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Another Ill informed activist, time to respond

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by Sniper[MI], Aug 10, 2002.

  1. Howdy,

    She couldn't be happy with the Million Mom March that wasn't, now she is after the evil PUMP shotgun! When are we as gun owners gonna wise up and band together? WE HAVE THE NUMBERS TO SQUASH THESE LOOSERS IN THE COURTS AND GOVERNMENT ARENAS< LETS USE IT!!!

    "LOCAL COMMENT: Why wait to tackle gun violence?

    Germany's timely action should serve as example for America
    August 8, 2002


    So far this year, 10 Detroit-area children were killed by guns. How can we, as a community and a state, stop this rising tide of gun violence?

    Other communities that have stood at the dangerous intersection of young people and guns provide a good lesson. The similarities between school shootings in Littleton, Colo., and Erfurt, Germany, are striking -- troubled kids, access to guns and unbearable tragedy. Even more striking: the difference between the two countries' responses.

    In Littleton, two teenagers gunned down 13 schoolmates and teachers before killing themselves. The law prohibited the underage Columbine High School killers from owning their private arsenal, including a semiautomatic weapon. But the consistent failure of state legislatures or the federal government to implement strong enforcement mechanisms -- like universal background checks, the licensing of gun owners and firearm registration -- made it easy for them to get their guns. All it took was a friend to pick up the murder weapons at a local gun show -- a friend who later testified that she never would have bought the guns if she had been subject to a background check.

    In the Erfurt case, Germany's gun laws were also insufficient to keep firearms out of the hands of a disturbed youth. Despite a history of troubles at school, a 17-year-old was legally authorized to own the 9mm handgun and pump-action rifle that he used to kill 17 people, including students, teachers, a policeman and himself. He obtained a German firearms license with relative ease -- no psychological examination required.

    But while nothing has happened three years after the Columbine High killings, seven weeks after the Erfurt shooting, the German parliament passed legislation that tightens the rules on gun ownership. The new laws don't preclude private ownership of guns, they just include common-sense measures: raising the age of ownership for firearms from 18 to 21; requiring that people under 25 seeking to purchase a gun pass a psychological examination; and banning pump-action guns.

    This measured response to a horrifying crime is exactly what the United States failed to do in Columbine's wake. Yes, early on, the U.S. Senate passed legislation that would close the infamous gun-show loophole and require background checks for all gun sales at these events. But that modest effort withered in the House. More recently, Senate leaders, including John McCain, R-Ariz., have introduced new legislation to close the loophole, but it's likely that these bills will suffer the same fate.

    Meanwhile, gun shows have become a reliable source of weapons used in crime and terrorism. In Michigan, Ali Boumelhem, linked to the terrorist organization Hezbollah, was convicted Sept. 10 of conspiring to smuggle guns and ammunition to Lebanon. Federal agents testified they saw him buying weapons at three gun shows.

    At the state level, stronger gun legislation is caught in a tug-of-war between widespread public support and gun industry opposition. While states such as California and Illinois have imposed tougher gun laws and defeated efforts to loosen gun regulation, the majority have done little. Even Colorado, home to the Columbine tragedy, failed to act -- until outraged voters tightened gun-show regulations by referendum.

    Some Michigan legislators, spurred by a well-funded gun industry lobby, plan to introduce legislation in the lame-duck session after the November elections that would allow concealed weapons in theaters, sports arenas and other public venues where they are currently banned. At the same time, they are blocking the introduction of legislation that would enable prosecution of illegal gun traffickers by mandating the tracing of all crime guns to identify when and where they crossed from the legal to the illegal market.

    The daily litany of gun violence kills nearly 30,000 Americans, including 1,200 Michigan citizens, each year and seriously injure at least three times that many. The incredible ease with which guns are available helped give the United States the highest rate of gun violence in any developed country in the world. Our attitude towards guns and gun violence is shockingly casual. And as a nation, we are continuing to pay the price.

    Nearly 90 Americans will die in our neighborhoods from gun violence, including suicides, today. And tomorrow, and the day after that.

    If we want to bring a stop to the daily drumbeat of gun violence, we must learn from the quick German response.

    DONNA DEES-THOMASES is the founder of the Washington, D.C.-based Million Mom March. CAROLYNNE JARVIS is executive director of the Lansing-based Michigan Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence. Write to them in care of the Free Press Editorial Page, 600 W. Fort St., Detroit, MI 48226"

    Learn from the Germans? Learn what? Arent they the same idiots that passed an animal rights bill too?
    :mad: :mad: :fuss: :mad: :mad:
  2. It would be nice if someone on her has the knowledge to make a general...and pointed...letter for all of us to electronically sign and send to them.

  3. Calvin

    Calvin G&G Enthusiast

    The guns he alledgedly were gonna sell to the Taliban were all full-autos. The only thing he did buy at those gun shows was ammo. Plus, if they count suicides as a health hazard, what about drunk drivers, malpractice, AIDS, cancer, natural disasters, drugs, drownings, heart disease, electrocutions, diabetes, and the like. How many of those suicides were doctors or police officers?

    As far as the idiocy of these losers, they are saying that any rifle capable of accurate bullet placement at extreme (100 yards+) is a "sniper" rifle and should be banned.
    On the other hand, shotguns throw an indiscriminate pattern and should be banned for "lack of precision placement to avoid hitting anything other than the intended target".

    All I have to say is that when one of these boneheads who think all guns should be banned can actually assemble/disassemble one, and name the parts correctly without a manual, I may listen to their tripe and give them some attention. Until then, they are just afraid we may have to use ours against them to show them who's boss, and that's not a pleasant thought to them. I'll just keep my NRA membership up and keep sending letters and making phone calls, thank you.
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2002
  4. Stopper

    Stopper G&G Newbie

    90,000 die every year from hospital infections - thats 3 times as many as guns and they can't stack suicides on the infection side. If someone is gonna off themselves they will find a way, with or without a gun.
  5. wes

    wes G&G Newbie

    After all,NO ONE was ever killed BEFORE guns were invented. They were all due to natural causes like falling on a sharp stick or tripping on a rock and hitting your head.
  6. This mental case of an activist is so wrong on so many levels i'm not even going to touch this one, i'm not even sure what i'd say if i did.