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Enfield savage sniper rifle?

Discussion in 'Enfield Rifles' started by Traumanurse, Feb 2, 2014.

  1. I have a 1943 No4MkI*, ser# 12C67xx, US PROPERTY stamped on receiver, S51 stamped on buttstock, S stamped on trigger housing, bolt ser# matches receiver, buttstock and receiver lower stock have been shellacked but are in great shape, missing front and top stock. Is this truly a barn find sniper rifle and if so what is value.
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2014
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  2. rando

    rando G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Welcome to the G&G forums. Do you have pics?

  3. At work and phone doesn't want to up load them. I'll have to try to post pics tomorrow
  4. Does it have the two scope-bracket mounting pads in the left side of the receiver?
  5. ke4sky

    ke4sky G&G Newbie

  6. I bought a couple of rifles at a garage sale and the guy threw this in--said it was something his dad gave him and it sat in the corner of his garage for 30+ years. It only has one bracket on left rear of receiver and no ser# markings for scope on buttstock. Downloaded milsurps faking sniper rifles and all markings and identifiers point towards savage sniper never outfitted for scope. Having a tough time uploading pics-I think I have one of left side of receiver loaded up now. Should I strip shellacking off stock? Or leave it alone till I'm sure of what this is?

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  7. Here are a few other pics I have. Not a complete rifle, but could be nice.

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    GUNZABLAZIN G&G Evangelist

    What makes you think its a sniper? I have a Savage U.S. PROPERTY Enfield, just curious what the sniper markings would be?
  9. M14man

    M14man I don't take prisoners... Forum Contributor

    Left side of a (T) sniper..

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    GUNZABLAZIN G&G Evangelist

    I knew that the T was a marking for a British Sniper, didn't know if there was a different designation for a U.S.
  11. M14man

    M14man I don't take prisoners... Forum Contributor

    It looks like it started out as a (T), it may have been one but got dis-assempled.
    A finished MK1(T) had a 'T' stamp and a completely different type rear stock.

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  12. Jay

    Jay Old man, No tact... Staff Member

  13. There is no U.S. marking because that marking "T" was applied England by Holland & Holland, where the rifle was converted.

    I wouldn't go that far. A 4T has exactly the same stock as a regular No.4 but with the addition of a cheek rest. The cheek rests were applied at Holland & Holland who also stamped "S51" on the butt stock. It looks like then OP's rifle's butt stock has simply lost its cheek rest.
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2014
  14. rondog

    rondog G&G Evangelist

    I was gonna guess it was just another sporterized Enfield with scope mount holes drilled in it. But after seeing M14man's photos, I'm not guessing. Sure looks like it could be a 4T, I don't know much about them.
  15. Meant to type 1942 for year on first thread. Buttstock has S51 1/4 inch height stamp on it and 2 holes on too of stock drilled 3 inches apart (for the cheek pad?) also buttstock is different than my 1943 enfields. Bore is 5 groove and barrel length is 25.2 inches. From what I've read through milsurps, quite a few savages were sent to holland and holland but were never fully outfitted. Remember, I got this at a garage sale and the guy didn't know what it was, much less try to pass it as a sniper rifle. After disassembling it to clean and do a functions test did I start researching it and am finding quite a few markings that lead me to believe it may be a never fully converted model. I was initially going to fix it up for my kid to plink with but will probly try to find the missing stock pieces and make her half decent again.

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  16. SNO4MKI

    SNO4MKI G&G Newbie

    From the pics and the serial number, it looks to me like a Savage No4 MkI* T (Less Telescope), which basically means it was partially converted but never fitted with a scope. Most of the Savage T Less Telescope rifles are found to be in the 12C, 13C, 14C, and 15C blocks
  17. Thanks sno4MKI. Any thoughts on where I can pick up front stock pieces and hard ware?? I've looked on fleabay but not sure if those are decent prices. Also any idea of value?
  18. rondog

    rondog G&G Evangelist

    Try Liberty Tree Collectors and Springfield Sporters for the stock pieces and any other parts.
  19. TheJoker

    TheJoker G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Drool...that's purdy.
  20. I am inclined to agree with SNO4MKI, seem to me to be unfinished...........
    Numrich has the stock in stock & at a not to bad a price.
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