Has anybody seen info on this "RIP" ammunition before?

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  1. Jay

    Jay Old man, No tact... Staff Member Forum Contributor

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    On first glance, it appears to be a pretty effective bullet. I think it may be worth keeping an eye on.



    G2R RIP 2014 - YouTube
     
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    That'll leave a mark for surelol

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  3. Brother Bob

    Brother Bob G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

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    Looks like one round would really be enough to cause massive trauma to whatever it hits. Getting shot in the foot with this round could be lethal. Scary.
     
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  4. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

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    Looks interesting but there are some disturbing marketing comments--like the "saw" one. Bullets with points never really saw through anything due to rotation because their turn rate would never allow this (by the time they complete one revolution or so they are already at their max penetration depth).

    I've been burned by some forms of DRT/Tungesten/Magtech/Glazer, etc. which ended up having unpredictable performance at the end of the day.

    Might be worth looking into for the lighter calibers--the validation to me would be performance after the FBI test batteries of barriers then penetration. If it did well in the test protocols then I'd consider giving it a try. Hornady seems to have gotten it right through most of this; their boolits did well on the FBI stuff and folks who have subsequently tested them both formally and informally have observed good performance--as have the bonded/gold dot/unicore and latter generation HST.

    For the larger calibers I like heavier boolits. 40s somewhere in between but not ready to give up my critical duty yet.

    Thanks for the post !
     
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  5. swedesrus

    swedesrus G&G Evangelist

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    Looks like over kill to me !............
     
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    Jay Old man, No tact... Staff Member Forum Contributor

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    JJ, I wondered about the "saw" reference as well......methinks it may be marketing-related.... :dunno:

    I don't see me trading in my Hydro-Shok's for the RIP ammo, any time soon.
     
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    Agreed. For now I will stay with Speer Gold Dot for HD. But it will be interesting to see further testing. Looks like a it is nasty on balloons full of water. :)
     
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  8. mauser9

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    Holy Cr**. Sounds like the Black Talon debacle from years back. Am sure some lawyers will be all over this one soon.
     
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  9. Twitch2120

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    using their data fired from a Glock 17 that bullet is turning at 92,560 RPM. unsure how to calculate that over a given distance for the saw effect but it seems plausible.
     
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    Kinda hyped up video,like an infomercial.I'd like to see TNoutdoors do a test on you tube .
     
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  11. TXplt

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    It's also moving at 1100-1300 feet per second.

    A real quick way to do it is look at the twist rate of the barrel. The smaller glocks are around a 1 in 9. This means in 14 inches of penetration/gel the bullet would have gone around 1.5 times. I don't think their .45 would even have gone around once in this distance.

    Most saws I use need significantly more sawing than twice.
     
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    making me do math. yuck. the projectile slows considerably when hitting barriers or entering gel.

    assuming a their 45 hits 1000 FPS then its turning at 45000 RPM
     
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    Jay Old man, No tact... Staff Member Forum Contributor

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    True, but I'd guess that pressed against your skin, even a half-turn of the projectile by hand could cause a fair amount of tissue damage.... and traveling at likely 900 fps+, that damage would easily occur internally. :dunno:

    Not pro, or con... just sayin'
     
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    Buy it

    Get it while you can!
     
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    Looks very interesting. Also looks legally liable.
     
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  16. mauser9

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    Surgeons will have a chore pickin those pieces out. Yeah could be an issue.
     
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    Bullet RPM = MV X 720/Twist Rate (in inches)

    or

    MV x (12/twist rate in inches) x 60 = Bullet RPM

    so a bullet traveling 1300fps from a 1:9" twist would turn approx. 104,000 times per minute or approx. 1733.3 times per second.

    Edit:

    With a bullet starting out at 98gr and losing a large portion in a short distance I wonder how well the actual terminal performance is. The remaining slug probably only weighs 40 to 50grs. So the base of the bullet would act as a solid. It may or may not track straight and penetrate to vital organs either.

    I think it's an interesting concept but I would really like to see actual third party testing before I would entertain the thought.
     
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  18. Jay

    Jay Old man, No tact... Staff Member Forum Contributor

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    ...from a 1:9 twist barel, that bullet will make 1 revolution in 9" of travel, regardless of the time element. If one uses body thickness of 12", then that round will make approx 1 and 1/3 revolutions before it exits the body. That being said, as I see it, if the bullet fragments as depicted, it will fragment long before a complete revolution occurs, and the "saw" effect wouldn't contribute much.....
     
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  19. surgicaltech

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    Aint that the truth.
     
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    Very interesting concept. However it does not look like surgeons will have to pick out the pieces on a shredded body. Imagine an officer needing to place three shots body mass, if just one shot will tear a body up, 3 will gut and filet. There will be no need for a surgeon, just a mortician with modeling clay and make up.
     
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