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Have Rifle, Will Travel.

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Just curious. The wife and I are going on a trip for a few days. Wondering, when all of you travel out of state for extended periods of time (4+ days), do you ever take a rifle with you? Something like a self defense rifle? I don't mean you bolt action 30-06 or your lever action 45-70 (sorry Griz), and also, I don't mean for any type of hunting trip. I'm referring to a rifle similar to an AR or AK with high cap mags, something you would want to have if the SHTF, and you needed it to get home or at least out of an urban area.

What say you fine folks?
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If you have a short shotgun and any center fire pistol you are pretty well armed. We travel in an RV, 5 th wheel, tiny trailers and in between sizes for decades. Bought my first 13 foot trailer in 1974. I have never wanted to be in a fight in some other state and look like Rambo. So I agree with you completely on that subject. And you are pretty darn well armed with a lever gun.

So I often carry a short shotgun like you, a big handgun, a Glock or a 357, and a third small 380 or 9mm or 38. The little one is for my wife. Depends on the states we are going to. I bought two J frame 38s just for our RV travels a few years ago. Two 38s and a shotgun is all we took.

We did buy the Keltec Sub 2000 a couple years ago, It takes the Glock 19 mags, and I have a Glock 19 , and if my wife takes her Ruger 9mm, all we need is 9mm ammo. Another thought about traveling with guns that worries me is getting far from your truck like when fishing, hunting or hiking. You come back to you truck and some guy is standing there
with your extra gun. Ouch.

I have a couple small safes in my truck and Jeep, I chain them to the back seat. I also have those heavy duty bike locks that will secure a long gun. The Keltec Sub 2000 is kind of an ugly gun. But, it folds to 16.5 inches and when hiking I just put it in a backpack. I do have one of those 33 round mags that stays in that backpack. It us just a novelty, except I put 30 rounds in it. In a SHTF it would be handy. A 9mm long gun and a 9 mm on the hip is pretty well armed. I am good with that package, anywhere except the NW where they have those beware the bears signs. They make them in 40 also.

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I know a guy who carried only a 44 mag lever gun, with a 16 inch barrel. He carried it in his Corvette. Tony was a Viet Nam vet and had AR 15s he used to hunt coyotes and hogs back in 1972, long before the current craze. He would ride around on family land and just rural roads where he was from. He was known for his ability to shoot coyotes on the run with his AR.,

Tony was single and had a good job and several guns and lived and worked in a big city with me, going home to the farm in weekends. . One day asked him why he did not carry a handgun in the vet. Instead of the lever gun. He laughed. He said big city cops do not like black men with handguns in their cars, but they did not care much if you have a lever action. So, the only gun he brought to the city was that trapper model 44 mag. Makes sense.

I have a 16 inch Rossi lever in 357. I may go back to it and a 357 pistol. Nothing shabby about a 357. With all the crazies shooting up places everyday. It only makes since to gave a gun around. Shotguns are actually looking better to me.

What ever works.
I have wanted one of those Kel Tec Sub 2000s for quite some time. For the longest time I was wanting the Unicorn model (Glock 23) but couldn't find one. The one time I did find it I only had my credit card on me and the dealer at the gun show only took cash. I started to go get cash from an ATM on the Casino floor but their service fee was outrageous so I stopped. Haven't seen one since. Now I think i'm going to go with one that takes non Glock mags because they sell magazine releases that will fit most any magazine type. Was thinking of getting the CZ adapter to have with my CZs since I prefer them over the Glock.
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I have wanted one of those Kel Tec Sub 2000s for quite some time. For the longest time I was wanting the Unicorn model (Glock 23) but couldn't find one. The one time I did find it I only had my credit card on me and the dealer at the gun show only took cash. I started to go get cash from an ATM on the Casino floor but their service fee was outrageous so I stopped. Haven't seen one since. Now I think i'm going to go with one that takes non Glock mags because they sell magazine releases that will fit most any magazine type. Was thinking of getting the CZ adapter to have with my CZs since I prefer them over the Glock.
If you get the Glock model that takes the shorter Glock 19 and not the one takes the Glock 17. The reason is the short one takes them all, 19, 17, and even the 33 round mags. Same deal jf you get one that takes the 40. Choose the one that takes the shorter one, for the Glock 23, it takes all the longer ones.

Also, the Gen two is the one with the threaded barrel if you live in a state that allows them. I sometimes put a suppressor on mine
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If you get the Glock model that takes the shorter Glock 19 and not the one takes the Glock 17. The reason is the short one takes them all, 19, 17, and even the 33 round mags. Same deal jf you get one that takes the 40. Choose the one that takes the shorter one, for the Glock 23, it takes all the longer ones.

Also, the Gen two is the one with the threaded barrel if you live in a state that allows them. I sometimes put a suppressor on mine
Yeah i've had my Glock 23 since 1991-92 and was wanting one to share the same magazines. Much easier than trying to carry carbine mags and then separate pistol mags. The Glock 23 model is getting harder to find now since the 40 is starting to lose favor with gun manufacturers.
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Yeah i've had my Glock 23 since 1991-92 and was wanting one to share the same magazines. Much easier than trying to carry carbine mags and then separate pistol mags. The Glock 23 model is getting harder to find now since the 40 is starting to lose favor with gun manufacturers.
The 40 cal is misunderstood by many. In every aspect it is better that the 9 and tops the 45 in many ways. I really would like to have one of those EMPs in 40. They stopped making them and they are not cheap. I have an Officers Model 45, which is about the same size so I could never justify it. We have 40s in the family so I shoot them now and again. Great round.

Most people do not buy them because of the recoil, they will claim the 9 is equal, Yada, Yada, but the real story is the recoil. They just want the lower recoil o f the nine.I have heard guys say they went to the 9 over the 40 because ammon was cheaper. Then I find out the guybshoots 3-4 boxes per year, It is always the recoil, lol.
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After 100,000's of miles I have stopped carrying my AR-7 and changed over to a Keltec Sub-2000. The Sub-2000 uses the same mags and ammo as my Glock 19. I found a Plano sling pack and carry the carbine in that.
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I see Henry Arms Homesteader 9mm carbine, Im crushing on the baby Browning BAR look.
The Homesteader comes with 3 magazine options.
Henry format MagWell.
Glock MagWell.
Sig/M&P MagWell.
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Also Chiappa makes a m-1/9 faux m-1 carbine 9mm that uses m-9 magazines.
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One thing all this talk of firearms is what happens if you are called upon to defend yourself in a particular state.
If say you are defending from a break-in in states with castle doctrine, which allows a person to defend themselves using force while in the home or their vehicles, but have a duty to retreat in public places. These states are Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New York, New Jersey, and Rhode Island.

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POF-USA, known for its lineup of AR-style rifles, shocked the industry with its Tombstone, a lever-action, pistol-caliber carbine that accepts a detachable box magazine. The Tombstone is an entirely new concept, incorporating little in the way of classic lever-action lines or design. Since the company was able to depart from traditional forms, though, it came up with new features that make this design attractive from several standpoints.
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The POF-USA Tombstone is chambered in 9 mm Luger and feeds from a standard 20-round magazine. Ten-round magazines are also available for a reduced form factor, if desired. The 4150 steel barrel is free-floated and surrounded by an AR-style Modular Receiver Rail complete with M-Lok attachment slots. At the back end of the gun is Magpul’s SGA shotgun stock. Other features include a dual-port muzzle brake, XS ghost-ring sights, a Picatinny optics rail and a 3.5-lb. single-stage trigger.



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POF-USA, known for its lineup of AR-style rifles, shocked the industry with its Tombstone, a lever-action, pistol-caliber carbine that accepts a detachable box magazine. The Tombstone is an entirely new concept, incorporating little in the way of classic lever-action lines or design. Since the company was able to depart from traditional forms, though, it came up with new features that make this design attractive from several standpoints.
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The POF-USA Tombstone is chambered in 9 mm Luger and feeds from a standard 20-round magazine. Ten-round magazines are also available for a reduced form factor, if desired. The 4150 steel barrel is free-floated and surrounded by an AR-style Modular Receiver Rail complete with M-Lok attachment slots. At the back end of the gun is Magpul’s SGA shotgun stock. Other features include a dual-port muzzle brake, XS ghost-ring sights, a Picatinny optics rail and a 3.5-lb. single-stage trigger.




That tombstone looks pretty cool! though i think the massive 2 chamber muzzle brake might be alittle unnecessary!
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The simple answer is check the firarms laws before you travel to other states.
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Since i posted last, things have changed a little. the pistol brace rule is up in the air, so that can potentially change the use of an ar-pistol, which was my preferred choice.

recently, i built a 14.5" 5.56 rifle, for various reasons. but i just realized that when the rifle is broken down into upper and lower halves, it fits nicely in the same exact case i was using for the 10.5" pistol, only not broken down.

i think for now that will be my travel rifle, as its got all the benefits of a rifle, muzzle velocity, legality across states, etc.. and mitigates some of the drawbacks of the ar pistol platform.

i know 1.5" doesn't sound like much( depends on who you ask!) but to me, it does make a noticeable difference in how "handy" the rifle feels compared to my 16" barrel, and tests show that you lose very little in velocity and energy going from 16" to 14.5"
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Since i posted last, things have changed a little. the pistol brace rule is up in the air, so that can potentially change the use of an ar-pistol, which was my preferred choice.

recently, i built a 14.5" 5.56 rifle, for various reasons. but i just realized that when the rifle is broken down into upper and lower halves, it fits nicely in the same exact case i was using for the 10.5" pistol, only not broken down.

i think for now that will be my travel rifle, as its got all the benefits of a rifle, muzzle velocity, legality across states, etc.. and mitigates some of the drawbacks of the ar pistol platform.

i know 1.5" doesn't sound like much( depends on who you ask!) but to me, it does make a noticeable difference in how "handy" the rifle feels compared to my 16" barrel, and tests show that you lose very little in velocity and energy going from 16" to 14.5"
So you registered it as an SBR then? Anything shorter than 16" has to be registered as an SBR.
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So you registered it as an SBR then? Anything shorter than 16" has to be registered as an SBR.
its a 14.5" barrel with a pinned and welded flash hider that is actually 16.25" overall length and per atf standards is considered a rifle.
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I just did the form 1 on my Glock 41s and I am shopping supressors. With optics, a 5.85" barrel, and a stock I think the 45 ACP is more than effective inside of 100 yards. Add to that a supressor for reducing how much attention I may attract, and it becomes pretty compelling for a "get home" gun. The biggest reason to do it, however is that I can keep the Glock on me at all times. It's never unattended. I can leave the attachments in the vehicle and not lose too much sleep if they become stolen. They aren't dangerous without the matching Glock, which is a less common large frame.

I am all in on it.

I have 2 12" AR SBRs for home, and the two glocks for the road. I am pretty dang pleased.
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The simple answer is check the firarms laws before you travel to other states.
That why I carry a 'John Wayne' assault rifle (336 in 30-30 with a low power scope))! I don't think that would 'offend' any of the silly state laws in any of the states. And it will TCOB in any 'civil unrest' enmornment! A cowboy would say!! ;)
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