I wonder who defaced these two statues?

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  1. Janna

    Janna G&G Evangelist

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    I doubt any of them will ever contribute to society. It's sad to say, but if none of them existed right now, would society be in an upheaval?
     
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  2. FN FAL

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    That is also true, and it shows the ignorance of the current dimwits that feel "we" should pay for the sins of those unrelated to us from the past.
    Possibly they might understand if we picked up a few of the protesters here and there and prosecuted them for the murders, arsons, lootings no matter where they happened, no need for evidence, no reason, no truth.

    I know,,,, they probably still would not understand
     
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  3. OneShotKill

    OneShotKill G&G Evangelist

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    Your point is well made and it is happening in places. Some are in jail and others going.

    I think it was Abe Lincoln who said something like most people are just about as happy as they want to be. As I mentioned on another thread, the BLM has been on a tirade in Oklahoma City for some imagined wrongdoing the last few hundred years. They made demands (13) included for the mayor to build them a grocery store in the NE or black section of Oklahoma City, because no chain would dare build in that bad area,. They and even a demanded that the mayor fire the police chief because they used tear gas and rubber bullets on people who burned a sheriff's car and multiple buildings, nearly ran down two officers, etc. The mayor did work on getting a grocery store and offered lots of tax credits, but hilariously told the head of BLM that since 2007 the city had a manager council form of government. The police chief does not work for the mayor and by charter it is illegal for the mayor to be involved in personnel decisions.

    One of their demands is that the local DA dismiss or reduce all charges against rioters who burned buildings, attempted to run over police officers, burned a police cruiser and several other felonies. Two of them were antifa and charged with terrorism. BLM demanded that charges be reduced to disturbing the peace and allowed to pay small fines from money raised on the internet. The DA told them to go pound sand--they acted like terrorist and would be prosecuted like them. Kind of equal justice under the law.

    Point is they made 13 demands in Oklahoma City based on nothing. And they got nothing but maybe a grocery store maybe not.
    https://davidharrisjr.com/steven/da...ers-with-terrorism-rioting-and-assault-video/
     
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  4. BigEd63

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    Who in their right mind would build, stock and staff a store in that crap hole part of town?!
    It'd be shoplifted and robbed out of existence within a month. Or burned to the ground if they tried to stop any looting err I mean shoplifting.
     
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  5. OneShotKill

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    Yes sir that is why the last one went out of business. You have to see the area to fully appreciate the problem. The state capital is located at 18th and north Lincoln street, 18 blocks north of the center of town and thriving Bricktown, which is patterned after the river walk in San Antonio and contains many big convention areas including the home of the Oklahoma City Thunder NBA, the Redhawks a ball team, a hockey team, etc. At about 13th and Lincoln are all the state hospitals, the massive VA complex and a dozen hospitals. Go east of the capital one block and you have the Governor's mansion. You get the idea, upscale business, medical and government area.

    Now go one mile east on 23rdh street. Bad, bad crime area and all black neighborhood. The hood, if you will. A grocery store was there for decades, but thefts and their parking lot becoming a hand out for thugs and gangs they closed the store about 2 years ago. Safeway has offered to put a store there if they get big bucks from the city so that is in play. Funny BLM demanded that the grocery store be up and running with 6 months. Guess they have no experience in construction. They will need permits to demolish the crumbling existing building, then clear the land and begin all the plumbing and work on utilities etc long before anything can be built. Walmart has the best building team in the nation, but even they cannot put up a store from land acquisition to completion in 6 months. They seem to think that just because they riot the government will build them a private business overnight. And all because some cop somewhere else killed a black person. Blackmail comes to mind. Lets just wait about 10 months until the people charged get their cases to a jury and then see how tough they are. Of course they will just protest come more.
     
  6. mitchr

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    It'd be just like the early days of integration. Black kids were bused across town to white schools & immediately trashed them. Concessions were made so blacks could buy property, they couldn't afford, in nice white neighborhoods & immediately turned them into slums. I remember a "Letter To The Editor" from a black person, living in subsidized housing, complaining that the city had not come to clean up & mow her yard.:rolleyes:
     
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  7. rando

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    You hit the nail on the head. Its not just the worry of getting robbed or graffiti painted on building or this and that. Its mainly the thieving neighborhood robbing them blind. I have seen stores closing and asked them and was told from theft. Especially if you are a franchisee putting your life savings into a convenience store in a bad area. I have done so much work in them in past years in bad city neighborhoods. I have caught dozens and dozens of thieves myself. I once spotted two kids stealing and we stopped them at the door. They had their pockets loaded. Cops were called. Kids said that their Mom told them to go to store and steal some things she needed. I believe it. If you are a franchisee for like a 7-11 store they do inventory in your store each month. It tells them what is missing. They have sometimes over $5,000 of merchandise stolen per month. Well the corporation takes the full retail value out of your escrow of the franchisee. He has to keep a good escrow for thefts. Eventually he fails because of not enough escrow. They take your store away and you get NOTHING. So why put a store in the city?
     
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  8. Cyrano

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    The only way that area will get a grocery story is if some local with guts and a dream (I am sure the yankee gummint would find some way to get him or her the money to build and start up) were to build an independent grocery, maybe affiliate with IGA, the Independent Grocers' Association where each store is individually owned and uses IGA for better buying power; or Ideal Food Basket, which is the same setup but a smaller group, a supermarket could be made to work.

    Our small local supermarket, where in normal times I'm in and out after one thing or another (just like all the folks around here) two or three times a week, was IGA for many years but after the retiring owner sold it, the new owner affiliated with Ideal. The reason for the change, so far as I can see, is we have enough Hispanics who decided to move out here from the Rotten Apple and Ideal has an arrangement with Goya that IGA doesn't. Hey, you go with who has what your customers want, right?

    If it was "one of their own" who built, owned, and operated the supermarket, even if he had to put up armor glass and steel security doors, would the scumvermin leave it alone becuz dey fin'ly gots da sto' dey's been hollerin' fo' all dese years? Or would they act like the rotten brats they are at bottom and burn it down cuz da ownuh be o-pressin' us an' 'specks us to PAY fo' what we need?

    (Yes, I am being offensive. I have no use for rioters and looters, especially cretinous rioters and looters who are so bleeping stupid they go after stores owned by people who live right there in their neighborhoods!)
     
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  9. Digg8ing down a bit, 3 million slaves were sent to the U.K., only 336,000 were sent to the new world. Please explain to me why these rabbits want reperations!
     
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  10. Cyrano

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    Okay, I'll give it a try.

    It goes back to the Civil War era. During Sherman's March to the Sea, he was headquartered for awhile in Savannah. While he was there, he met with Secretary of War Edwin Stanton concerning the problem of what to do with the newly freed slaves. They discussed things, and Sherman then met with a delegation of black ministers, leaders of therir communities, and did something no one in the American government had ever done before: He asked them what THEY wanted.

    The ministers replied that they wanted land. Land enough that they could give every family a homestead of 40 tillable acres where they could farm for self-sufficiency and to sell any surplus for cash. They wanted the ability to stand up as free men on their own two feet.

    Sherman then asked them if they thought the 40 acre farms should be integrated with the smallholdings of the white South, or separated from them. The ministers said they thought the black farms should be their own communities, because the idea of blacks owning land was so new and radical it would take many years for the whites to accept it.

    Sherman consulted with President Lincoln and proposed to issue a Special Field Order confiscating a big chunk of Southern land from the white plantation owners and allocating it to the freed blacks. Lincoln agreed, and on January 16, 1865, Special Field Order No. 15 was issued confiscating 400,000 acres of coastal land in Georgia and Florida that was to be re-titled to black families. Blacks in the area jumped on the idea, and began setting up communities.

    But do the math. 3.9 million Negroes, to use the term of the time, were freed by the Emancipation Proclamation. Let's make that 4 million even, to simplify the math. Let's further suppose that the 4 million breaks down to 800,000 families of 5. That means the Federal government would have had to confiscate and reassign 32 million acres of land. That is 80 times the amount of land seized by Sherman's Special Field Order. It's almost the entire State of Georgia, to put it in scale. (Georgia comprises 38 million acres in round figures.)

    Granted, not all of the freed blacks would have qualified for the 40 acres. But if even half of them had, and the confiscations extended farther inland and north into the Carolinas where there were already mostly black settlements (the Gullah communities of the Carolina coastal islands come to mind), it would have changed the face of the South.

    However, the idea of seizing Confederate lands and giving them (probably by homesteading) to the freedmen came to naught. After Lincoln was assassinated, Andrew Johnson became President. He was no friend of the blacks, and he rescinded Special Field Order No. 15. The defeated white Southerners got their lands back, and Jim Crow took firm root in the South.

    Oh, and the mule in "40 acres and a mule?" The new black landowners had a shortage of draft animals. So General Sherman loaned them Army mules to use for plowing and hauling. Didn't give them the mules, just loaned them to the blacks until they could get horses or mules of their own.

    That is the basis for the black supremacists' claim that they are "entitled" to reparations. Uncle Sam promised the freed negroes 40 acres and a mule to work the acreage, and never delivered. So now they want the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule in cash.

    You know, it just might be amusing if the yankee gummint were to take over some of the failed farms in the Deep South, divide them up as Special Field Order No. 15 said, and give these entitled welfare clowns exactly what was promised. If they settle on the land, farm for self-sufficiency and sell any surplus, and keep the land for five years without leaving it for longer than a day (to go shopping or to the County Fair, something like that), they have proved up their homestead and get to keep their 40 acres and the mule. If they fail, they lose the land and have to admit they can't cut it as responsible adults.

    How many of the fools whose entire lives have been spent sucking at the government teat would be able to cut the mustard? I suspect very few. But the ones who did, would be received with respect by the other farmers, who well understand the value of hard work towards a goal. But that is just my opinion. Farming is some of the hardest work there is.
     
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  11. Big Dog

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    The last thing these black thugs want in "reparations" is land, and animals. They want one thing - cash money!
    Money they can buy booze and drugs with. Period.
     
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  12. Cyrano

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    I know that, Big Dog. That's why I want to have the yankee gummint offer these a$$holes exactly what was promised to them: 40 acres of land and a mule to work the land. If they cannot hack it as smallholders, to hell with them. And as I said, they have to prove up the land; they do not get free and clear title until they successfully homestead for five years.

    After they have clear title, I don't care if they sell it off to a developer, build houses for the kids on part of it and continue to farm the rest, transform it into a cemetery, build a factory on it, or whatever. I simply want the ba$tards to have to work to earn it. And if they can't hack it and want to surrender the land to the Feds for some more ambitious black to homestead, I want them to be required to sign a paper to say they tried and gave up, and they and their families are not entitled to any reparations of any kind, period, the end. Forever.

    How many of these so-called "activists" do you think would have the guts to try and earn their land? One in a hundred? One in five hundred? Less? I do not propose to GIVE these entitled douchebags one single thing. I propose to give them the opportunity to EARN their "reparations." And I surely would not give any of them money. The poem "Dane-Geld" by Rudyard Kipling is very much on point.
     
  13. OneShotKill

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    Actually, i think it is Homeland/Safeway who is in bankruptcy who has offered to build a store there if they can get hundreds of thousands in tax credits or grants of tax dollars. There are ways to put tax dollars into private businesses in blighted areas. People like Donald Trump and other smart developers have made big bucks by going into a slum and putting in businesses, casinos, etc. They just use the tax dollars to fund much of it. So Homeland has very little to lose and that may help them stay out of bankruptcy. The problem is taxpayers are paying for it because the local residents are largely criminals or just let it run wild in their community. My 2 cents.
     
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  14. Rave

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    Jealousy :usa2:;):rolleyes:
     
  15. Rave

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    It worked that way down here in Tampa,you burn it,it's gone. No fool is going to put up a store now! :usa2:;):rolleyes:
     
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  16. reverendg

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    Regarding reparations, I have to think of something I read recently regarding DACA kids, so-called dreamers brought here illegally as kids by their parents.
    Why is it that the left doesn’t want these dreamers held responsible for the sins (crimes) of their parents, but want all whites (even those who’s families immigrated here long after slavery ended) responsible for paying reparations for slaves they never owned, to people who were never enslaved?
     
  17. Cyrano

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    John Dickinson answered your question, blaster, back in 1776. His answer is as valid today as it was at the time of the Revolution:

    "Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich than face the reality of being poor."
     
  18. mitchr

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    It's called "vote buying". Why else would blacks vote for the party that tried the hardest to keep them enslaved? Then, after slavery ended, fought the hardest to prevent them being educated, etc, etc.:(
     
  19. Rave

    Rave G&G Evangelist

    Stupid but will get paid for being so. :usa::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  20. blaster

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    "we will have those n*&&^%$ voting Democrat for the next 200 years" LBJ about his "Great Society".
     
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