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So what gives you the right to decide which "brand" of firearm is allowed in your class? Just because somebody may not have the cash to purchase a gun that you "approve" of does not make it right to discriminate against the firearm that they are able to afford.
You have the right to stick your nose up and refuse to purchase a "budget" firearm if you so choose with your money, but to refuse to allow a person to use the firearm they will be reaching for in a life and death situation just speaks volumes about the kind of person you truly are.

FOR SHAME! FOR SHAME!!
I, also am an instructor. MY class, MY range, and MY rules. Period. As a certified RSO, I have a responsibility to my students to ensure their safety. I decide which firearms I'll allow in my classes. I do very intensive research on many firearms, and based on that research, I choose firearms that have known issues/defects, and personal accounts, and will NOT allow them in my classes.

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Now you listen to me you mother flocking duck billed broken pinky snob. I WILL NOT TOLERATE BEING CALLED A LIAR. I will put your weapon of choice up against my Hi Point all day. Put your money where your mouth is, jackass.

I will post my target, you post yours.

TCA

Can I get in on this?. And let's not post pics, as they can be faked. Let's meet at a gun range, and I'll put my H&K VP9 up against your Hi Point. What you think?
 

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JA 9MM

I personall disagree with all of you about the ja9mm. i personally own one and i shoot it on a biweekly basis and go through about 200 to 400 rounds per session. the JA is probably one of the best 9MM i have ever owned and plan to never purchase a new one. cheap yes, accurate very
"one of the best 9MM i have ever owned"???....You don't get out much,do ya?
 

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So what gives you the right to decide which "brand" of firearm is allowed in your class? Just because somebody may not have the cash to purchase a gun that you "approve" of does not make it right to discriminate against the firearm that they are able to afford.
You have the right to stick your nose up and refuse to purchase a "budget" firearm if you so choose with your money, but to refuse to allow a person to use the firearm they will be reaching for in a life and death situation just speaks volumes about the kind of person you truly are.

FOR SHAME! FOR SHAME!!
I, also am an instructor. MY class, MY range, and MY rules. Period. As a certified RSO, I have a responsibility to my students to ensure their safety. I decide which firearms I'll allow in my classes. I do very intensive research on many firearms, and based on that research, I choose firearms that have known issues/defects, and personal accounts, and will NOT allow them in my classes.

Ring of Fire (Saturday Night Special)

Handguns

Raven Arms

Phoenix Arms

Jennings Firearms

CalWestCo

Bryco Arms

Jimenez Arms

Davis Industries

Republic Arms

Cobra Enterprises

Lorcin Engineering

Standard Arms

Talon Industries

Sedco

Sundance Industries

AMT
I agree with Merlin45. As a CCW Instructor, I inspected every student's firearm before we started range training. If they had a gun that was questionable, I would get them another one to use for the class. If they wanted to carry their questionable gun, on their own time and liability, that was fine with me, but not in MY class, where I would be held liable for anyone's injuries. SAFETY FIRST!

At one time, I owned two Jimenez .380 AUTO and one Jimenez .22 AUTO pistols. They were first rate pieces of junk. I disposed of them, to prevent anyone else using them.
 

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But you guys are replying to 1 post wonders.
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I agree with Merlin45. As a CCW Instructor, I inspected every student's firearm before we started range training. If they had a gun that was questionable, I would get them another one to use for the class. If they wanted to carry their questionable gun, on their own time and liability, that was fine with me, but not in MY class, where I would be held liable for anyone's injuries. SAFETY FIRST!

At one time, I owned two Jimenez .380 AUTO and one Jimenez .22 AUTO pistols. They were first rate pieces of junk. I disposed of them, to prevent anyone else using them.
I was in the USMC for many years. Over that span I owned 2-Jennings J22's and one Jennings J9.I can tell you that they are "NOT JUNK" with a "little work" they can be serviceable and reliable.I carry Expert ribbons in rifle and pistol. I am well rounded in ballistics of many weapons.
Did you recommend some used or surplus handguns that are affordable ?
 

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"one of the best 9MM i have ever owned"???....You don't get out much,do ya?
My J9 is very serviceable.2" groups at 50 feet.I was in the USMC many years, so I have extensive knowledge of many firearms and their ballistics.Yes I do get out "A LOT" 1911 was my "carry weapon" and an M4. I put 4-5 rounds in the same hole at 50 yds with a red dot between wind gusts.The Ruger LCR is very accurate also with 4-5 rounds hitting the vertical cross hair line at 20 yards.
 

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I assist in teaching Carry classes in OK. We do not allow these POS guns at our range quals. Unreliable, FTF, Stovepipes, cracked slides, and other safety issues
What a croc.I shoot 2" groups at 50 ft with a Jimenez J9.No FTF,no stovepipes,etc.
"You only have to be 2% smarter than your weapon".BTW I have many ribbons with the 1911,Beretta 9, & M4 to mention just 3. The Jennings J22 I have cycles 30 yr old ammo.I only polished the feedramp...
 

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Yep, can you belive that this is a .45apc for under 200 dollars, with a 9 round capacity and a 4&half inch barrel!!! From hi-point, check it out- MKS

Their .40cal was very nifty too, and the larger 9mm was good looking to my eyes... I know that at these prices you cannot expect something really sleek, but if it holds together with a medium load, and keeps on doing it if cleaned, and looked after regurlaly...

Then, I'll start asking, hey, I mean, why should I buy polymer guns for three to four times the price, if It's for my self defence, and I wont be shooting as a passion, just keep it up a couple times a month kind of self defence minimum (also try 'combat ranging' [can be done with balloons, cans, string, a buddy, safe place, woods, or rocky place with a slope, and you dont have to pay the great ammount of money that goes into a high end pop up target walk through range)...

Then, why the heck not? For those seriously not into guns, but need the safety, and want a semi auto, otherwize, I belive that the Charter arms 38super five shot two inch barrel

The Undercover Lite from Charter Arms

And that's going to be cheap, but ok too... Still, I probably would go for the
Hi-point .40, if that had too much of a kick (I know that the .45apc will have a kick too hard for people who dont shoot all the time)

I mean, let's be real, they havent got the price this low, with amazing designs that take out kick even when you have mostly plastic absorbing the shock of that 230 grainer going off...

Even the Glock .40cal seems too 'bronco' for me... I dont like a gun that kicks in the wrong way, you know, either throws too high up, so you dont retain your grip the same after the shot, or it kicks you in the hand, making shooting it literally a pain.

So, if the great sounding and good looking .40 cal, still seems too much like a kickboxer, then it's the more ugly, but I'm shure a good cheap ten rounds of 9mm parabellum, semi auto for arround 160 usd! Not bad, not bad at all...

And it's not like the certain weapons mentioned above... I guess I can say it... Well, Jimenez, and the couple of others mentioned, a fiew posts above...

And, if I lived in the USA, I would get a couple of those Carbines from HI-point! talk about value for money, and I personally would protect my home with the .40cal carbine, and have a backup, well... There are a multitude of good handguns out there... I mean, the carbine will be more accurate, deliver a heftier punch from the same bullet as a handgun, and shoot more safely hotter loads I belive (could be wrong)...

Shure, it's not an AR-15 clone, hey, nobody thinks it is... It's great to at least 30 meters, and home defence never needed a distance further... And, you can have a pistol for backup that 'eats' the same ammo! :hitwithrock:
The hi-point .40 is a total piece of junk the magazine will just fall out randomly.
 

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I recently bought an old Jimenez JA9. It was in tough shape; not cared for properly. Fortunately the bore and feed ramp were in okay condition. I field stripped it, which was pretty easy to do. (The JA 22, JA 380, and JA 32" are super easy to take down. Wish my Rugers were that easy.) I thoroughly cleaned the gun, put it back together, and took it out to the range. No problems and very accurate. That comes with the fixed barrel. Don't get me wrong. I really like my Ruger LC9 Pro. But the Jimenez is a nice gun for not a lot of money. My personal feeling is that S&W, Ruger, Glock, and many other "major" companies could learn a few things from the designs of many of the "Ring of Fire" designs. It would be interesting to see what a Jimenez design would be like if they used the same steel as an S & W, Sig, or Ruger. But like anything, take care of it and it will likely serve you well.
 

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J9 Jimenez Arms (Biggest garbage ever)

The JA9 is the BIGGEST GARBAGE in the entire gun market. After purchasing the JA9 I had nothing but a migrane. The gun jams 2 out of every three rounds fired, The fireing pin came apart, the load indicator located on the top of the pistol after firing 10 rounds suddenly had a spring pertruding. After sending it in to Nevada (thier new base of operations) and receiving it back the gun jammed more than before and the trigger lock was now defective. Piece of Garbage!!!

I took that gun back to the gun shop and complained about the fact that they did not mention that the JA9 was a pistol manufactured by Jimenez Arms with the molds formerly belonging to the Bryco company.

I purchased a new firearm, The Bersa Thunder High Capacity 9mm. This pistol is awesome, lightweight, accurate and very cost effective. I give it 5 stars. Bersapistols.com
I've got a Bersa .380 I got no complaints :cool:
 

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I guess I won't get one to test out if they are that bad...
Thanks for the heads up !
I must say I do have a J-22 that shoots very well for its size and it functions flawlessly so far...HMM.
Rich
A J-22 does not develop the pressures of a 9 MM-- I have 2 of the older Jennings semi-autos, a .380 and a 9 MM, and although they are nice looking guns, with lots of nice features, and fairly accurate due to their fixed barrels they have a deserved bad rep. The thin pot metal they use in the slides is just too weak to withstand the hammering of a 9 MM. They have been sued out of existence a few times already, and Jimenez was the former shop foremen Of Jemmings/Bryco, who bought out the Bryco factory when it went bankrupt, and he reopened the factory under the Jimenez name. I had heard that they too had been sued out of existence--
As another poster has suggested, buy a Hi Point, they are lifetime guaranteed, (the guarantee goes with the gun, if you sell it, and if you ever wear one out, they will REPLACE it, FREE, and all replacement parts are FREE! I own11 of them, in all their calibers, and have yet to wear one out. I have one of their C-9s, and wasn't happy with the accuracy, sent it back to them, and they rebuilt the whole gun, including the barrel, and had it back to me in one week! It cost me nothing!
They all come with completely adjustable rear sights, and accuracy wise they will shoot as well or better than any gun I own, and will reliably digest any ammo! I swear you could stoke them with spaghetti, and they'd shoot it!
Some of my Hi Points are 30 years old, and they keep on chugging, and making me look good!
 

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A J-22 does not develop the pressures of a 9 MM-- I have 2 of the older Jennings semi-autos, a .380 and a 9 MM, and although they are nice looking guns, with lots of nice features, and fairly accurate due to their fixed barrels they have a deserved bad rep. The thin pot metal they use in the slides is just too weak to withstand the hammering of a 9 MM. They have been sued out of existence a few times already, and Jimenez was the former shop foremen Of Jemmings/Bryco, who bought out the Bryco factory when it went bankrupt, and he reopened the factory under the Jimenez name. I had heard that they too had been sued out of existence--
As another poster has suggested, buy a Hi Point, they are lifetime guaranteed, (the guarantee goes with the gun, if you sell it, and if you ever wear one out, they will REPLACE it, FREE, and all replacement parts are FREE! I own11 of them, in all their calibers, and have yet to wear one out. I have one of their C-9s, and wasn't happy with the accuracy, sent it back to them, and they rebuilt the whole gun, including the barrel, and had it back to me in one week! It cost me nothing!
They all come with completely adjustable rear sights, and accuracy wise they will shoot as well or better than any gun I own, and will reliably digest any ammo! I swear you could stoke them with spaghetti, and they'd shoot it!
Some of my Hi Points are 30 years old, and they keep on chugging, and making me look good!
If one reads the real history of Jennings, Bryco, Jimenez and others, there are a few things you might want to note. Most of the lawsuits that caused them to go bankrupt were based on user error, not the gun. Never judge a book by its cover. I have shot a used Raven 25 and Jimenez 32, 380, and 9mm. They were all quite accurate out to 45 feet and ran without a hitch. In particular, the JA-9 was easy to handle and keep on target. Yes, they are not a gun for the ages. But as with any gun, if it is well cared for, they can, and do last a long time. Understand, I love my Rugers, Metro Arms 45, Rock Island 38, and Smith and Wesson 9mms. But when budgets won't allow the purchase of a $300+ handgun, some of the so called "Ring of Fire" guns or a Hi Point are a reasonable choice in my opinion, especially when the users know basic gun safety and maintenance.
 

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I bought one of the Jennings/Bryco .380s at a gun show, for my girl friend to learn to shoot. It ran fine through the first 1 1/2 mags full, then started jamming. At first I thought it was a bad mag so I changed mags. No it had to be the gun, so I took it apart & found the barrel had come loose from the receiver. It's the type that the barrel was permanently mounted. I tried to return it to the guy at the gun show next time I went but he never was there after that. after about a year of not being able to get in contact with the guy that sold me that piece of junk, I sold it off to a guy that thought he could get it working at a 75% loss. I'll never buy one of those type junk guns again.
 

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I bought one and had to adjust the sites. First shot was low to the right. Second jammed up. Due to no oil in it. I oiled it up and hit 5 out of 5 shots after adjusting it. I am well satisfied with this gun for $200 new.
 

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I was at a Gun Show this past weekend and a Dealer had a Special Sale on Jimenez Arms 9mm Handguns...Stainless or Blued, double stack 11 rounds, a bit larger than a Makarov for $169.00 ! US Made in Nevada and really looked nice except for a Plastic trigger I didn't like...He was sold out but had one for looking at on display that was Sold too so No joy :17: ...Anyone have one or tried one yet ???
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I like the one I got. Had to adjust sites and oil it up but for $200 new and accurate at 25 yards I am well satisfied
 
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