Have Rifle, Will Travel.

Rex in OTZ said:

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A pump .223?
Remington made one that used AR type magazines.

Ruger produced a pretty neat .44 magnum lever action utilizing that 4 round detachable rotary box magazine.
1A+ for reloading speed.
The Ruger model 96/44.
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Then again Marlin mfg their levermatic 62 in .30 carbine.
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Henry Arms long ranger .223 is a Browning 81 knockoff.
The rack and pinion leveraction in .223.

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The pump action Savage 170 .30/30 winchester.

.45 Colt revolvers.

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Cimarron Revolving Carbine .45 LC SA Revolver 6 shot Rifle 18"


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Rossi Circuit Judge - Revolver Carbine in .45 Colt​

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I also like the idea of a PUMP style ar in .223.

Its kinda overpriced, but troy industries makes a really neat pump action style ar rifle that I would love to have, its kinda like the modern lever gun if you ask me.

whats nice is you get alot of the capability of an ar-15( though arguably not as fast follow up shots) but its not a semi auto allowing it to get around alot of gun bans, and also due to that there is less to break compared to a semi auto.


also i just found this straight pull bolt style ar they offer as well.


I think these are really innovative and neat for those who cant have or dont want a semi auto.

Now that i think about it a pump would be way beter because you can charge it with your support hand. the straight pull requires breaking your grip to cycle it.

this one has the pump and folding stock:

Actually back in 1980's I had a M38 Carcano cavalry carbine and a few boxes of Norma cartridges.
She was stubby but untouched otherwise.
6 shots quick loaded w embloc clips.
The 6.5 carcano is no slouch.
Without the clips its a single shot.
Other than the wierd bore diameter and embloc clip, its a classic short, compact accurate truck gun.
My example could bust milk jugs at 315 paces
Only down side is, its a bugger reloading, and split bridge receiver makes mounting a scope hard but not impossible.

All this talk and I may have a better option. This one survived a cut of two semi auto Ruger 44s and a lever action Ruger 44. I just like my bolt guns!



Ruger 77/44

MiketheTraveler said:

When traveling, either a 357M revolver or a 1911 compact. When camping, the 357M and a 357M lever. Nobody would look twice if they saw either one, and I am not under-gunned for anything close enough to worry me. Were we go, the meatiest animal is a black bear, and I am not all that inclined to precipitate an argument with any bear or lion anyway.

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1,851 fps is what Buffalo Bore says their 180 grain ammo will do from an 18.5 inch Marlin lever action. That is over 1,300 foot pounds at the muzzle. Their 158 grain load gets 2,153 fps out of the Marlin lever gun, that is 1,600 foot pounds. A 30-30 can have 1,900 foot pounds so not quite there but pretty close. I have both a Marlin and a Rossi and do not worry about bears when we camp where they are. I vacillate between things like my AR pistol in 300 BLK with it's 30 round mag, no problem in the western states but when we travel in the anti gun states, I agree with you Mike, a pistol and lever gun in 357 mag is not lightly armed, not at all. Those bolt action Rugers in 357 and 44 mag make a lot of sense also, hard to find and not cheap. The stainless all weather is pretty sweet too, although the 77/44 shown by Animal Spooker is one gorgeous. I love my ugly guns that I hunt with, but just the same, steel and wood sure are fine to look at. My 16 inch Rossi is for the want of a better word, "cute". Looks like this, not mine but the same. It weighs 5 pounds. Just like the 44 mag the OP showed at post 17. Great minds think alike?

TACAV said:

Ive been looking at those new Ruger made Marlin .45-70s. like the 1895 BBL or something. The new Ruger made ones are really nice. Dangit you're not helping my itch lol.

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Let me make your itch worse. We have both the Marlins and Rossis in 357. They are all great and do everything a guy wants to do with a lever except bigger bullets are for bigger game. The Henry Golden Boy is very heavy but looks best on the wall. The Winchesters are Winchesters, the standard., hauled one around for decades, every gun guy should have one on 30-30.

My big gun is the Guide Gun, in the plain stainless and walnut model. Mine is a 2009, , 1895 GS model, made by Remlin.

Remington did the same as Ruger is now, a big advertising splash about the same gun. Mine was the first year in stainless, and my first stainless rifle.

I now have three stainless levers, like my early law enforcement handguns , model 60, 65, and 66 once you have one and carry it out in the weather, you never go back. Levers in stainless also look sharp.

When I bought mine, the hype was that Remlins were inferior, I have three of the Remlins now, nothing inferior at all when I put them side by side with the old Marlins and they shoot jacketed bullets bettter than the old shallow micro-groove.. . The Guide Gun has polish as fine as any you will find. I have lots of levers, even have one I am cutting for a suppressor, and some are scoped. But I refuse to put anything on the Marlin Guide Gun. No big loop lever or brass peep sights or picatanny rails, it is perfect as it is for what it is. If I want gawdy crap, I can hang it on my ARs, and I have. lol.

I hunt deer in open country and only kill old deer, so I do not risk a long shot with the levers, my 257 Wby does that. But when I want to look for hogs or just walk around with massive power, or camp in bear country, that carbine is the best.. The Marlin GG weighs 7 pounds, same at the Marlin 336 or Win 94. The balance point in carrying a lever must be where you can hold it loose in your hand where the action and barrel meet and it balances, you can carry it all day that way. It meets that test. Gun tests did a review on the blued version a couple years ago, they reported one inch groups with several brands of ammo. Worth the read, they gave it an "A".. Marlin 1895G Guide Gun 70462 45-70 Government - Gun Tests (gun-tests.com)

I have lots of load recipes for it from mild to wild. I cast a 340 grain bullet ( Lee mold) that I load as a trap door load, I use Unique pistol powder and get a measly 1200 fps or so. Trajectory is like a 22, not much use shooting over 100 yards, however it is plenty for Buffalo or deer or hogs. And the recoil is like a 243 or 410. Anyone can shoot it. For shooting snakes and turtle in a pond, it makes a big splash.


... And I have loads for 300, 350, and 405 grain bullets. I do not load to the max, but hot enough that the recoil is like my 300 Weatherby Mag. When I shoot it, I take some of each. I let it beat my shoulder a while, then enjoy the cast loads. You will love 45-70. It is a mans gun.

A pocket full of bullets looks like this, my last batch, some 350 and some 405 grain. There is no question you have something in the pocket. Only a little over twice the weight of 45 acp, but they are big. Below is a pic of my last batch, 350 and 450 grain. When you start popping rounds at a range, folks come take a look, I always let them shoot it. Most only fire one round.



45-70
405 grain bullet
rounds per pound 11.2
weight per 100 rounds 8.9

45ACP
230gr Winchester Bal
Rounds per pound: 21.33
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 4.6
.22 LR
Remington Golden 36gr PHP
Rounds per pound: 133.33
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 0.75
.223/5.56X45 Green SS109 63gr
Rounds per pound: 37.21
Weight per 100 rounds (lbs): 2.69

Lever Guns have a cult following , Paco Kelley the retired DEA agent led the charge for many years and still is the authority on killing stuff with them from 357 to 454. The 45-70 is yet another cult within the clan. They can become addictive. It happened to me, and one leads to another and another, and...you have been warned.

TACAV said:

Ive been looking at those new Ruger made Marlin .45-70s. like the 1895 BBL or something. The new Ruger made ones are really nice. Dangit you're not helping my itch lol.

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There is a trapper model on GB now. The bid is $1900. Think it closes tomorrow, not a Rugarlin, but nice gun just the same. The peep and big lever and threaded barrel take away but my old eyes tell me maybe I will try a peep on my 357 Rossi. I shoot many guns suppressed 358 cal and under, but just wonder how heavy the suppressor is for the 45-70? Suppose it would make it pretty front heavy and solve that recoil issue.

46camper said:

I don’t have any AR/AK rifles I don’t have any pistol type carbines . Such as a Ruger , Kel-Tech nothing like that .
If I’m travailing far from home I may take a pistol and for a long gun a short barreled Mossberg 500. Or it my be a same pistol and my lever action.44 mag.
I have even taken my single shot 45-70.
The way I look at it if there is a SHTF while I’m away from home that any rifle / shotgun I have will be better then nothing.
In SHTF my plan is to get back home as quick as possible, to avoid contact with others and to only defend.
With all that said the Mossberg 500 and a sidearm is what I take.
The way things are as far as different states and there gun laws are. I try to take weapons that are not on the list of “bad guns” . Not as intimidating.


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If you have a short shotgun and any center fire pistol you are pretty well armed. We travel in an RV, 5 th wheel, tiny trailers and in between sizes for decades. Bought my first 13 foot trailer in 1974. I have never wanted to be in a fight in some other state and look like Rambo. So I agree with you completely on that subject. And you are pretty darn well armed with a lever gun.

So I often carry a short shotgun like you, a big handgun, a Glock or a 357, and a third small 380 or 9mm or 38. The little one is for my wife. Depends on the states we are going to. I bought two J frame 38s just for our RV travels a few years ago. Two 38s and a shotgun is all we took.

We did buy the Keltec Sub 2000 a couple years ago, It takes the Glock 19 mags, and I have a Glock 19 , and if my wife takes her Ruger 9mm, all we need is 9mm ammo. Another thought about traveling with guns that worries me is getting far from your truck like when fishing, hunting or hiking. You come back to you truck and some guy is standing there
with your extra gun. Ouch.

I have a couple small safes in my truck and Jeep, I chain them to the back seat. I also have those heavy duty bike locks that will secure a long gun. The Keltec Sub 2000 is kind of an ugly gun. But, it folds to 16.5 inches and when hiking I just put it in a backpack. I do have one of those 33 round mags that stays in that backpack. It us just a novelty, except I put 30 rounds in it. In a SHTF it would be handy. A 9mm long gun and a 9 mm on the hip is pretty well armed. I am good with that package, anywhere except the NW where they have those beware the bears signs. They make them in 40 also.







I know a guy who carried only a 44 mag lever gun, with a 16 inch barrel. He carried it in his Corvette. Tony was a Viet Nam vet and had AR 15s he used to hunt coyotes and hogs back in 1972, long before the current craze. He would ride around on family land and just rural roads where he was from. He was known for his ability to shoot coyotes on the run with his AR.,

Tony was single and had a good job and several guns and lived and worked in a big city with me, going home to the farm in weekends. . One day asked him why he did not carry a handgun in the vet. Instead of the lever gun. He laughed. He said big city cops do not like black men with handguns in their cars, but they did not care much if you have a lever action. So, the only gun he brought to the city was that trapper model 44 mag. Makes sense.

I have a 16 inch Rossi lever in 357. I may go back to it and a 357 pistol. Nothing shabby about a 357. With all the crazies shooting up places everyday. It only makes since to gave a gun around. Shotguns are actually looking better to me.

What ever works.