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Hakim vs. Garand

Discussion in 'M1 Garand' started by Hans R Colt, May 8, 2002.

  1. Hans R Colt

    Hans R Colt G&G Newbie

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    Which one would you want in a foxhole with you?

    I like the stripper clip system much better than en-bloc loading...
    But you don't have to worry about Garands breaking their extractors either...
     
  2. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    The Garand is the clear choice here. The Hakim is better at LONG range shots and taking out vehicles, but the Garand is much handier, being shorter and MUCH lighter. Plus the Garand does not blow gases in the vicinity of the shooter's face. I like Hakims, but would rather have the Garand in combat, unless I was fighting across a fairly flat desert.
     

  3. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    Never loaded a Hakim, but I have the feeling the Garand would be faster and easier to load. The clips would go in faster and more easily, and they all go in at once, instead of one at a time. M1 is less barrel heavy too, shorter, and lighter overall.
    In the bigger picture, good ammo is more common for M1, as are reloading supplies, and armor piercing ammo.
     
  4. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    The Hakim is faster to load because it has a detachable box magazine, like the M-14.
     
  5. BattleRifleG3

    BattleRifleG3 G&G Evangelist

    I had the impression that the Hakim's box was still meant to be loaded while installed. True/false?
     
  6. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    I had one and never loaded it from the top. I always loaded the mag first, then slapped it on the rifle. It CAN be loaded from the top, if you WANT to. Personally, I did not want my figers anywhere near the bolt/carrier/cover assembly when it was open.
     
  7. Hans R Colt

    Hans R Colt G&G Newbie

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    I like that the Hakim has grasping rails for better grip...my hands just can't seem to get a good grip on the forend of a Garand during rapid fire drills...I seem to do much better with the Hakim.

    As for the magazine reloading, that darn dual locking system for holding the mag in place just irritates the heck out of me, so I just put the rifle on safe, load the stripper clip of ammo into the mag, swing the selector to the Fire position, load, and I'm off! I was trading shots with this guy with a Garand at the range, and my reloading time was a bit slower, though.

    Rapid fire just heats up the rear sight so much that after 30 rounds, it's just too hot to adjust, so I've just been practicing snap shooting with the sight set at 300 meters and just holding under for close-range targets.
     
  8. Dennis

    Dennis G&G Evangelist

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    I would pick the Hakim if I was in a bayonet fight.
     
  9. Hans R Colt

    Hans R Colt G&G Newbie

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    You've got a "point" there, Dennis!

    By the way, everybody...Thanks for keeping the Ljungmann/Hakim/Rashid forum alive...it's lonely in here!
     
  10. How-do guys, I'M back. The thing I like about Hakiems is the wierd looks you get when you take it off the rack at the range. Boy do they back up when it starts to talk...
     
  11. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    Sure would hate to get butt-stroked with a Hakim.
     
  12. Hans R Colt

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    The muzzle brake always starts a debate at the range as to whether or not it's a "flash hider." I keep telling everyone that the ATF wouldn't have allowed it into the country with a flash hider/flash suppressor. I like to sit next to the garand guys and tell them how much I really paid for my baby...they usually are impressed by how little recoil it generates.
     
  13. WyrTwister

    WyrTwister G&G Newbie



    I have no problem with stripper clips with a Mauser , but have problems with them on my Hakim .

    No problem with the Garand clips .

    Over all , I think the Garand is a little more well developed design .

    Wish I had a 8mm barrel on one of my Garands , to shoot the cheap Turk Ammo . :)

    Wyr
    God Bless
     
  14. WyrTwister

    WyrTwister G&G Newbie


    Are you sure you are not thinking about the M1 Carbine ?

    M1 Garand is normally .30-06 . It has , in the past , been used in 1,000 yard matches .

    I do not see that 8mm is that much superior at long range ?

    Wyr
    God Bless
     
  15. WyrTwister

    WyrTwister G&G Newbie

    Have you priced those mags ? They are higher than M-14 mags . 8 roung Garand clips $ .35 - .50 each . That is cents , not dollars .

    It was intended to load with stripper clips , which I am not good at . Like the enfields , Mausers , MN's & Springfields .

    A M1A / M-14 can be loaded with stripper clips , pretty easily , if you do not have a scope on it .

    Wyr
    God Bless
     
  16. WyrTwister

    WyrTwister G&G Newbie



    True .

    Wyr
    God Bless
     
  17. WyrTwister

    WyrTwister G&G Newbie


    Very understandable , but if you play it by the rules , you are ok .

    Wyr
    God Bless
     
  18. Klaus

    Klaus G&G Newbie

    WyrTwister, compared to the Hakim, the M1 Garand is much handier. I do not know if you ever saw a Hakim, but they are gigantic. The Hakim is also quite a bit more powerful, especially at long ranges. I am quite aware of the difference between a M1 Garand and a M1 carbine.
     
  19. Hans R Colt

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    I like the amount of energy a 196 grain bullet can impart on a target at 700-1000 yards, and it's heavier weight makes it more resistant to wind deflection at that same range, where a lot of rifle bullets start to go subsonic and lose a lot of their accuracy. Granted, the .30-06 saves you elevation clicks on a scope because of its taut ballistic trajectory, but I've seen 8mm penetrate car doors even at that range...and just the regular copper jacket.
     
  20. Hans R Colt

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    Re: Re: Hakim vs. Garand




    The two things that concern me about the Garand are:

    1. TIMING. If the timing of the lockworks or the gas system is
    off, then you've got to take it to the gunsmith and have
    him/her inspect it and fix/replace parts for the cost of one
    Hakim.

    2. AMMO. You can still buy Turk ammo for 12 cents a round;
    haven't seen that price for '.06 in years!

    PS: Can you tell that I'm poor?