How did children, homes and guns coexist before gun safes and locks?

Discussion in 'General Firearms' started by chap_who_hunts, Oct 22, 2020.

  1. In Walt Disney's Old Yeller, the Coates family homestead muzzle-loader was always hanging over the front door to their cabin in the Texas countryside. This gun was always loaded to boot.

    Modern times have your youngsters living in a bubble.
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  2. jerry

    jerry Since 03-15- 2002 Forum Contributor

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    In a positive nurturing way, mostly.
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    SUBMOA G&G Evangelist

    A firearm was always present. You didn't touch it unless you asked. Then it was unloaded, here you go, knock your socks off ! The mystique was gone after a while.
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  4. If I were to have children in my home, I would design a custom nightstand drawer for the handgun. One secret button behind the nightstand would be pushed to open the drawer. No child would discover this secret in a million years. There would be a false lock cylinder in front of the drawer.
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  5. Ten Man

    Ten Man G&G Evangelist

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  6. Ten Man

    Ten Man G&G Evangelist


    We were taught respect for our parents, and we were taught about firearms at a young age.
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  7. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Afton NY
    ^ Exactly. Let's face it, good and proper parenting !
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  8. TXplt

    TXplt Gun Toting Boeing Driver Forum Contributor

    When a child gets to an age where he can reach a top shelf he is on the precipice of being able to defeat any reasonably priced lock or safe I might get. So the key is that kids are parented and properly trained to DEAL with life and the tools that we use to live life; whether it's a gun, wall outlet, bus bar in an electrical cabinet (yes, I routinely opened the then fuse boxes and later circuit breaker panels--sometimes to the wiring inside--when I was very young), gasoline, matches, a power saw, or any other tool that can be dangerous if misused.

    We always (and still do) have a shotgun over the mantle (in fact, I've had shotguns and rifles in open racks in my room since I was just over a decade old). And ready guns in an appropriate condition where they need to be (accessible for someone competent immediately).

    "Feel good" measures of locking stuff up just makes it worse and a mystery or verboten item to a kid--items that they will always go out of their way to get their hands on. Now, at a very very young age comprehension of dangerous stuff isn't there yet so you need to have SOME mechanism to keep things out of wandering toddlers hands (a high shelf might do this; then again some kids can climb. Few have the strength to cycle a slide but some have the strength to depress a Glock or smith autoloader trigger). The key is that kids are trained at a very young age by parents with firearms and that they become an integral part of the home toolkit.

    Weak minded people have often said 'ya need a safe' -- most less than 1K safes can be breached in a couple of minutes (they can provide significant fire protection though and perhaps some can provide enough time lag to get the cops there if you have a fast reaction policing force AND an alarm system but it'd probably be close for a crook who knows what he's doing). Problem is a safe identifies WHERE many valuables may be so can center a 'smash and grab' type crook on getting the valuables rather than having to toss the house.

    I can't speak to the sheer idiocy that has befallen our nation with attempting to place everything in a bubble (ranging from manuals made incoherent due to compete drivel written by lawyers telling me if I do something stupid I can hurt myself to ineffective and feckless mandates and 'lockdown' insanities reacting to the WuFlu. Guess what; life has risk and America wasn't made great by people hiding in bubbles). This never trains a person to DEAL with threats and hazards. So you got a bunch of adults running around with the mentality of little kids hiding under a bed when someone farts.

    I can't fix most of this; what I CAN do is take the position on MY property that there are no bubbles (and the entire area is a 'safe space' or not a 'safe space'--depending on how you look at it--rife with plain language, firearms, and other really cool stuff) and if you do something stupid you may well get hurt or killed. And if you don't know what something does ya better not touch it until you receive training on its use (which I'm more than happy to provide).
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  9. Jack Ryan

    Jack Ryan G&G Evangelist

    There are no secrets in a home with children.

    I raised two in a home where firearms are treated just the same as they have been for 200 years. It is MINE. It IS loaded. It is NOT a toy.

    Sure you can see it, you can hold it, you can shoot it if you want. It is no different than a hammer or a chainsaw. JUST COME AND ASK AND WE WILL GET IT OUT and use it where it is suppose to be used and HOW it is suppose to be used. It never was a mystery or magic, it just is.
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  10. Get Out

    Get Out G&G Evangelist

    We kids were shown what a gun can do if it were fired at someone at a very early age. Mom and Dad took us out to shoot melons to show us the affects the bullet would have when shot. We were also allowed to handle them, clean them and we were taught gun safety and not to point them at people. We were also told never to touch or handle them unless Mom or Dad brought them out.
    I did the same with my children and it worked out fine. I believe it took the mystery surrounding guns away which took care of the curiosity kids have as well.
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  11. runfiverun

    runfiverun G&G Evangelist

    all mine had their own guns at an early age and they knew what could happen if they pointed it at a person or the dog or whatever.

    right now the G-Boy [3] gets to look at his BB gun sitting on the shelf next to the TV as a reminder that his toy guns are not for sneaking up on and shooting the dogs.

    he knows what guns do, he has got to shoot a couple of ground squirrels and a grouse with my shotgun and has seen other bigger stuff get shot.

    thing is, he is 3, and needs those small reminders.
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  12. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

    My kids have had the advantage of being raised in a gun store, and having safety briefings and "DO NOT TOUCH" getting drilled into their heads practically since birth.
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  13. Jim Bridger

    Jim Bridger G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    Movies are mostly fantasy's.
    The issue of children and firearms was created by the Left to aid their firearms laws.
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  14. Bakingsoda

    Bakingsoda G&G Regular

    I think it’s just different times. Growing up, most of the people I knew who owned guns, also hunted. Their kids also hunted and knew what damage a gun could do. We did have a couple of guns loaded, but that was more for varmints than anything else. We also knew if we didn’t treat a gun right, it would be taken away for awhile. That was worse than a whooping to a country boy.

    But over the years people bought guns who didn’t know jack squat about them. All they knew is what they saw in the movies. I wonder how they felt when they learned you actually have to reload them, lol.

    I think safes are a good idea. They will protect your guns from some thieves. Living in a state with high humidity can be a bummer. But being able to store your guns in a somewhat climate controlled place is a plus.
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  15. Big Dog

    Big Dog Retired IT Dinosaur Wrangler Forum Contributor

    Dad taught me about guns early on, took me shooting and hunting as a kid. The shotguns, .22 rifles and his .22LR revolver weren't locked. Long guns were in his bedroom closet and the HS Doublenine (always loaded) was "hidden" in his sockdrawer. When I became a teen, the shotguns and 22 rifles were in my closet, then later in a gunrack I built in wood shop. The big box of shotgun shells were in my closet.
    I never shot them without Dad's permission, never even thought of taking a gun to school. When another kid tried to bully me, I settled him by hand. Being a head taller and a good twenty pounds heavier than any other kid meant I had few bully problems.
    Hunting showed me what the guns could do.
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  16. rando

    rando G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    I look at it this way. If you have kids and you are a hunter or firearms owner then expose your kids to them young and teach them. Show them safety and safe handling and let the shoot at the range. If not then they will not know and get curious and may play with them when adult is not present. I let my kids touch and shoot at a very young age. Kept going over safety and handling and checking them even to see if loaded. Also always handling in a safe manner and aiming away from people even when unloaded. Kids that are kept in the dark is not a good thing. My one son even took a black powder rifle to school when he was in Elementary school. They had a costume and Halloween Parade each year. He was Daniel ?Boone. Can you imagine a kid walking into his school these days with a black powder rifle.? Would not be good. This is an example how quick things have changed for the worst.
  17. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist

    I was talking about this with a couple of local officers and another customer one day. We have had multiple people come in to have me watch out for guns of theirs that have been stolen.

    Something that happens way more than you would think is that guns left out of the safe are left alone, while the safe itself becomes the sole focus.

    Here are a few stories:
    1. We have a regular who collects American militaria and weapons, and rarer German WWII weapons. His collection is worth, conservatively, hundreds of thousands of dollars. He was doing an inventory of his collection and had them spread all over his living room so he could take pictures for his insurance company.
    He and his wife went to church and out to eat, and while they were gone, someone broke into the house through the living room door, passed a veritable treasure trove of firearms, and went straight to the walk-in safe.
    The door to the safe had been busted open and everything in it had been stolen.
    All that was still in the safe was the junk this guy didn't care about; a Hi-Point, a couple of Glocks, a .22 Cricket, and some Zamac Saturday Night Special revolvers.
    He was more mad about his destroyed safe than he was the guns.

    2. We had another customer who had a rack full of guns in his living room. His burglars destroyed his bed looking for guns, then destroyed his locked metal gun cabinet/safe, and tossed every drawer and closet. They ignored the guns on display altogether.

    3. One of the officers was telling me about a case where the owner had forgotten his combination after doing a collection-wide deep clean, and had laid every gun he owned on top of his large gun safe. Then he forgot to put them back away for a few days. Not a single one of those guns had been touched, but the safe had been broken into, and the burglars left empty-handed.

    4. The other officer chimed in to tell me about a guy who had one of the electronic safes where the keypad had gone bad. The guy had been opening and closing the safe with the backup key, and had forgotten and left the key in the safe. His house was burgled and the people that broke in spent who-knows-how-long trying to pry the safe door open - not realizing they could have just opened the door. He thinks that when his wife came home they got scared off and left empty-handed. He had a loaded M&P Shield sitting atop the gun safe that wasn't touched.

    I have other stories, but I have already been long-winded.

    Anyway, I almost wonder if the best thing to have is an empty decoy safe and then a really good hidey-hole elsewhere.

    Then again, maybe the criminals just wanted junk they could boost easily and intentionally disregard historical and hunting guns. Still doesn't explain cases like that 4th one.
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  18. big shrek

    big shrek G&G Evangelist

    Sometimes the safe is there to keep a crazy spouse or MIL
    away from yer dadgum guns...
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  19. rando

    rando G&G Evangelist Forum Contributor

    I have two different friends that have safes in their garage. One has an old coke soda machine and the other a Pepsi vending machine. They have the insides gutted and made a cabinet that holds many guns. They still use the original lock on the door to lock them. No one would ever try to break into it for guns. They are unplugged but you can wire the cord to an alarm and switch so alarm sounds if door opened'

  20. PaleHawkDown

    PaleHawkDown G&G Evangelist


    I used to date a girl whose mom put all her rings and valuable jewelry in ice trays, poured water over them, and left them at the bottom of a stack of ice trays in the freezer.
    I found this out by accident when I was trying to help in the kitchen on Thanksgiving and grabbed the wrong tray.

    Her mom stopped me. Then the "joke" that evening was that my girlfriend at the time, who somehow did not know the jewelry was in there, might have found a ring in her drink and thought I was proposing.

    As a side note, her parents desperately wanted me to be their son-in-law, and there were very strong "hint, hint, nudge, nudge" overtones to these statements.
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