Gun confiscations in KS

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by mitch_mckee, May 18, 2008.

  1. mitch_mckee

    mitch_mckee Guest


    Greensburg Gun Confiscations

    By Patricia A. Stoneking
    I would like to start this report by noting that I have personally spoke with several sources who were directly involved in the incidents that I am about to report that took place in Greensburg, KS in the aftermath of the horrible CAT 5 tornado that ravaged and destroyed that town. I will not be divulging their names in this article as they have requested I not do so.
    The first thing I would like for everyone to acknowledge is that the residents of Greensburg were forced to evacuate and that, in and of itself, was an illegal action as martial law had not been declared. There were many people who wanted to stay and they were threatened with arrest and forcible removal if they did not leave as ordered. The tornado happened at 9:46pm on Friday evening, May 4, 2007 and they were forced to leave within a couple hours of it, being given no time to collect themselves or assess the damages or even try to pick up anything such as guns and valuables. Ed Klummp, Police Chiefs Association, testified at the House committee hearing with a position opposing The Emergency Powers Act and said the evacuations were so they could search for bodies and shut off gas and power and that the evacuation was for the safety of the residents. I have been told by a reliable source that the electricity was shut off prior to the tornado striking and the gas was shut off within a few hours after. It would seem that the evacuation was not necessary in light of that information. Perhaps the position should have been that those who want to leave be provided a way to do so and those who wish to stay be allowed to stay.
    This town was locked down tight for several days and no one was allowed in or out. The only people in that town during this time were Sheriffs Officers, Kansas Highway Patrol Officers, ATF, FEMA, National Guard, Police Officers from surrounding areas and some volunteers from Ft. Riley, generally speaking, government officials. Authorities claim no one else was there or could have gotten in or out. Interestingly enough, I have been told repeatedly by all sources that the media was allowed to roam freely without escorts through Greensburg. Shall we ask why residents were not allowed to stay on their own property but media was allowed unfettered access?
    Many guns and other valuables such as jewelry have gone permanently missing and have never been recovered. There were some houses that were not destroyed and were in tact and habitable. Those folks did not want to leave but were forced to do so. When they returned they found their houses had been broken in to and all of their guns missing. One gentleman reports that when he went to claim his guns, taken from his secure home, they were returned to him in damaged condition. They were not damaged by the tornado. They were locked up in his home and illegally confiscated. So how do we suppose that damage occurred?
    Guns and ammunition that were collected were taken to a trailer and an ATF agent manned the trailer. When people first came to collect their guns they were asked for proof of ownership such as receipts and serial number lists and they had to fill out a 4473 and get a NICS approval before they could claim their guns. No one had paperwork, receipts, or lists of serial numbers because it had all blown away. Later into the process they quit demanding these items and asked only for a list with make, model and description of the firearm. In one case, in the collection trailer, a gun case was claimed by one man who had a very nice trap shotgun in it and when he opened the undamaged and closed case, he found not his nice BT99 but another damaged gun that did not belong to him. That $1500.00 BT99 has never turned up. One comment made by all sources is that many “nice” guns were never recovered. Every source has reported that little to no care was taken with any of the firearms retrieved and taken into protective custody and they were not catalogued in any fashion. One resident said “they were just thrown in there in piles”.
    One family, whose house was not damaged, reported that officers were going to remove them at gun point when they refused to leave their property and a gun fight was only averted when a KBI agent stepped in front of the other officers and pleaded with them to consider what they were doing. Those residents had taken up their shotguns and were not going to leave. We can only say thank heavens for that KBI officer who had the sense to realize what pressing these people at gun point would mean.
    As I talked to these residents of Greensburg the accounts of their personal experiences kept flowing and they all had certain things in common. Their rights were violated, guns were confiscated illegally and they were forced to leave their homes illegally. When government agents came to their property they did not ask them if they were okay or needed help. They were there to forcibly remove them and confiscate their property. Many of them expressed fear of reprisal should they go public. Do they have the names of the officials who they believe acted illegally and inappropriately? In many cases, the answer is yes. Did all officials act illegally and inappropriately? NO. Many were very helpful and had great concern for the well being of the residents and were there to assist them with the best of intentions.
    The people in Greensburg are a close, tight knit community, everyone knows everyone kind of place. They were very resentful of government coming in and telling them what they had to do. They would have preferred to stay and help each other locate valuables and guns and not leave their property. Several residents have reported that FEMA did more harm than good and would not even cooperate with local law enforcement. Residents of the town who were firefighters and trained in rescue operations wanted to stay and help their neighbors and friends and were told they could not.
    The many stories that have been shared with me are too lengthy to include in this report. I just pose these questions. If there was even one act of misconduct or illegal activity by any governmental official are we to stand by idly and allow it without complaint? Should those who broke the law be allowed to continue to “serve” as law enforcement officials without question? Should the residents of Greensburg have to fear reprisal if they report and file complaints about what happened to them? Should Kansas and its legislative body do nothing to see to it that this never happens again?
    I am turning over all of the information I have obtained to the NRA complete with names and numbers of those residents which I have spoke with. I am also going to turn the information over to some members of the Kansas House and Senate. I would urge KSRA members to contact their legislators and demand that a full investigation be conducted in to the events that took place in Greensburg. HB 2811, The Emergency Powers Act is a bill designed to prevent this exact kind of thing from happening and provide a remedy if it does (see that article). At the time of this publication that bill is in the Senate Federal and State Affairs Committee. Rise up Kansas! Let your voice be heard! Don’t let your town be next!!
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  2. patrick70

    patrick70 G&G Addict

    Thats news to me,really disturbing news.They have no business kicking people out of their homes.They just walk in and remove their weapons and personal items without any permission.They steal the nice guns and just throw all the others in a pile.They are way out of control,and need to be held accountable, the worst part is ,we pay their salaries.Some of you guys think your guns are safe,think again!Think really hard about this coming election.

  3. blaster

    blaster G&G Evangelist

    boy that pisses me off! even after all the stink that was made about the conficarions in new orleans after hurricane katrina they pull this #[email protected]%^&# again. this just proves that our fears are real! my hats off to the people that stood up to those nazis. unfourtunatly it will take some patriots blood to be spilled before the rest of the sheeple wake up. ofcourse the media will probably demonize them as gun nut kooks who might harm the childern or some other $%$##^ like they did to justify the raid at waco. I have never evacuated during a hurricane, I would make them arrest me first. everything i own is right here and i'm too old to start over so if it blows away i might as well go with it! no telling what kind of tragedy will happen if they try a gun confication though.
  4. BPierce

    BPierce Guest

    Quite a bit of confusion exists within the emergency authority community in regard to the constitutionality of "mandatory evacuation". local courts vary in their interpretation of applicable law. I believe at least one appellate court has ruled that competent adults can not be forced to leave their home but that they forfeit any expectation of rescue or emergency supply.

    In regard to the guns: Do I understand you, that the authorities entered the locked residences of those who had evacuated, or are these guns that were somehow exposed by storm damage? Were persons being evacuated forced or requested to turn over guns to authorities? Just how did these guns come into the hands of government officials?
  5. In New Orleans they went house to house and confiscated guns from the people that were still there. There were some people that were trying to leave that were stopped and their guns were taken. It is on the video.
  6. tlarkin

    tlarkin Guest

    I heard about this, and live in KC, MO, but I work in KC, K and well I live so close to the sate line I am in both states for the most part. I think a lot of this is done for two reasons. 1) Power trip and 2) free stuff.

    Oh, that $1500 gun we took from you for your safety, yeah well it came up missing sorry.
  7. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    I live in Arkansas and this is the first I have heard of this.

    Citizens, I beg of you, I implore you, for the future of my kids and yours - do not stand idly by and allow events like this to happen. Many generations of our Families and Countrymen have fought, died, and sacrificied for the rights alot of Americans take for granted these days. Call your Congressmen and Senators, write letters, contact the NRA, make noise and let this Government know that we will not be ruled over by out-of-control interpretations of beaucracy.
  8. ghost_raven

    ghost_raven G&G Evangelist

    Not directly related to the thread, but it did occur to me that this might be useful to others, in light of anytime a serial number for a gun is needed. I have a account, and whenever I get a new gun, I do a private post (one only I can see) with the serial number and complete description. I started doing this because I have a tendency to lose stuff, or if my guns are ever stolen, my paperwork may go with them. This lets me access the info for proof of ownership no matter what happens to the receipts.
  9. .22hustler

    .22hustler G&G Evangelist

    I took pictures of all my firearms with a complete description and serial number. I then burned it to a CD and gave it to my in-laws, who then locked it in their safe...Whenever the authorities come to your home during these "emergencies" to take away your guns, 99 people out of 100 are going to give them up.Flexing our computer muscles and saying we not going down without a fight is hogwash. We as respected citizens and people who have be taught to respect and honor our government are going to do exactly what we're told. You might put up a little resistance but the nazi's are going to get your guns. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are always thrown to the wayside when the goverment troops and police are knocking at your door.Land of the Free???????
  10. Ghost

    Ghost Guest

    .22 that is exactly my point. Why are we standing by and letting this happen. Why don't more people "stick to their guns" (pardon the pun)? Why do we as American citizens allow this to happen. Our government is "for the people, by the people" we should not let them have our rights without a fight.

    And by the way, noone (soldier or government official) will ever take my guns. They will have to pry them out of my cold-dead fingers. I pray I never have to take up arms against my US citizens, but I will never let my rights be infringed upon. And that does not apply only to the Second Amendment. I just wish I knew I had more backup....HA, HA.
  11. SKS NOOB

    SKS NOOB G&G Evangelist

    *sigh* I keep askin it. Why do we have to wait until the bullets start flyin and everybody gets labeled as nutjobs before we do something that is within our rights? I really don't want to wait until the bullets start zinging everywhere just to defend our rights. We can do this just like everybody else does. WE HAVE THAT RIGHT to "peacably assemble".
  12. Rave

    Rave G&G Evangelist

    We stood by and watched Waco.
    That being said,I believe we will stand by and watch anything,especially if the media conditions us on it before it happens.
  13. LiveToShoot

    LiveToShoot Guest

    "A right is not what someone gives you; it's what no one can take from you." ~ Ramsey Clark

    Wake up sheeple!
    Our concerns about anti-gun activities are real...and it's very serious what has happened with people's rights, private property, and their firearms, in Kansas, Louisiana and other places in this US of A.

    Our government, and the government supported media/propaganda, has gotten out of control.

    Wise advice .22....get our firearms info down and keep it in a safe place.

    Thanks for the post Mitch...and for comments by other forum members.

    Last edited: May 19, 2008
  14. Illegal organized criminal activity is what that is. This how they will disarm us. Those ABC agencies, have been set up to take advantage of any situation now, from floods to earthquakes to tornadoes. They come in and basically steal all the good stuff, and take your granddaddy's rifle. This is insult to injury, and it should not be tolerated. When they tell you to leave you better have your valuables with you.
  15. LiveToShoot

    LiveToShoot Guest


    Some of us would need a trailer to tote off our valuables when evacuated...

    I say, if possible, hunker down and hold the fort.
  16. tlarkin

    tlarkin Guest


    I would re-read their EULA and their privacy policies to be sure. You'd be surprised what privacy really means on the internet.
  17. .22hustler

    .22hustler G&G Evangelist

    After re-reading my post, I hope no one thinks we are afraid to stand up together and defend our rights.It's just that the way our laws are, we CAN NOT defend our rights!! The word I have always heard is that let them do what they want, and then take them to court and fight it... We DON"T HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT, IT"S OUR RIGHT TO HAVE PAPPY'S SHOTGUN, rifle, or for that matter, his dam rake or shovel!! But the laws and our rights have been so twisted, we face either physically fighting the police, FBI, CIA, or whatever name/initials you want to hang on them, to protect ourselves from our own government..Everyday our rights are being eroded and there's just about nothing we can do to stop it. There was a thread in here a few months back, asking the members if we believe our own troops would take arms against it's own citizens. There was alot of people hoping that this wouldn't happen,and alot of us fellow vets saying we couldn't as that would be an illegal order but the truth is it would happen. Any foreign country:scared: would being ill-advised to attempt to invade us because of the amount of armed citizens, but I believe our own government wouldn't hesitate one bit.. It's a sad state of affairs. I love my country and the "rights" I have, but I believe it's the government that wants to give us certain rights, and that's BS. :mad:
  18. I had a debate on this same subject on an Ozzie based forum. This is what I posted.It was about Katrina. I hope this is still how most of you feel.

    "I looked back and read the link again. I still cant figure out where the vigilantes were. I watched the video and didn't see any vigilantes. The former mayor,former police chief and former governor were the ones that ordered it. Americans believe or at least use to believe that our rights were given to us for just being born. For me and my friends that includes you and every other human on this planet. Our bill of rights acknowledge the rights afforded to all men. These rights were not given to us by the government they were ours by birth. And one fundamental right that man has is to defend himself. When they confiscated those guns that right was also confiscated. I'm not preaching just trying to explain how we feel"