That extra barrel length does help, going from 4.6 to 6. Of the 83 bear shootings documented by the Ammoland Study, only two were grizzles with 10mms, there was one with a 400 pound black bear that took 8 rounds to stop, but it had the wrong ammo, critical defense hollow points. Looks like anything can work with a shot to the eye, but why take a gun with 650 foot pounds and leave one with 1,000 at home, just saying. If you read this article it appears that the bigger bores, ie the 44 mag had 24 cases I think of actually stopping the bear, there were additional ones where they were wounded with the 44 mag but ran away.One of the things I do to my G20SF, is that a put a 6" line wolf barrel in it when I take it to the woods, which help a little bit with velocity. When used as a home defense weapon I keep the original barrel in in and load it with Sig Sauer V-Crown 180 grain HPs
If memory serves, the Swedish snow patrol has also been very happy with their G20s against polar bears.https://laststandonzombieisland.com/2015/09/22/the-glocks-of-greenland/
Here's what they use in Iceland to protect against polar bears.
Uh well, no there are no polar bears in Sweden and I am pretty sure the Swedes do not patrol in Greenland.If memory serves, the Swedish snow patrol has also been very happy with their G20s against polar bears.
I was quoting another post, not my link. However it seems you are correct. The only polar bears in Scandinavia are on the island of Svalbard. My memory must have skipped a groove. I must have been remembering the Greenland service incorrectly from an article I read years ago.Uh well, no there are no polar bears in Sweden and I am pretty sure the Swedes do not patrol in Greenland.
The link you posted is about a 14 man Danish unit that does patrol in Greenland which is a Danish territory. The 14 guys do appear to carry Glocks but there is not any reported case of them ever using a Glock handgun for polar bear defense. So, I am not sure it is accurate to say they are happy with them for polar bear defense if they have never used them even one time.
The three cases reported in the Ammo land article above, showing the results of the 10mm on bears, all three survived. One was a 400 pound black bear, one a 400 pound grizzly sow and the last was a 800-850 pound grizzly. A male polar bear weighs between 800 and 1,500 pounds. Not really in the same class.
Just messing with you.
I have seen the references to those 14 special forces guys in Greenland who carry the Glock 20. Problem is everyone comments that they traded their 9mm Sigs because they did not work well against muskox and bears, but there is never one single story about any shooting by them with either the 9mm or 10mm.I was quoting another post, not my link. However it seems you are correct. The only polar bears in Scandinavia are on the island of Svalbard. My memory must have skipped a groove. I must have been remembering the Greenland service incorrectly from an article I read years ago.
If you care to search this article, they reference "many successful stops" on polar bears by the Danish with their Glocks. The link they reference is to a National Geographic article, which has been moved behind a paywall and isn't fully accessible without a Nat Geo subscription.
Wish I could find more. Cheers.
Uh well, I just came home from a black powder deer hunting Monday night. I hunt in the Oklahoma panhandle and have seen one cougar that I let walk right up to me a few years ago. The place we hunt supposedly has a cougar passing through along the river, so I know they are there. Saturday, it was 19 degrees and blowing sleet. Being a wimp, I took my chair blind for the afternoon hunt. About 30 minutes before dark, 2 coyotes spied my hut and proceeded to run right toward me at a good pace. I did not want to shoot because we have monster bucks on camera. So, I decided to hold fire until they got about 15 feet.Ballistics of 400 Cor Bon are similar to a 10mm. The point of the round is to match the 10mm in a gun otherwise designed for 45 ACP. The 40 Super, which I've been hashing out on this thread, is similar in concept, but is designed for higher performance.
I researched ammo availability a little bit, and it looks like the 400 Cor Bon is receding. Probably because 10mm is making a comeback. I did notice a little more availability for 40 Super.
See my comment below. Mine is a 1911, 5 inch barrel. The Corbon factory 165 grain is the only ones I have tested and I get over 1,350 fps. I reload the 135 and 155 bullets to 1,400 fps. I have loaded others just have not tested them for speed. Love the round. At 650 foot pounds it has heavy recoil and blast, exactly why I put it together. I think Underwood and Heritage ammo are the only ones selling ammo now. Underwood says theirs gets 675 foot pounds. I need to add a few boxes.Got s question is the .400 Corbon dead in the water?
And if not what are the ballistics?
Yes that looks really good. Almost like a light loaded 454 which will throw a 360 grain bullet at that same speed. The Casull in a Ruger only weighs 48-50 ounces, the Desert Eagle weighs over 70 ounces with the short barrel, 6 inches. And of course the 454 can be had in the pocket pistol version, 2 inch barrel that only weighs 41 ounces in the Ruger Alaskan.Guys, guys, guys! How have we overlooked the 440 cor bon?
Seems like a short stop to the 44 mag and I would bet the case works like a DREAM in the Deagle. All it needs is a barrel swap.
I find it very attractive.
Wiki says 305gr at 1600fps.
Now to get closer to the minimum 4-3-1 can we neck a 50AE down to 40?
I still question the rule, but 300gr of hard cast at 1600 FPS out of an auto gets my eyebrows up.
All valid points.Yes that looks really good. Almost like a light loaded 454 which will throw a 360 grain bullet at that same speed. The Casull in a Ruger only weighs 48-50 ounces, the Desert Eagle weighs over 70 ounces with the short barrel, 6 inches. And of course the 454 can be had in the pocket pistol version, 2 inch barrel that only weighs 41 ounces in the Ruger Alaskan.
The Rossi and Puma 454 Carbines weigh about 5.8 pounds, where the Desert Eagles all weigh about 4.5 pounds or more. My buddy has both the 44 mag and 50 AE Desert Eagles. He hunts with a scoped 44 Mag Ruger because they are just too big and awkward for any carry beyond the first hill. So, as a practical matter, they the only real purpose for them is for range fun, and the 50 is fun. So heavy not much recoil but they do make a big clunk when they hit steel. I suppose if you had a job where you drove around and maybe stopped to check things, like oil field pumps and valves, they might work to carry in the jeep or ATV. That being said, the little 16 inch carbines just have so much more to offer.
For example, the 440 Corbon moves a 300 grain bullet at 1,600 fps, a 454 pistol a little bigger bullet at 365 grains. The 440 gets 1,700 foot pounds of energy. Those carbines by Rossi, Big Horn and Puma, with the 16 inch barrel then launch those 300 grain bullets at 1,900-2,000 fps, which is 2,400 foot pounds or more. Mine will equal my Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70 with 300 grain bullets.
Just saying, the Desert Eagles are fun range guns, but not so practical. I have hunted big game in 5 states sometimes taking 6-7 trips per year and never met a hunter, hiker or anyone else carrying one, including horseback trips 15 or so miles from the trailhead.
Other than maybe hog hunting from a blind over bait, has anyone hear actually used a Desert Eagle to hunt big game? Please chime in guys.