I know that real carbines are scarce as hell. Last summer bought a clean 1900 cartouched carbine stock for 3 bucks at flea mkt No signs of ever being messed with and not a hint that it was ever anything but a carbine I am in the process of reassemling it as it should be Could use a handguard if any ones got one . This model never had saddle ring so I will do it like it should be ... But I do like those saddle rings!!!