I have no idea if everything is original or not. My main question is do I need to do any paper work and register this to make me the legal owner? Looking through all his military records (everything he kept) there is no info regarding this specific rifle. Not sure if it was his or repurchased. It was evaluated and they said its in firing condition but my uncle didnt ask about the legallity before I received.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. grizcty

    grizcty God, Guns, Glory Forum Contributor

    Penny,

    Register, whats that? lol
    By Alaska standards, you do not have to register the rifle.
    We have quite a few members from PA in here.
    So hopefully, some one can give you more advise.

    Welcome to G&G from Alaska.
    Stop on in the intro thread and say hello to everyone.
    https://www.gunandgame.com/forums/introduction.175/
     
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  3. jerry

    jerry Since 2002 Forum Contributor

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    Talk to a reputable gun store (small business) or an attorney. For the time being gifts and inheritance circumstances do not need paperwork. The Onus is on you to confirm though. We have a few upstanding PA resident types that may know as well.
     
  4. savage12755a

    savage12755a G&G Evangelist

    For what it is worth, I inheireted 10 firearms when my father passed. I did not take them to a lawyer or anyone else. Unless you live in NY, NJ, Ca, and possibly 1 or 2 others there is no legal requirement for you to register, transfer or otherwise inform anyone that you now have possession of any weapons. You might want to take it to a reputable gunsmith to check it to make sure it is in proper working order.
     
  5. GSFixit

    GSFixit Curmudgeon In Training

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    There is no firearms registration in PA. Transfers from a family member are not required to be done through an FFL. Even purchases as a gift are allowed for family members, as long as the recipient is legally eligible to own a firearm.

    From PA Chapter 61
    Are you the actual buyer of the firearm(s), as defined under 18 Pa.C.S. § 6102 (relating to definitions), listed on this application/record of sale? Warning: You are not the actual buyer if you are acquiring the firearm(s) on behalf of another person, unless you are legitimately acquiring the firearm as a gift for any of the following individuals who are legally eligible to own a firearm:
    (1) spouse;
    (2) parent;
    (3) child;
    (4) grandparent; or
    (5) grandchild.
     
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  6. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

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    I was hoping one of our Pennsylvanians would ring in on this. As a general rule, penny14, even in the Peoples Democratic Republic states like New York, Massachusetts, and Commiefornia, if you inherit a longarm and don't live in a big city like the Rotten Apple or Rahmboville, you don't need to register it. Pistols are another matter. But your grandfather's M-1 Garand is something worth having. If you have any technical issues, be sure to stop by our M-1 Garand forum. Very knowledgeable folks there.

    Welcome to Gun & Game!
     
  7. penny14

    penny14 G&G Newbie

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    Thanks everyone. I'll go to a local shop and find out. I was worried about traveling with it in my trunk. Just wanted to make sure it was legal. God forbid I got pulled over with it in there. Talking to my freind she said Philadelphia (where I reside) has stricter laws than PA
     
  8. penny14

    penny14 G&G Newbie

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    @savage12755a & @GSFixit

    I understand the need for no registry system, but if it's in my trunk and I were to be pulled over (no ammo on me) what could happen if theirs no paperwork or no registry that states I own this, so that they cant take it from me?

    very new to this ownership thing and confused.
    .
     
  9. grizcty

    grizcty God, Guns, Glory Forum Contributor

    A gal with a M1 should have no problems with anyone! ;)
     
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  10. Cyrano

    Cyrano Resident Curmudgeon Forum Contributor

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    I shouldn't think so. I would suggest that until you can lock it up somewhere safe like your bedroom closet, you put it, unloaded and with no ammunition, in a hard gun case (you can get a single rifle case at most Wal-Marts for about $20) with a lock on the case - most of them come with a hole in the handle or a piece of the case molded so you can put a small padlock or combination lock on it; I recommend a Master 3 digit combination lock for about $6 for this - and any ammo you might have for it in another locked case, in the trunk of your car. As long as it's locked in a case without ammo, the police almost always won't say anything. They'll just assume it's yours.
     
  11. penny14

    penny14 G&G Newbie

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    Thanks @Cyrano . i think i will do that!
     
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  12. GSFixit

    GSFixit Curmudgeon In Training

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    I live in Berks County, and the laws are less restrictive everywhere outside of Philadelphia. When I have had questions about the interpretation of gun law, I have just called my local Sherriff's Dept. with good results. If I can help with any questions let me know.

    I highly recommend a concealed carry license for PA, it removes many of the restrictions on transport. Here is a link to the Philadelphia permit application. It is more difficult in Philly than everywhere else in the state. I Berks, it only took me about 20 minutes, including the wait for the guy ahead of me...
    http://www.phillypolice.com/assets/docs/PPD-Form.Firearm-License-Application.pdf

    Remember there are restrictions on transporting a firearm. Unless you have a conceal Carry License, you can basically only transport it to your home, business, a place to shoot, or a gun shop. It has to be securely stored and unloaded (read as unloaded, and in the trunk, or if no trunk at least "securely wrapped" as in being in a gun case etc., with the ammunition separate.

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=61
    § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
    (a) Offense defined.--

    (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
    (2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
    (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
    (1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
    (2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
    (3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
    (4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
    (5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
    (6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
    (7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
    (8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
    (9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
    (10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
    (11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
    (12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
    (13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
    (14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
    (15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
    (i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
    (ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
    (16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).
     
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  13. GSFixit

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    When you decide you want to try it out, there are public ranges available. It does require a "Range Use Permit" which costs $30 per year. With that permit you may have one other person with you that is unlicensed. The permits are valid from July 1 - June 30th, so don't buy it until July 1st! You purchase and print them on-line.

    This is the link for purchase of the range permit.
    https://www.theoutdoorshop.state.pa...sp?ShopperID=63C020F96A304BBFBD30E1B268995628

    Here is a link to the Pennsylvania Game Commission's page about the public ranges. In Philly, it looks like the closest one is the one I usually go to near Morgantown (by 76 and 176). It's the Chester County range.
    http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=620410&mode=2

    This is the map of that location. Usually really friendly and helpful people on the ranges. I normally go on weekdays to avoid crowds.
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/4...,10662m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
     
  14. penny14

    penny14 G&G Newbie

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    Thanks everyone! Since you guys on this forum are so nice, wondering if you can help me out with figuring out the age/original parts on this beast. From my searching it appears to be a early 1941 model by the serial number on the sight. I "field stripped" (luckily no garand thumb!) the rifle and wasnt sure if all the stampings were to reflect that serial number or not. Is it safe for me to post all of the stampings and numbers from the gun online? Or do you treat it like your VIN and you dont post that online
     
  15. GSFixit

    GSFixit Curmudgeon In Training

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    The motto here is "Pic's or it didn't happen!". Detailed pictures of stampings are very common here for assistance in identification and just because some enjoy it.

    If it will make you more comfortable, take a look around the M1 and Mosin Nagant forums in particular and see some of the pictures we post.

    examples:
    M1
    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/m1-carbine-stock-refinish-project.116991/
    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/please-welcome-the-newest-addition-pic-heavy.119083/

    Mosin Nagant
    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/help-identifying-my-91.165694/
    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/figuring-out-my-mosin-nagant.170821/
    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/custom-mosins-post-pics-of-your-own.164469/
     
  16. Oxford

    Oxford G&G Evangelist

    I would also suggest that when posting gun serial numbers on the web that you not show all the numbers, but replace the last two/three digits with x's...such as 2874xx.
     
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  17. Orlando

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  18. Orlando

    Orlando G&G Evangelist

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    So what happened to the OP???
     
  19. grizcty

    grizcty God, Guns, Glory Forum Contributor

    She probably took it to the LGS, and they conned her into selling it.

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  20. Dennis

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    Hope not but ya never know

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