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Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by Armorer, Jul 17, 2002.

  1. Armorer

    Armorer Guest

    Hey guys is it just me? I was watching the news last night and Bush wants to "empower" Truckers, Postal workers, UPS drivers, and utility workers, to call in and tell big brother about anything that is out of the ordinary.

    Then all these citizens will be stored in a National data base as trouble makers.

    I don't shoot on my lunch break, but I do get some dang intersting packages delivered here.

    Line up >HERE< for your name in this new Federal Data base.

    Or maybe I am misunderstanding all of this? There is a website somewhere the has this info on it. Something to do with the word "tips"
     
  2. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    We are walking a fine line these days for the sake of Homeland Security. Some of our basic rights are about to be trampled if people don't speak up. Most people just shrug their shoulders and say "oh well its good for the country". These are the sheep people who it would be easy to lead to slaughter.
     

  3. BenP

    BenP G&G Newbie

    Try this scenario,

    Feds really want to nail someone, but can't come up with enough proof to get a search warrant. They recruit the cable guy to go in the suspect's house claiming some problem with cable in the neighborhood. They offer him $50.00 just to go in and take a look, and $500.00 if he finds something that leads to an arrest.

    Cable guy goes in the suspect's house and cases the joint, can't really find anything of value. Comes back to cops and tells them he thinks he might've been on to something, but needs to go back again to make sure. Takes the $50.00 the cops give him and buys some illegal paraphenilia. Goes back to the suspect's house, only this time, he plants the paraphenilia in the cupboard of the bathroom he asked to use while he was there. Goes back and tells the cops, who get a warrant and raid the suspect's house that night, destroying most of his possessions in their search. They find the item the cable guy left, plus they find a loaded handgun in the suspect's nightstand beside his bed, which they confiscate as evidence. They haul suspect and his wife away in cuffs while kids are taken to juvy for the night. One of the cops goes around the corner to pay off the cable guy.

    Why were they after this guy in the first place? Because he had called to complain one night about his neighbors partying until 2:00 am, and in retaliation, his neighbor had called in to the TIPS line to falsly report witnessing him doing drugs or some such.

    Just how far fetched do you really think this is?
     
  4. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    Real close Ben, real close!
     
  5. Stopper

    Stopper G&G Newbie

    Now our good comrad wants to use the military on us - he wants new powers to be able to send troops HERE incase of a terrorist attack.

    You know, once an attack takes place,do we really need the military?

    Isn't that a little to late?

    This is gonna get worse long before it gets better and if we are not careful Comrade Bush will see his popularity fall and a Dem will be elected and all hell will break loose. The Dems will try and take our guns and the military will be all over and gays and eco terrorist will be in charge.

    Bush is walking a fine line - I have serious reservations about the seriousnous of another terrorist attack - I doubt that it will be the jihad douche bags, probably some dumb a** red neck who will screw it up for all of us. I think the Homeland Security Dept. is too much - going way too far - too much money - they are trying to turn us all against ourselves.
     
  6. NRAJOE

    NRAJOE YOU TALKIN' TO ME!? Forum Contributor

    I think their love of country and overzealousness are blinding them. Bush, Ashcroft and Ridge are basically good men who are taking something too far. I hope they realize this before its too late. We sure don't want another sleazy liberal in the Whitehouse.
     
  7. Great comments guys-I have nothing to add-Imagine that. Homeland security--don't forget my signature.
     
  8. wes

    wes G&G Newbie

    They are trying to trick us into accepting a "Police State".
     
  9. Guys, I dont agree with them trying making us a police state either but look what happened just a few months ago. The Conspiracy theorists were all talking about how Bush and others may have know about 9/11 prior to it happening, or that they didn't do enough to prevent it. This informatation was dug up and reported by the media, not the government. Sounds like the administration is now going to be doing a little CYA just in case something else happens and all the armchair Quarterbacks start asking questions.

    The bad part about all this is that it really looks like infringement unless of course big brother UPS man actually helps turn in a terrorist, then it seems like a good idea.
     
  10. wes

    wes G&G Newbie

    What happens when the "highly trained" UPS guy turns YOU in 'cause he noticed you get packages from gun places,and have lots of guns. Think the government is going to call you on the phone and ask about it? Don't forget Ruby Ridge and Waco.
     
  11. Calvin

    Calvin G&G Newbie

    The only problem there, Stewart, is what is a terroist and by whose opinion and definition? ANYONE can be a terrorist, just like in the 50's, anyone could say their neighbor was a Communist. The lack of a true definition of what the government considers a terrorist is where we're gonna have a log jam. Any of us could be considered a terrorist because of what we believe or what we do in our spare time. What if you have a C&R license and decide to order a few more rifles or handguns and the UPS man doesn't particularly care for firearms? He drops a dime on you, and pretty soon strange people start asking questions about you.
    Sorry to say it, but it is infringement if they photograph you going into a sporting event and compare your face to photos of known terrorists, felons, dead-beat dads, jaywalkers, or the like. There has been talk of putting up cameras at major intersections to help control the amount of people running red lights. I'll bet there's TONS of crimes solved by ticketing someone who runs a red light. Heard about England lately? They have the same thing, only they have them on every street corner, alley, and sidewalk. Something like 5000 cameras there. They compare over 100,000 pictures every DAY of every single car and person that goes through town. They also monitor anyone who is walking around, minding their own buisness. What gets me is that the London police still don't stop a violent crime in the process, but will readily arrest anyone staggering in their front yard. The cameras have not caught one single terrorist at all, but the number of arrests for drunken disorderly or public intoxication has soared through the roof. Yet, somehow, violent crimes have increased 48% in those same areas with no arrests.Think it can't happen here? Think that's not infringement? Okay, so the cameras do a little, but the government wants to give you a permanent ID that will have a chip in it that tells them who and where you are at any given time. The chips for these ID's are already being manufactured. This is the wave of the future. This is guilty until proven innocent. Infringement? Unfair? Prejudice? Yes, yes, and yes. Will all of this stop terrorism? Most likely not. One thing it will do is make everyone paranoid about their neighbor and the new guy/girl at work.
     
  12. jerry

    jerry Since 2002 Forum Contributor

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  13. I agree with everything Calvin said. We have cameras at intersections here too. They are on 24 hrs a day and havent reduced any crime but have sure made money for the state. The camera manufacturers make $76 PER TICKET! That ID chip is something that I never want to see but I think its gonna happen. This infringement thing got me the other day. I stopped at Walgreens to buy a pack of cigarettes and the cashier asked to see my ID. I thought she was kidding because I'm WAY over 21. She took my drivers license and swiped it through a machine and punched in something on her computer. I asked her just what the heck she was doing. I didnt like her answer because she just said it was to see if the license was real or fake. Then I demanded to know what information she took from the magnetic strip on the license. She wouldnt tell me. I think thats an invasion of my privacy and there is no way that Walgreens needs to know that kind of information...especially for a pack of cigarettes. I put the smokes back on the counter and told her I didnt want them and would never buy anything there again. This is a first step of gathering information from unsuspecting people and its information they have no right or need to know. If you guys have Walgreens near you that do this, I'd shop somewhere else.
     
  14. SPOCAHP ANAR

    SPOCAHP ANAR G&G Enthusiast

    This is an Effin joke. If you suspect something you are suppose to call in and report it anyway. You do not need to drum up a new agency to go around getting people to report things they see, they do it already. If you leave something out in your house and the cable guy sees it then reports you then you are stupid and should go to jail. If the cable guy comes into your house and searches for something and then calls the cops then that is an invasion of privacy and you have just been violated.
     
  15. Doglips

    Doglips G&G Newbie

    Dont know about the cable guy working for the police thing....but when I was with Florida Dept. Of children and families.....we would get "anomyous" reports that a home had no food..dirty what ever and that the police needed to "escort" the worker for portection....In Florida...the abuse hotline takes anamyous calls and they have to be investigated....also a DCF worker has the right to inspect your house for food, liveing conditions ect (Refuse and we take your kids) of course the police officer "protecting the worker had to walk a round with me/the worker and if the officer or his back up (I once had 6 officers protecting me in one house) sees something then they have to act on it....(Before you balk read Time Magazines articl on Florida Child welfare system)...

    As for the ups guy or who ever reporting me...oh well Im on so many goverment list now that when I buy a gun at the store the have the BAFT agent next to me run the insta check and save me the $5. Im sure we will become a police state in no time...Im sure all of us law abideing people are on list because we paid for our firearms with debit/credit card..check or did an insta check on us....However I am sure that our beloved goverment under the control our commrad Stalin and the other polaticians care only about our elfare and will only raid the houses of the people who bought/ stole firearms on the black market.
     
  16. Rooster

    Rooster G&G Newbie

    Don't forget about those metal threads in the money either. Isn't that why the Ragmuffins only used small bills???
     
  17. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    Rooster, what are you talking about? The little PLASTIC strips are in the bills to make it hard to counterfeit them by using other paper or bleaching the ink off small bills and reprinting them in higher denominations. It has nothing to do with tracking or any kind of electronic detection.
     
  18. Rooster

    Rooster G&G Newbie

    Just like your drivers license used at Walgreens as previously posted here.

    That's what they want you to think - Do you really think they don't know?
     
  19. The Child Protective Services (CPS) in Arizona is oneof, if not he most, powerful state agency we have.

    They can go into a house, no warrant needed, to take a child away just on the complaint of parental wrong-doing made by your A-hole neighbor that you failed to invite for your latest cook-out. All, with a liklihood of an arrest being made to justify their devious all mighty methods.

    Then it's up to the parents to obtain a Lawyer to prove CPS wrong...in the meantime the child is shuffled from state home, foster home to whomever's home until it's resolved.

    And all, ALL, arrests, even if it goes to court and you're vindicated, are a permanent record on the NCIC and NLETS reports. It stays with you forever.

    So, if you go to a job interview, if you make it to the interview stage, the perspective employer knows all about the issue or if a background check is made for any other reason, it's there.

    Topping that off, to sue CPS is just slightly easier than suing a Judge.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2002
  20. wes

    wes G&G Newbie

    Also, the "USA Patriot Act" is a bad deal for us,it gives law enforcement new powers and does away with restrictions on domestic surveillance. Another one is the "Model State Emergency Health Powers Act",part of this act is FORCED vaccinations,the TRACKING of people,AND,the prohibition of firearms,(Section 402(c)). Among other things. This one is REALLY scary. Gents,start buying ammo.