[PAPA G]

the .223 carbine, now sports a folding stock to allow firing the carbine while the stocks folded!!!

just the latest development since the Klinton ban died.

 

[Big Dog]

Yep, and they have better sights now too. Real metal instead of the plastic crap.

 

[BattleRifleG3]

Actually that folder was designed for when the ban was in effect. Notice how it still has no pistol grip. That would have been the only way to do a post-ban pre-expiration folder.

 

[dogboy]

yeah! it was in the february issue of guns magazine and did you know that it can also take 20 round and 30 round AR mags

 

[BattleRifleG3]

Yup, the first generation Kel Tec was designed to do the same. Gives the Mini-14 a run for its money.

 

[Big Dog]

Regarding the Kel-Tec SU-16 - there are early reports beginning to come in that the barrel tends to shift when it gets hot. Thus, POA shifts too - not good. I'll be watching these rifles over time.

 

[PAPA G]

Actually that folder was designed for when the ban was in effect. Notice how it still has no pistol grip. That would have been the only way to do a post-ban pre-expiration folder.

you must be looking at the old model BRG3, the new version has a different pistolgrip and stock.

 

[BattleRifleG3]

Sounds spiffy, I'll have to take a look at that.

 

[PAPA G]

see if this helps!!!

www.kel-tec.com/su16cpr.htm

 

[BattleRifleG3]

That actually is what I saw before, I don't think that would count as a p-grip under the old dead ban. The rifle would be a good buy for folks living in states that adopted the AWB themselves.

 

[gunssb]

The rifle would be a good buy for folks living in states that adopted the AWB themselves.

when I first read this I went "WOW" - but wait - folding stock

 

[BattleRifleG3]

You could get the standard version as one of two Cali-legal semi-autos in 223.

 

[PAPA G]

You could get the standard version as one of two Cali-legal semi-autos in 223.

it also has the Kali-banned detachable magazine too. a double whammy!!!

 

[gunssb]

it also has the Kali-banned detachable magazine too. a double whammy!!!

detach mags arent banned if they're under 10 rounds

 

[gunssb]

I'm seriously thinking of trading in a couple mosins & such, put some more cash down and get a su-16 in all black. The dealer had one in green $500 out the door, but I want a black one. It feels good although it's plasticky... :hmmm:

 

[BattleRifleG3]

Eh, for your 10rd limit, I'd keep the Mosins. If you're gonna have a low number of rounds, might as well make them good.

I think a stripper clip fed 223 would be nice for Californians. Each tends to load faster than a rock-loading detachable mag. Advantage to the detachables is capacity, at least the ones you lock and rock in.

 

[PAPA G]

detach mags arent banned if they're under 10 rounds

then why is that 10 rd fixed magazine AR-15 type the only one allowed???

 

[gunssb]

then why is that 10 rd fixed magazine AR-15 type the only one allowed???

hmm...dunno about that but know for sure that 10-round AR-15 detachable mags are okay (to shove in the keltec).

 

[BattleRifleG3]

Cause the AR-15 has a pistol grip and can't go without one. A Mini doesn't require a p-grip by design. Got a detachable mag, can't have a p-grip. Got a p-grip, can't have a d-mag.

 

[gunssb]

Cause the AR-15 has a pistol grip and can't go without one. A Mini doesn't require a p-grip by design. Got a detachable mag, can't have a p-grip. Got a p-grip, can't have a d-mag.

oh I thought he meant just the AR-15 magazine...yup, AR15s with detach mag of any capacity are strictly NO NO