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Ok so I just lucked up on a Russian SKS with red dot scope, nice sling, bandolier, ammo, and a case to boot, all for $130 :right:
I am going to go look at it tommorow, and I need some tips as to what to look for.
Soooo GO!
 

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Just as long as it is in good shape it sounds like a deal too me.:nod:

You can't beat those extras for that price.
 

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i saw one at a pawn shop recently that someone bubba'd with a monte carlo stock and a muzzle break in nice shape. however they are asking $180. gonna see if they cant work out something.. might do better elsewhere, these are the same idiots who are asking $700 for a FAL from century (can get one thru military gun supply for $499)
 

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Myarmor - that's a very good deal - it would be for the gun alone!

Just check the obvious - bore (dark is not bad, pitted I would reject), Gas tube (clean with no rust or pitting?), all small parts look good (gas tube latch tight, rear cover latch tight, sights okay?), any matching numbers on parts (not necessary, but a bonus!). Check the action fit in the stock - it shouldn't be loose - if it rattles, it'll need bedded.
Overall cleanliness? How well did the last guy take care of it?

Minor stuff:
Cleaning rod in place?
Bayonet in place?
Cleaning kit in the buttstock well?

Wood stock or laminated? Laminated is a big bonus! :)
 

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Awesome price for a Russian! I wish I could even find one-they are really scarce around here and when you find one they are usually $350+.
 

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Not a bad deal! At the last gunshow I went to I talked one guy down to $250 for an ex.cond all number matching Russian SKS...then talked another guy down to $225 on an ex.cond with all numbers matching except for a blank buttplate...didn't buy either one...got distracted...
 

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Dang it, Joe. Stop looking at those AK's and CZ52's! :cool:
You have the beginnings of a nice Russky collection - you need a nice Russky SKS! :)
 

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Thanks guys. SKS's are not exactly my expertise, but I have always liked them.
I have heard that the Russian ones are hard to find, and about all you seem to see now'a days is the Yugos. I have also heard that the Russians are the best built SKS's as well.
So what makes these Russians better than the Yugos or Chinese model SKS?
 

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Shaun said:
guns you live in prk and they are banned
not the russian - no grenade launcher (as far as I know) and I can get it on a C&R shipped to my door since it's pre 1955.

the yugo I can only if the grenade launcher has been removed and it goes thru a 01 FFL.

Only the Yugo has the grenade launcher doesn't it ?
 

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What about the mag is it detachable-- remember prk has the "sks ban "

Gun confiscation in California
State declares SKS illegal, buys rifles from owners

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By Stephan Archer
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

California's Department of Justice has determined the SKS "Sporter" rifle is illegal and is offering owners $230 for the rifles through Jan. 1.

Gun owners are crying foul and charge the new interpretation of an old law violates the Second Amendment and is unconstitutional.

Sam Paredes, the deputy director of Gun Owners of California, said many gun owners are concerned about the apparent power of the state to arbitrarily designate some guns as illegal and other guns as legal.

"You've got laws that are being passed that are unconstitutional," said Aaron Zelman, executive director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, "but because they're a law, they have the color of law. They're lawful from the standpoint of those who want to accept this as justice. Those who want to accept this as the law."

Steve Helsley, a spokesperson for the National Rifle Association of America agrees. He said: "It is, I believe, an infringement of Second Amendment rights, but it is so poorly conceived and drafted, that even those who want to comply (with the law) can't figure out how to do it."

The confusion Helsley is referring to started in 1989, when the state legislature passed the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act. At the time the law was enacted, there were two distinct models of the SKS rifle -- one with a fixed magazine, and one designed to accept a detachable magazine, the "Sporter" model.

The Roberti-Roos law effectively banned the SKS rifle with the detachable magazine, however, it didn't ban it completely. Although gun shops couldn't sell the SKS with a detachable magazine anymore, owners of the gun could still keep them as long as they complied with a background check and had the gun registered.

"It was known at the time that the definition (of the ban) wasn't very good," said Helsley, "but given the speed at which the bill moved through and given the whole political process of the time, that was probably the best that could be done."

Complicating things further, a series of after-market kits that converted the SKS rifle with a fixed magazine to one with a detachable magazine began to be sold. These kits, however, were not anticipated by the writers of the Roberti-Roos law.

The situation became more complicated for the writers of the Roberti-Roos law in 1992 when then California Attorney General, Dan Lungren, approved the sale of Chinese-designed SKS, which use detachable magazines.

Even though Lungren said the SKS "Sporter" was legal to sell, some district attorneys throughout the state threatened to arrest anyone who sold the gun claiming it violated the Roberti-Roos law.

One of the more famous arrestees was James Dingman of Santa Clara for possession of an unregistered SKS rifle with a fixed magazine. He also bought an after-market detachable magazine kit for the gun.

Although the state's Department of Justice said Dingman didn't have to register his "fixed magazine" SKS -- even if he placed a detachable magazine on it -- he was arrested because local law enforcement mistakenly identified it as a gun that needed to be registered.

After a number of appearances in court as well as appeals, the California Supreme Court agreed to review Dingman's case. It is still awaiting a decision today.

Because of all the confusion surrounding the legality of owning any of the SKS rifles, California passed AB 48 to grant immunity to them. However, AB 48 also set up the state's current buyback program of SKS "Sporters" because Lungren in 1997, under political pressure in a run for the governor's office, reversed his earlier decision about SKS rifles with detachable magazines making them illegal.

Now, all SKS "Sporters" are illegal and are being bought back by the state.

Regarding the law which makes SKS "Sporters" illegal, Zelman said, "I think organized crime is going to be thrilled with it. We are approaching another form of prohibition that will organize and enrich the criminal element."

"When organized crime moves in and fills the void in firearms, they're not going to waste their time with puny SKS rifles. You'll start to see fully automatic machine guns," Zelman added reflecting on what he thinks will happen if the government ever completely bans firearms.

Speaking of the buyback plan that was built into AB 48, Paredes said, "It's stupid. People purchased their SKS rifles anywhere from $88 to $128 dollars. I don't know how they came up with that $230 number, but in their own, inevitable way, the government can do stuff. They came up with a ridiculous number."

Paredes also expressed concern that when people turn in their guns, their name will become part of a government database.

"When people turn in these guns and they get their vouchers, you know there name is going to go into a hat," said Paredes. It's going to go into a database as a previous owner of an illegal assault gun and that concerns us."

WorldNetDaily contacted Stephen P. Halbrook, an attorney who is an expert on Second Amendment issues, in an effort to find out the legal nature of the California law. In addition to practicing law, Halbrook is a former philosophy professor and wrote several books on the Second Amendment as well as other constitutional issues.

Halbrook said the law is unconstitutional, but he added that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in California often doesn't recognize bearing arms as a legitimate right. The Ninth Circuit has "been all over the board" regarding Second Amendment issues, according to Halbrook.

"I think it's a travesty the way certain elements in the judiciary have treated the Second Amendment," said Halbrook.

"This is no different than if they banned WorldNetDaily or the San Francisco Chronicle and say (to the newspapers' readership), 'Here's five dollars for your subscription,'" Halbrook added.

"In my opinion, the law is unconstitutional, but probably no California court is going to say it's unconstitutional. That's the bottom line," said Halbrook. "I welcome somebody to use some constitutional doctrine and find a court they can convince to strike this law down. I think that would be wonderful."

WorldNetDaily attempted numerous times to contact current state Attorney General Bill Lockyer for comment, but his office never returned the calls.
 

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no fixed box :right:

edit: The SKS the state doesn't like is:
"(i) Notwithstanding paragraph (11) of subdivision (a) of Section 12276, an "SKS rifle" under this section means all SKS rifles commonly referred to as "SKS Sporter" versions, manufactured to accept a detachable AK-47 magazine and imported into this state and sold by a licensed gun dealer, or otherwise lawfully possessed in this state by a resident of this state who is not a licensed gun dealer, between January 1, 1992, and December 19, 1997."

btw sorry for hijacking your thread myarmor
 

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I have seen Yugos sold as "California" models with the GL removed. There is also the Model 59 which never had the GL.
 

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I have seen Yugos sold as "California" models with the GL removed. There is also the Model 59 which never had the GL.
yup - but yugos don't count as C&R in cali and it's hard to find a reasonable FFL dealer who will do a transfer without charging a premium. Plus you have the $25 state fee everytime you buy from an in-state dealer.
 

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It's not really that the Russians are "better" than the others, but they are the Original, and haven't generally been imported for a long time - they are much scarcer than the Yugos and Chinese. The Romanians are nearly identical to the Russkys, but usually are dogged out - at least the ones we see down here. The Chinese have more variation in manufacture, depending on early vs. late, military or civilian-market, etc.
There are some really rare East German models that appear occasionally, very rare critters!
The odd-looking Albanians were all the rage a couple years back, now they have dried up and are getting pricier.

America has become a dumping ground for the old Warsaw Pact countries to dispose of their obsolete guns into - all the better for us collectors! :cool:
 

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no fixed box :right:

edit: The SKS the state doesn't like is:
"(i) Notwithstanding paragraph (11) of subdivision (a) of Section 12276, an "SKS rifle" under this section means all SKS rifles commonly referred to as "SKS Sporter" versions, manufactured to accept a detachable AK-47 magazine and imported into this state and sold by a licensed gun dealer, or otherwise lawfully possessed in this state by a resident of this state who is not a licensed gun dealer, between January 1, 1992, and December 19, 1997."

btw sorry for hijacking your thread myarmor
I had asked the DOJ about the legality of a russian SKS in california and got a call right now...very courteous guy on the line :right:
anyway, this is straight from the horse's mouth:
A SKS on the federal C&R list qualifies as a C&R in california if it is manufactured before 1955 and is not a banned "assault weapon" according to california law, i.e. max 10-round fixed magazine, no grenade launcher, no folding stock, no pistol grip , etc. (an unmodified Russian SKS meets all the above requirements).

I know most of you know this but thought this would make it more "official"...a lot of gun dealers seem to be confused or DELIBERATELY confuse buyers so that they don't cut the dealer out and get the rifle shipped to their door. Screw those dealers and exercise your rights :right: Boy oh boy, can't wait for my C&R.
 

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That's not half bad, if it doesn't go over $300 - I'm betting it will. The more anal collectors wouldn't like the fact that it's been totally refinished. It sure is a pretty example of the SKS though! :)
 
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