Martial markings? I don't even know what that means.Are there any markings? When I see this, I don't see "shotgun", I see a musket with martial features.
That side plate is the really unusual thing; almost shaped like a stock.
Sling swivels and sling are both pretty light duty.Civilian rifles with sling swivels really came in to fashion in the late 1870swith European hunters in Africa, and began popping up around WWI in America.
Hmm, nice thinking outside the box from what is it to what was it. The hammer is kinda tall when I look at it now. Also I had not looked at the striking end. It looks suspicious. Nipple is mighty long.It looks to have been cut down from something else, a smoothbore musket maybe. And that nipple and hammer combination looks a little strange to me. Why do I have the feeling that hammer started out on a flintlock, and the nipple is non-standard? Could it possibly be a flintlock-to-caplock conversion?
The sling is not original, but the swivels are pretty standard for 18th and 19th Century military guns. Actually, those swivels look like the ones on Italian and Austrian rifles.Sling swivels and sling are both pretty light duty.
Any guesses at time period for this mystery gun?
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I don't think the buttstock is cut down, but I am sure the barrel and the forearm are. The piece to my eye is out of balance, butt-heavy. I look at it, and I think of the coaching guns the shotguns used to carry on the stagecoaches in the Old West. Those were short to be handy, and could cover a biggish area if aimed from the driver's bench at someone on the ground.
Maybe someone carried this in a wagon or a buckboard for a similar purpose?
The Model 1842s were the last smoothbore muskets made for the Army, weren't they? Would the farmers uses them with .69 caliber balls, or load them with buckshot as a shotgun?Well, If it were an Enfield or Springfield, some unscrupulous seller would be trying to convince people it was a "Confederate Cutdown," but nearly all muskets that found their way to civilians got cut down to be handier. I've got an 1842 Springfield here in the store right now that was cut down. Just a farm, behind-the-door, or hunting gun.
Usually buck-n-ball, according to contemporary reports. Some with a slightly longer barrels were set up as fowling pieces, and used shot.The Model 1842s were the last smoothbore muskets made for the Army, weren't they? Would the farmers uses them with .69 caliber balls, or load them with buckshot as a shotgun?
I know very little about antique guns, maybe that's obvious already. Used to my other more modern guns I guess. My trap gun is over 14.5" lop, my fixed stock M4 is 14". This old muzzle suffer has a 13" lop.Out of curiosity...why do you keep saying the buttstock is too short or appears cut down. I've been staring at this for several minutes now, and it seems standard length.