Hey folks, just picked up an M14/M1A

Discussion in 'The Powder Keg' started by ACfixer, May 12, 2008.

  1. ACfixer

    ACfixer Global Warming Enthusiast Forum Contributor

    I just got a US Rifle M14, or so it says on the receiver. I guess because it's semi-auto it's really an M1A? Excellent condition, $500. Hope it shoots well, guess I need to start looking for goodies for it.

    Any input or suggestions welcome.
     
  2. Rex Kramer

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    Does the heel look like this one? If yes, it's an FedOrd M14.

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    Clean and grease the rifle, pick up a few USGI/CMI mags and some good ammo.
    Let us know how she shoots.
     
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  3. ACfixer

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    Hmmm no, it says Fed. Ord. and after reading I guess they don't have too good of a reputation. :feedback:

    $500 isn't a bad price and if it needs a little work that's cool I suppose, but I don't want to throw good money after bad either.
     
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  4. Rex Kramer

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    I don't know much about Fed Ord receivers/rifles, but I'm sure you can get information here, EOTAC and Rilfe Company.
     
  5. BigEd63

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    If it works okay you got a great deal, if not you probably at worst paid the going rate for an M14 parts kit for a rifle build.

    BTW- Are there any markings on the bolt?
     
  6. ACfixer

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    Not sure what you mean Ed, what do I look for?

    The seller I've known for 30 years, says he's shot 100's of new ammo through it without a hiccup... I have no reason to doubt his word but seeing ans shooting is believing. He did say it burped a couple times when using his friend "Don's crummy re-loads".

    I generally shoot new ammo so I'm not sweating it too much.

    So, worst case then Ed, where to I get info on a rifle build?
     
  7. I had a Fed Ord M1A a few years back, was a good rifle never had any problems at all with it. just puck yourself up a few mags and shoot the hell out of it. I think it was a good buy.

    lol that should have read PICK yourself up a few mags, but what the hell :)
     
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  8. BigEd63

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    Regarding the bolt, it worth a bit more if Fed Ord used a GI contract M14 bolt. There will be a series of numbers and letters across the "top" of the bolt that you should be able to see with the action closed.
    Or, on the heel aka rear of the bolt.

    There are several experienced M14 builders/repairers in the USA. But I'd cross that bridge when I come to it. So far from what you said the rifle is functional.

    Smith Enterprizes Inc. is one ,as is LRB.

    I'ma bit rushed this morrning but I'll post some more M14 link info soon.
     
  9. Rex Kramer

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    You can find a bunch of M14 info linked from my M14 HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPONS web site.
     
  10. ACfixer

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    Rex, Ed, Privateer, thank you so much for the input. I'll keep you posted as to how she shoots and what if anything needs to be done. I'll try to snap a pic or two later on, I'm not sure what year it was made but it is in extremely nice shape and so I'm hoping for the best. Like I said, I've know the seller since I was 17 and he was 15 and we've been buds and honest with each other for a long time so my feeling on the issue is a good one.

    Best place to buy clips? It came with a 20 rounder but since I live in The Peoples Republic of California ;) I better pick up a couple 10's.

    Lance

    I need to make it look like this Rex!
    http://www.athenswater.com/images/prototype_ChopMod.JPG
     
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  11. BigEd63

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  12. ACfixer

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    I had a few minutes to swing by the range yesterday, she shot very sweet. Very accurate at 50 yards with iron sights and not the slightest hint of a jam. The thing is a freakin' cannon.

    Next time I go out I'll bring a spotting scope and we'll see about 100 and 200... but as of right now I am very happy with the rifle. Good fun!
     
  13. ACFixer
    I think you got a smokin deal. I bet it has a good assortment of usgi parts. Lets see some pic's.
     
  14. ACfixer

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    I looked for markings to indicate that... but not sure what to look for. I need to clean her after work today so I'll snap some pics and pass them along for your perusal. ;)

    Sure was fun to shoot! Can't wait to get out in the the open desert with some containers full of water for a little explosive satisfaction. :D
     
  15. BigEd63

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    Glad you had fun shoooting it and she worked well.
     
  16. I have a Federal Ordnance M14A and have never had a problem with it. Here is some history and additional information on the Federal Ordnance M14A:

    A. R. Sales started on the semi-automatic M14 type rifle project in October, 1971. There were two production lots, one in 1974 and the other in 1976. The first production lot of Mark IV receivers was cast at Rimer Casting Company using Karl Maunz’s receiver master die. The second production batch of Mark IV receivers was cast at Gray-Syracuse, Inc. and machined by Valley Ordnance Co. The first lot of receiver serial numbers ended somewhere between 1 and 225. The receiver serial numbers for the second lot were started at a number below 225 and ended at number 450. Twenty-five serial numbers were skipped between the first lot and the second lot. Mr. Maunz’s receiver master die was also used to produce receiver castings for National Ordnance semi-automatic M14 type rifles (see below). A. R. Sales Mark IV receivers are of decent quality. 2 A. R. Sales was sold off some time after the second production run of Mark IV rifles in 1976.

    At the same time, in the early 1970s, when A. R. Sales was developing its Mark IV receiver, John Arnold was pursuing the same goal of manufacturing and marketing his own semi-automatic M14 type receiver. Mr. Arnold owned National Ordnance, Inc., a firearm manufacturing company, and Federal Ordnance, a firearm parts and ammunition supplier. Mr. Wyant Lamont, Jr., managed the day-to-day operations of National Ordnance. The two sister businesses were located adjacent to one another on Alpaca Street at Potrero Avenue in South El Monte, CA, about one-quarter mile from A. R. Sales. From 1965 to 1970, National Ordnance produced 22,500 newly manufactured M1903A3 receivers and assembled them into complete rifles using USGI surplus parts. National Ordnance also manufactured 2000 M1 Garand welded and investment cast receivers and an unknown number of M1 Carbine investment cast receivers in the 1960s.

    A very small number of National Ordnance stamped semi-automatic M14 type rifles were produced. The receivers were investment cast by Rimer Casting Co but machined by another Ohio business. National Ordnance appears to have gone out of business about 1974 or shortly thereafter with the death of Mr. Arnold. As part of the liquidation of the company’s assets, assembled M14 type rifles and parts kits were sold off. The author is not aware of any collaboration that existed between A. R. Sales and National Ordnance on M14 receiver development.

    Bob Brenner restarted Federal Ordnance by no later than 1982. Jack Karnes went to work for Bob Brenner when Federal Ordnance was revived. In early 1982, Federal Ordnance had plans to produce M1 Garand Rifles using newly manufactured receivers. By 1987, Federal Ordnance was located at 1443 Potrero Avenue South El Monte, CA 91733. It sold military surplus firearms. Federal Ordnance also sold lightweight alloy M1911 style pistol frames marketed under its name and a trade name as well as selling a Springfield Armory, Inc. high-end M1911 style pistol. Reportedly, the lightweight alloy M1911 style pistol frames were originally marketed by A. R. Sales in the early 1970s.

    Federal Ordnance began production of its M14 type rifles by 1986 and ended around 1992. Karl Maunz supplied some receiver castings in 1987 to Federal Ordnance. Federal Ordnance M14 type rifle serial number 22XX was inspected in the factory on February 26, 1987. Likewise, rifle serial number 677X was inspected at the factory on November 17, 1989. Federal Ordnance receivers machined while Jack Karnes was on board were of good quality. 3

    The Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price for a Federal Ordnance M14SA in 1988 was $629.00. The rifles were sold with a one year parts and labor warranty. Each Federal Ordnance M14 type rifle sold was accompanied by a factory inspection tag, warranty registration card, a copy of U. S. Army FM 23-8 and a booklet on firearms safety. The factory inspection tag included the following information about each rifle: date, stock number, a description, caliber, and signature fields for checking of headspace, test firing and inspection. The stock number for the fiberglass stock M14 was GU-0715. USGI M14 accessories such as magazines, magazine pouches, slings and cleaning kits were available from Federal Ordnance.

    Federal Ordnance built two types of M14 rifles, one with USGI parts and one with Chinese parts. USGI parts were used extensively in Federal Ordnance rifles through at least S/N 8877. Through at least serial number 394X the USGI parts were taken off USGI M14 rifles imported from Israel. By serial number 205XX, if not earlier, Chinese and Taiwanese reproduction parts were used to assemble its rifles. For example, Federal Ordnance M14SA serial number 502XX was assembled at the factory on September 13, 1991 with Chinese manufacture bolt, operating rod, trigger group and barrel. Federal Ordnance sold complete rifles as well as stripped receivers.
     
  17. ACfixer

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    Wow that's some cool info Larry, thanks! I'm guessing from my serial number then it has some Chinese parts. No matter, as nice as it shot and as well as it cycled I'm not even gonna give it a second thought.
     
  18. Given the fact I own a Fed Ord. M14A too, I thought I'd pass along the same information I found to you... as it is not easy to come by.

    Enjoy your 14... they are great shooters!
     
  19. Great info Larry, thanks. I may consider one if I see the right price.
     
  20. Socolm 2

    I need help I've been reloading my soclom 2 308 and well They wont eject. Factory works great I've tried everything everyone I know has told me to try. But the reloads wont eject. Any help

    I need help I've been reloading my soclom 2 308 and well They wont eject. Factory works great I've tried everything everyone I know has told me to try. But the reloads wont eject. Any help
     
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