Well I went to the gunshow this weekend hoping to find a G21. Unfortunately the only reasonably priced one I saw was a 2nd generation and I want a 3rd gen. However, while I was walking around I spotted a G17 priced at $400, $500 with the laser that was on it. My friend and I both agreed that this was a great deal and one of us should get it. Long story short, I offered the guy $380 and came away with an excellent condition 3rd generation G17, a case, and 2 mags This is my first Glock and it shoots great even if it isn't the caliber i was looking for, at that price I just couldn't pass it up.