22 pump pistol

okieguy55 · 2022-09-07T17:46:10-0400

We recently came across an old pistol when going through a family members belonging that had passed. It appears to be a pump 22 in a pistol version. The receiver looks to be a takedown and the barrel is short, around 8 inches. It has a pistol grip with an original pistol Backstrap frame that does not appear to be cut down from a shoulder stock. The barrel is crowned and has a front sight so does not appear cut down either. I have never seen anything like it. Anybody know what this is?

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-07T18:02:27-0400

Well That is a first for me , and I find nothing in my books about anything similar. Are there any stampings of any kind ?
Rich (in SE Oklahoma)

Mister Dave · 2022-09-07T18:29:54-0400

This looks very similar, but it's not a pistol. It might be a clue though.

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blue fox · 2022-09-07T18:49:38-0400

Is it possible that it was a cut down job? Almost looks like someone made a pistol out of a rifle.

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-07T19:22:09-0400

I believe you nailed the action Mr. Dave. It must be some gunsmith's creation.

okieguy55 · 2022-09-08T12:53:04-0400

My initial thought was a cut down as well, but the grip has a full frame and the barrel has a knocked sight groove and a crown. I can't imagine a gunsmith going to that much trouble for a 22. Thanks for the pics and info on the Savage rifle. I believe that was the genesis of this oddity.

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-08T13:59:03-0400

okieguy55 said:
My initial thought was a cut down as well, but the grip has a full frame and the barrel has a knocked sight groove and a crown. I can't imagine a gunsmith going to that much trouble for a 22. Thanks for the pics and info on the Savage rifle. I believe that was the genesis of this oddity.

As a Gunsmith , I can do all those things , with my welder, lathe, Milling machine , and hand tools , so I'm betting thats what was done using an old Smith and wesson type grip section and mating it to the Receiver. Shorten the barrel, recut the crown ,shorten the mag tube and magazine , mill in a front dovetail for the sight , make a pump forend , assemble and done !

okieguy55 · 2022-09-08T14:30:58-0400

I agree a competent gunsmith like yourself would certainly have the ability to perform those modifications. The question would be why, when any number of 22 pistols were available at the time from h&r s&w colt and many more for what would have been easier and less expensive. Once again, thanks for all the great input from you guys. I have sent an inquiry to Savage to see if they can tell me anything. I'll keep yall updated.

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-08T14:52:09-0400

Why is a question we may never know the answer to. We can speculate the answer as:
1. For the hell of it , something to build with junk on hand...
2. A need for a compact reliable gun with a longer barrel than was available. ( a Mare's Leg or bicycle gun comes to mind).
3. An Invention that never went past the prototype stage.
4. It is what a customer wanted that never came back and paid for it...
5. A back pack survival gun for killing small game .

okieguy55 · 2022-09-08T15:04:46-0400

You're probably right. Savage may not know either. It would be interesting if it were a prototype. I must say I've done some unusual things without good reason in my time. Thanks.

reverendg · 2022-09-08T15:09:47-0400

MoosemanOK 684 said:
As a Gunsmith , I can do all those things , with my welder, lathe, Milling machine , and hand tools , so I'm betting thats what was done using an old Smith and wesson type grip section and mating it to the Receiver. Shorten the barrel, recut the crown ,shorten the mag tube and magazine , mill in a front dovetail for the sight , make a pump forend , assemble and done !

Mag tube? This is a detachable magazine fed 22. Hence the very square front to the trigger guard.

reverendg · 2022-09-08T15:12:20-0400

MoosemanOK 684 said:
Why is a question we may never know the answer to. We can speculate the answer as:
1. For the hell of it , something to build with junk on hand...
2. A need for a compact reliable gun with a longer barrel than was available. ( a Mare's Leg or bicycle gun comes to mind).
3. An Invention that never went past the prototype stage.
4. It is what a customer wanted that never came back and paid for it...
5. A back pack survival gun for killing small game .

Could have had damage done to the barrel, and it was shortened to remove the damage. Or the stock broke, and they decided to go this way instead of fixing/replacing stock….so many possible reasons.

okieguy55 · 2022-09-08T15:17:40-0400

You are correct, it is mag fed, just like the rifle version. Another thing I noticed is the barrel is round and all the 1903 rifles I saw were hex.

Mister Dave · 2022-09-08T15:48:48-0400

This 1909 Savage has a round barrel:

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PaleHawkDown · 2022-09-08T18:12:20-0400

I wonder how the ATF would classify this.

eastbank · 2022-09-08T19:23:32-0400

get rid of it, as is its jail time.

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-08T20:46:24-0400

It is a pre-1968 GCA gun so being a pistol and not being able to add a stock it is legal as a Pistol . It may not even have a serial number as those were not required before 1968.

MoosemanOK 684 · 2022-09-08T20:48:19-0400

reverendg said:
Mag tube? This is a detachable magazine fed 22. Hence the very square front to the trigger guard.

I did not see the missing Magazine in the picture...My Bad.

Mister Dave · 2022-09-08T22:17:00-0400

eastbank · 2022-09-09T06:33:24-0400

a rifle can,t be made into a pistol and this one was a rifle first. ck the batf rules.

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