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Generally speaking, AR accuracy is not very hot.

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This is generally referring to the rifle and carbine AR's people buy stock out of the box for home security as well as mil-spec AR's. Out of the box bolt action rifles are generally minute-of-woodchuck. Many lever jobs are minute-of-deer. An out of the box or mil-spec AR is generally minute-of-telephone-pole.
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Do you even have a revolver?
He has a Colt Cobra 357 I think that he wrote about.
He has a Colt Cobra 357 I think that he wrote about.
I wonder if those, too, are generally minute-of-telephone pole.
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You may be on to something.........
I wonder if those, too, are generally minute-of-telephone pole.
A lot of my cornball writing comes from reading gun writers of old. Gun folk have an odd humor about them. You will not hear laymen (those not versed in firearms) say WHEELGUN ever. I once met a sheriff deputy in Nevada who did not even know what a REVOLVER was.
Do you even have a revolver?
Technically, yes! I have a Beatles album by such name.

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I have a Mini 14. I am able to take out critters like this giant chuck at 100 yards without issue, so as far as accuracy goes, "to each his own".
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Some AR15's are capable of excellent accuracy and some not, Depends on what your using it for i guess?
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Technically, yes! I have a Beatles album by such name.

Tomorrow Never Knows
Song by The Beatles


Turn off your mind
Relax and float down stream
It is not dying
It is not dying
Lay down all thoughts
Surrender to the void
It is shining
It is shining
That you may see
The meaning of within
It is being
It is being
That love is all
That love is everyone
It is knowing
It is knowing
That ignorance and hate
May mourn the dead
It is believing
It is believing
But listen to the colour of your dream
It is not living
It is not living
All play the game
Existence to the end
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
Of the beginning
In other words, no, you don't even own a revolver.
I didn't think you did.
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Never had any issues with M16A1, A2 or M4.
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Never had any issues with M16A1, A2 or M4.
To me they just look too utilitarian, and have no personality. They are ugly tools. I like my wood and steel. That said, if I had to, I would not be afraid to go-to battle with one. I love the mini 14's and 30's. But would they hold up to the demands of combat? I don't know. The AR's/M16/M4's are proven there.
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If I ever were to own an AR, it would be a defense gun strictly. I would take it for what it really is. I would never put a scope on one or expect it to be a tack driver.
I rest my case. Amen
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I dunno, I did basic on Tank Hill at Ft Jackson, in the fall, only problem I ever had was that bad barrel on my original issue weapon. Never had an AR that couldn’t beat 2 MOA if you were taking care to do the basics. Most do much better. Even the short 16” barrels, they are compact too.
Only real issue any AR gave me was a cheap Rogge upper that would stick steel case ammo. Needed to polish up the chamber on that one a bit, works fine now, still have it. I like the AR, for the same reason I like the 10/22, I am a tinkerer at heart.
They both do their job, and are fun to tinker with. Even the worst of AR triggers never bugged me, poor man’s trigger job to get rid of the take-up and it’s golden for me. Mechanics fingers don’t know the difference between 5 lb or a 10 lb pull weight.
I once was into the Swiss Army knife style, rail filled AR, back to simple now. Like I said, I tinker with them.
Went to basic in January at Jackson. They got 2 inches of snow and shut the whole place down, they did not know how to drive in all of that deep stuff, 2 inches max. However, it melted that day and was 34 degrees that said when I laid in 4 inches of water and froze to the bone. I still remember that day because the foxholes, some had 2 foot of water in them and those guys did not have to fire from inside them.
If I ever were to own an AR, it would be a defense gun strictly. I would take it for what it really is. I would never put a scope on one or expect it to be a tack driver.
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If you take it for what it really is, it is a 300 yard coyote gun in 5.56 and a 250 yard deer gun in 300 BLK, 7.62 x39, 350 Legend and others.

You put the scope on it for just one day, to show yourself how very accurate the platform can be and to choose the ammo that is best. Then take it off and forget about it. I never owned a personal AR until 10 years after I retired I preferred the Mini 14 and Mini 30 but neither shoot anywhere close to the ARs. The ARs made today are the greatest success story of firearms design in history. A platform that anyone care shoot and anyone can master and most important anyone can afford. A decent walnut and steel deer gun will cost twice as much. Just the way the world works.
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When we qualified we had a few qualification ranges. The first range which was the most common for us was the 25M alternate course and you shot at paper with the targets that were scaled to represent the various distances. We shot in the prone supported and unsupported. We also shot in foxholes supported with sandbags.
The second range when in duty assignments that had the room we shot on ranges that had the reactionary targets out to 300M. The Targets were at the same distances as depicted on the paper target and they looked the same.
The third one I shot on only once where you shot at the 300m target 20 times and the other 20 rounds were for closer in targets.

When shooting I would tuck my rifle stock into my LBE and rest my helmet on the carry handle just above my rear sight. The LBE locked my stock into my shoulder and the helmet wouldn't move under recoil and distract me.

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Went to basic in January at Jackson. They got 2 inches of snow and shut the whole place down, they did not know how to drive in all of that deep stuff, 2 inches max. However, it melted that day and was 34 degrees that said when I laid in 4 inches of water and froze to the bone. I still remember that day because the foxholes, some had 2 foot of water in them and those guys did not have to fire from inside them.

If you take it for what it really is, it is a 300 yard coyote gun in 5.56 and a 250 yard deer gun in 300 BLK, 7.62 x39, 350 Legend and others.

You put the scope on it for just one day, to show yourself how very accurate the platform can be and to choose the ammo that is best. Then take it off and forget about it. I never owned a personal AR until 10 years after I retired I preferred the Mini 14 and Mini 30 but neither shoot anywhere close to the ARs. The ARs made today are the greatest success story of firearms design in history. A platform that anyone care shoot and anyone can master and most important anyone can afford. A decent walnut and steel deer gun will cost twice as much. Just the way the world works.
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I remember seeing what a little snow did at Ft. Eustis down Norfolk way, and even Ft. Campbell went loony with just a little snow.
I have a mini30, it’s just not my fave. I prefer the SKS to the AK, though I like the AK just fine, and after swearing off AR style weapons, I found one for a price I couldn’t resist, and now have a few. The maintenance and shooting drills were so ingrained it all came back naturally, and they are so comfortable to shoot. I do like pistol grips. My guns are tools, function matters more than beauty.
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I remember seeing what a little snow did at Ft. Eustis down Norfolk way, and even Ft. Campbell went loony with just a little snow.
I have a mini30, it’s just not my fave. I prefer the SKS to the AK, though I like the AK just fine, and after swearing off AR style weapons, I found one for a price I couldn’t resist, and now have a few. The maintenance and shooting drills were so ingrained it all came back naturally, and they are so comfortable to shoot. I do like pistol grips. My guns are tools, function matters more than beauty.
Yep. As said above I used them for 23 years 9 months which actually spanned 29 years military time. But I never bought my own until 11 years after I retired. I loved the Mini 14 but it was not accurate. Carried it in a police car and ranger truck many times. Bought myself a Mini 30 as a reward when I came home from Desert Shield Storm. This one will shoot 1.5 inches factory ammo more like 3 or so with the cheap steel, which it does not like anyway.

The SKS however is high on the list. Mine is a short one, my only regret is I never found one that took the AK mags, the M model. I do have a MAK 90, great gun, just never wanted to go thru the Section 922 stuff so it still has the thumb hole and all of that. Like you when the got dirt cheap I put a few together. My fav is the 7,62 x 39. The cheap upper by Midway, AR Stoner they call them, cheap but wonderful. It too shoots about 1.5 inche, sometimes better.

But if you open my safe in a hurry there are 2 that are handy, a Mini 14 with a folding stock, but closer is the Mac 90, it always works and is handy.

Just personal preference. The 1911 and the AR have become like a pocket knife and Cresent wrench, you pick it up and you know exactly how to work it, ingrained for sure.
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My sks is a factory 26 carbine with tech sights. Great shooter. My Maadi AK has the thumbhole, it's just fine like that. WASR has regular grip
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Went to basic in January at Jackson. They got 2 inches of snow and shut the whole place down, they did not know how to drive in all of that deep stuff, 2 inches max. However, it melted that day and was 34 degrees that said when I laid in 4 inches of water and froze to the bone. I still remember that day because the foxholes, some had 2 foot of water in them and those guys did not have to fire from inside them.

If you take it for what it really is, it is a 300 yard coyote gun in 5.56 and a 250 yard deer gun in 300 BLK, 7.62 x39, 350 Legend and others.

You put the scope on it for just one day, to show yourself how very accurate the platform can be and to choose the ammo that is best. Then take it off and forget about it. I never owned a personal AR until 10 years after I retired I preferred the Mini 14 and Mini 30 but neither shoot anywhere close to the ARs. The ARs made today are the greatest success story of firearms design in history. A platform that anyone care shoot and anyone can master and most important anyone can afford. A decent walnut and steel deer gun will cost twice as much. Just the way the world works.
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I guess one could put a scope on to give it a try. Maybe try to debunk all this talk of the AR groups looking like "a shotgun pattern". Then one has to go through all the trouble of taking their sighted-in scope of their deer rifle, a bolt-action, and putting it on the AR just for a fun range test. One might also have to buy another scope mounting system just for this purpose.

This guy is shooting an AR-15 platform with iron sights. This AR carbine seems minute-of-bad-guy out to 300 yards, maybe. A 250-yard gopher might be a bit testy to hit.


I would not use 5.56 for coyote or deer even when/where legal to do so. I don't consider this cartridge powerful enough to take larger animals humanely. I prefer a bolt-action rifle or a Savage 99 to hunt game, or, a bolt-action to shoot varmints/furbearers. A Savage 99 in .300 Savage has been known to group at about 5/8". Just about every cheap new bolt-action deer rifle on the market today should be inside 1 MOA. Many consider the bolt-actgion the ultimate rifleman's rifle. For decades, gun writers have praised their top-notch accuracy.

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I guess one could put a scope on to give it a try. Maybe try to debunk all this talk of the AR groups looking like "a shotgun pattern". Then one has to go through all the trouble of taking their sighted-in scope of their deer rifle, a bolt-action, and putting it on the AR just for a fun range test. One might also have to buy another scope mounting system just for this purpose.

This guy is shooting an AR-15 platform with iron sights. This AR carbine seems minute-of-bad-guy out to 300 yards, maybe. A 250-yard gopher might be a bit testy to hit.


I would not use 5.56 for coyote or deer even when/where legal to do so. I don't consider this cartridge powerful enough to take larger animals humanely. I prefer a bolt-action rifle or a Savage 99 to hunt game, or, a bolt-action to shoot varmints/furbearers. A Savage 99 in .300 Savage has been known to group at about 5/8". Just about every cheap new bolt-action deer rifle on the market today should be inside 1 MOA. Many consdier the bolt-actgion the ultimate rifleman's rifle. For decades, gun writers have praised their top-notch accuracy.

You need to quit basing your pronouncements on internet experts and Youtube yammerers and get your fanny to a range and sort things out for yourself. The AR in .223 is quite adequate for coyote and are capable for deer given proper bullets and a competent hunter. And that is not even touching on the myriad other calibers available for the AR platforms.
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You need to quit basing your pronouncements on internet experts and Youtube yammerers and get your fanny to a range and sort things out for yourself. The AR in .223 is quite adequate for coyote and are capable for deer given proper bullets and a competent hunter. And that is not even touching on the myriad other calibers available for the AR platforms.
Sorry, I keep forgetting that the AR is in rounds other than 5.56. 7 years in the Army has "5.56" fixed in my mind in regards to this 1950's-conceived funny plastic Armalite weapon. Whenever somebody says "AR" I suddenly think of my Army days. I know some guys "hot rod" their AR's. I saw a coyote shooting video with guys shooting 5.56 AR's 300-450 yards out. The poor thing would whirl about screaming in pain and the asshole at the trigger would not shoot him again or rush down range to finish him off. In Iowa, one could lawfully shoot a 5.56 at a deer during special January antlerless hunts, but I'm squeamish about trying it myself with a 22 bore. I favor at least .243 for deer and coyote.
ARs come in everything from 22LR on up to .243 or probably larger. I've seen them in lots of different calibers, which is partly why they're so popular.
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ARs come in everything from 22LR on up to .243 or probably larger. I've seen them in lots of different calibers, which is partly why they're so popular.
Here is a list of most current AR 15 calibers but it is easier to modify the AR 15 to any mid-size cartridge the actual list is longer.

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The 223/5.56 round is the most useful and common coyote and varmint round in history. It long surpassed the 20 Swift and 22-250. The reason is pretty simple. It is as flat as need to 300 yards. Coyotes are short animals, never over about 24 inches tall. And they live in the brush, area where the natural weeds, grasses, sage brush, skunk brush and natural browse make them very hard to see looking thru 300 yards of such ground cover. Calling coyotes is the only way most are killed, that gets them close, so close that trajectory does not matter. A coyote is thin skinned, many are killed with the 22 lr with on about 100 fpe on impact and many more with the 22 mag, 200 or more fpe on impact. Any 380 or 38 special is more than adequate for any coyote. The 223 round for example sighted at 200 yards, maintains more than 300 foot pounds to more than 550 yards. The power of the 5.56 or slighlty less powerfull 223 is far more than needed for a coyote size animal.

Sighted at 200 yards is drops less than 7 inches at 300 yards and still has over 600 foot pounds of energy at 300 yards, about the same as a hot loaded 357 mag which is commonly used for deer and other game. The 223 is really overkill for coyotes. But any hit in the boilerplate is an instant kill. Accuracy is the same for killing people, you hit them poorly they die slowly and poorly. All AR15s on the market today will shoot 1 moa, that is 3 inches at 300 yards. That is why the 223 and AR 15 is the most common varmint rifle/ammo combination in the history of planet earth. In fact, Whitetail Hunter magazine has long recommended the AR 15 and listed the top AR 15 coyote rifles.

10 Best ARs for Predator Hunting - North American Whitetail

Simple deal, easy to shoot for anyone, children, small females and anyone with an afternoon to learn to shoot the platform. It has surpassed all the great rifles of all time, as the most popular and most useful hunting rifle of all times. Not my favorite at all, I Iike bolt guns, but I am a left brain thinker, facts are facts. Emotions are for old ladies. Not everyone can shoot guns, and many should not own any at all, but that is another story.

There are people who cannot drive a stick shift and think I am strange because I have manual 6 speed shifter in my Jeep. I have one because I drive a Jeep for what a Jeep is for, if I wanted a soccer mom Jeep, I would get a Rubicon with an auto transmission. Point is some can run and AR 15 in their sleep and some can shift a car in their sleep, others cannot.



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