jesse i read your message on CSP its a shame that the ex gun and gamer's won't even give the new format a chance. the more i use it the easier it gets. its even better today. the advantages over the old format are incredible. for instance-- editing a message already posted. thank goodness. i appeared to have been a little hasty in my first post. and the fact that e mail lets me know when i get a response to a post. ok enough--you already know this. it's just a matter of time before CPS gets tired of the perl format. god bless and good shooting.