And to a point you are correct, but my point is that I paid for a gun that all i want it to do is go boom and hit its target. It does that perfectly. I paid more for my other guns because i paid for better looking and more features on those guns. so I guess you are correct.
I only use my guns to assassinate sheets of paper and if need be, to protect myself and family, although I HOPE i NEVER have to find out how well it does that.
I have shot a 9mm Hi Point a few times and each time it has shot flawlessly every time. I would have no quarrels about owning one. It wouldn't be one I want to carry but the gun isn't really meant for carry so that is a non-issue. I have thought about buying one but have always had other guns on my "want" list.
I was going to keep my opinions to myself on this, mostly because no one asked for them. But here we go anyway.
There are several brands I can't endorse. However, if the low-cost but functional pistols didn't exist, low income people wouldn't be able to own pistols. I am fine with that; they fill a niche or they would have gone out of business.
I bought both a Glock 22 .40 S&W, and a Hi-Point C9 9x19mm Parabellum pistol on the same day. Both have had the same amount of malfunctions; none/zero. I admit I am kind of a Glockhead, but I love my Hi-Point too! Am I the only person on earth (or at least this forum) that thinks that both Glocks and Hi-Points are cool looking? I mean, they aren't Taurus PT809 Sexy, but they are sweet looking pistols.
My shop doesn't sell them, but we occasionally do get a transfer if someone found one online and needed an FFL for paperwork.
Every one I ever picked up...rattled. I have no idea where, specifically, the noise was coming from, but it seemed to be in the general area that would include the feed ramp and back about maybe...oh, half way to the rear of the slide. They all made the same sound (in varying degrees of intensity) whether full battery or slide locked. I'd compare it to the sound of tiny loose beads lightly shaken in a pop bottle... (What IS that?? Seriously!)
Anyhow, Mr.Jet's nephew bought one someplace in Indy and when I finally got free for a little range time, I was able to try it for myself.
It felt pretty weird "in hand", and to the best of my ability, I'll describe how...
I don't know what the design is supposed to do differently than other handguns, but to me it seemed that ALL of the weight was in the top.
Even with a fully loaded mag, it still felt like a fist full of McDonald straws taped together with a brick on top.
My first thought was "maybe that's some sort of "recoil reducing" plan.
Not so much.
It was chunky (for my hands), top-heavy, snappy, and sort of felt toy-ish (to me...but then again, I'm used to steel).
If people like them and choose to depend on them...more power to them.
Having had several in my hands and then spending trigger time with one... I'm not one of those people. Choices are a good thing.
YMMV
'1911's aren't worth the prices on 'em"... "I" wouldn't have one at those prices"
... "Hi Points are junk, I wouldn't have one"
"Colt is the only one who should make 1911's"
"good guns for the price"
I see no irrefutable facts there, just opinions. Opinions are NOT always facts that must apply to anyone else.
Be glad we have a choice, and get on with it. Rants, locker-room language, and keyboard confrontations accomplish nothing. This forum should (and usually does) have more class than that.
At one time I could have listed some imported former combloc country pistols that I would have recommended over either a Hi-Point or the 1-2 other brands of inexpensive pistols on the market.
But, those surplus pistols are drying up and getting pricey.
So, if someone is on a very tight budget and needs a pistol for home defense now(not when a good buy comes along) yes it might be a good choice.
My only expereince has been with the carbine my cousin had and I was surprised at how accurate and reliable it was for what it was.
Again I think someone would be better served in the long run saving up for a different pistol. But not all can afford that luxury of time or money if for whatever reason they need a pistol NOW.
They are what they are I've no illusions about it but I've seen lemons cranked out by "better" makers. It's just an odds game we all play when it comes to QC.
I heard so much of the Hi Point haters rants it really pissed me off. So I carried my happy self to the Mesquite Tx gun show and bought a Hi Point .40 SW. This pistol does absolutely what my $2000.00 M1911 does. It goes bang and then makes a neat hole in the target where I aimed. I love it! Well that's a little kinky, but I like it a lot!
I don't own one nor will I ever own one. I have shot friends and like nothing about them. The way they feel in my hand, the balance, nor the triggers. Both of my friends that own them have had problems with theirs. One friend had the 9mm, 40, and 45. He bought all three at the same time to see which caliber he preferred before spending money on a more expensive gun. All three of the guns had feeding issues. He did send them back to Hi Point and they did correct the problem so I will give their customer service an A+. The other friend bought his 9mm as a first gun to see if shooting was something that would interest him. His pistol also jammed with various factory loads. His pistol was fixed as well and he went on to buy the 9mm and 40S&W Carbines. These are the only experience I have with Hi Point and I will not bother with them. People can call me a gun snob all they want. I have been called far worse.
I never seem to find myself criticizing another's brand of firearm. It might be the only one he has, and he just might shoot it really well.
I own several semi-auto pistols and a few more revolvers, yet I can honestly say I'd rather have a wheel gun in my hand if the need arises. If I need an auto, I'd rather have my AK. If I'm in my shop, any of these will do in a pinch. My house likes scatterguns.
I own a Hi Point .40. Would I carry it? No. Simply because I don't want to pack a brick on my side. It does reside under the bed though with 10 165gr HP in the mag.
I have owned a little bit of almost anything. The ONLY guns I consider "junk" have been my Paras (with deep apologies to para owners) but my experience with their guns and customer service has been horrible (to include their rep attempting to insult both my intelligence and experience--but I am not very easily insulted). I have 2 hi-point 995 carbines and both have functioned flawlessly with everything I've put thru them. The ONLY complaint is the stock (I have the older one) tends to sting and they are capacity limited. They outshoot most every handgun I own. I would shamelessly carry a Hi-Point, but they are too bulky for me and I like my Sigs for autoloaders and truthfully can often be caught with a revolver being a huge revolver fan. Depends on my dress and the weather, situation, etc.--as it should.
Any gun can be a beauty or a beast and the eye is in the beholder. The ONLY bad gun is one which does not do what is supposed to do (go bang when it is supposed to; not go bang when it is not supposed to, is accurate, and does the intended job well). My Charter Bulldog is on par with my C3 in terms of accuracy if I do my part--the only hard part is shooting a snubby accurately which can be difficult due to short sight radius and low weight compared with trigger pull.
I have never experienced "limp wristing" with any autoloader and believe it to be a myth except maybe with the uber-short .45's (given any reasonable training and grip).
EVERY autoloader (save 2) has had some type of FTF that I've shot. I think these 2 just don't have enough rounds through them.
I use most all of our words in print, but try not to use the fouler ones too often because I like to save them for when I need them to make a point. When I over use them in speech it is usually a hanging out with the guys thing.
My shop doesn't sell them, but we occasionally do get a transfer if someone found one online and needed an FFL for paperwork.
Every one I ever picked up...rattled. I have no idea where, specifically, the noise was coming from, but it seemed to be in the general area that would include the feed ramp and back about maybe...oh, half way to the rear of the slide.
That rattle is from the firing pin, which does double duty as the ejector. If you gentle pull back the slide and look inside, you see that after a certain point, the firing pin starts to stick out, in order to push out the spent round. When uncocked and unloaded, it basically bounces back and forth in its little channel.
my 2 fave guns out of all i own or ever have owned?
ruger sp101 (cheap)
s&w 27-2 nickle plated 8 3/8 " bbl(not cheap)
the moral of this story?
heck if i know.
I don't like High Points. Never will and can't see a scenario in which I would own one. If anyone ever asks me about them I list the pros and cons for them. I never knew anyone who hated them that owned one. I hear their CS/warranty is above any other.
Hey buy what you want. You'll get no lip from me. Reminds me of the "Taurus's are crap" snobs out there.
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