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My first rifle (long gone) was a new '71 Winchester Model 94. In the back of my mind I thought it would be nice to have another one. In my ongoing effort to help retailers reduce their inventory carrying costs, I started looking around for one. I thought a .22 WMR would be neat but they seemed to be priced through the roof. Looked at a few ads for 30-30's and they too were pretty pricey these days. I wound up buying this '68 Illinois Sesquicentennial Commemorative model 30-30. Any possible collector value is gone (no box, etc.) but I bought it to shoot and thought damn, like new and priced lower than the rest by hundreds, why not?

I know the post '63 era are considered dark times for Winchester but I think the pre-'64 prices are overblown. This was cheaper than a Henry 22 and I'm from Illinois so WTH.

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Sure looks nice. Hadn't heard of this one but Winchester made quite a few Commemorative models. I liked the Legendary Frontiersman but never bought one. Friend has the Oliver Winchester one from around 1980. It is in 38/55 caliber. Paid $600 or a bit more back then for it new. Enjoy it
 

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Sure looks nice. Hadn't heard of this one but Winchester made quite a few Commemorative models. I liked the Legendary Frontiersman but never bought one. Friend has the Oliver Winchester one from around 1980. It is in 38/55 caliber. Paid $600 or a bit more back then for it new. Enjoy it
Thanks. Yeah, I guess they have had a bunch of commemorative models over the years. I was just looking for a clean Model '94 and saw this one and jumped on it. The add-ons are pretty low key.
 

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Thanks. Yeah, I guess they have had a bunch of commemorative models over the years. I was just looking for a clean Model '94 and saw this one and jumped on it. The add-ons are pretty low key.
Shoot it and enjoy it. Most Winchester commemorative models do not have much collector value because there are so many of them. I am thinking there were something like 152 different models. Some of them they actually made over 100,000 of a single model..

To have much collector value they must be unfired and in the box. Probably the most valuable is the NRA Musket Rifle, they only made 44 of them. The models that are designated as Friends of the NRA sold at auction usually for some huge amount and those all have value, especially if they are not the 2006 year when they made a 1,000 of them. If you run across any that have the NRA emblem on them buy it or PM me. Other desirable ones are the John Wayne "Duke", and the John Wayne marched set and the rare US Constitution model. The trapper model has become of collector interest the last few years, I think it is the Trails End, that is the most desirable one, it is in 357.
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Here is a link that shows most of them that were offered to the public.Winchester Commemoratives | Winchester Collector

 

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Nice looking rifle, i have a winchester 94ae with tang safety, i bought it in 2006 at walmarts for 300.00 . still looks brand new, I've shot less than a box of shells thru it, i need to go down to the bottom and shoot a few rounds, i like the 3030 doesn't kick too much, even though the marlin is stronger and you can put a scope on it there's just something about a winchester. Do you ammo to shoot in it, last box of 3030 i bought couple weeks walmart winchester 3030 17.99 box good price considering shortages and price gouging going on now, enjoy your winchester, i do even tho i don't shoot it that much
 

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Shoot it and enjoy it. Most Winchester commemorative models do not have much collector value because there are so many of them. I am thinking there were something like 152 different models. Some of them they actually made over 100,000 of a single model..

To have much collector value they must be unfired and in the box. Probably the most valuable is the NRA Musket Rifle, they only made 44 of them. The models that are designated as Friends of the NRA sold at auction usually for some huge amount and those all have value, especially if they are not the 2006 year when they made a 1,000 of them. If you run across any that have the NRA emblem on them buy it or PM me. Other desirable ones are the John Wayne "Duke", and the John Wayne marched set and the rare US Constitution model. The trapper model has become of collector interest the last few years, I think it is the Trails End, that is the most desirable one, it is in 357.
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Here is a link that shows most of them that were offered to the public.Winchester Commemoratives | Winchester Collector

Thanks for the Link! Wow, commemorative models galore! Just shows you how organized Winchester is, all in one concise list.
 

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Nice looking rifle, i have a winchester 94ae with tang safety, i bought it in 2006 at walmarts for 300.00 . still looks brand new, I've shot less than a box of shells thru it, i need to go down to the bottom and shoot a few rounds, i like the 3030 doesn't kick too much, even though the marlin is stronger and you can put a scope on it there's just something about a winchester. Do you ammo to shoot in it, last box of 3030 i bought couple weeks walmart winchester 3030 17.99 box good price considering shortages and price gouging going on now, enjoy your winchester, i do even tho i don't shoot it that much
Thanks. I gave $599 for it and thought that was fair in the current market. I agree about the Winchester thing. They just have a feel about them . Until recently, I never owned a Winchester Model 70 and recently picked up a mint, never-fired '68 and also a clean '71. They shoulder so naturally that your eye falls right on the iron sights without effort.

That is a great price you got on the 30-30 rounds. Almost pre-panic pricing!
 

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Nice looking rifle, i have a winchester 94ae with tang safety, i bought it in 2006 at walmarts for 300.00 . still looks brand new, I've shot less than a box of shells thru it, i need to go down to the bottom and shoot a few rounds, i like the 3030 doesn't kick too much, even though the marlin is stronger and you can put a scope on it there's just something about a Winchester. Do you ammo to shoot in it, last box of 3030 i bought couple weeks walmart winchester 3030 17.99 box good price considering shortages and price gouging going on now, enjoy your winchester, i do even tho i don't shoot it that much
Why do you think the Marlin 336 action is stronger than the Winchester 94 action? There has been quite a debate years ago since Wild West Guns in Alaska and several other people tried to convert both of them to 454 Casul. Most of the testing concluded that the Marlin was weaker inside and could not handle the same level of pressure as the 94 which had those huge locking lugs. He is a comment by Nate Kiowa Jones, of the levergun forum and known to most as the lever gun guru at Steves Guns. Here is one of his early comments.


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The problem with converting a Marlin or 94 win to 454 is the pressure limits of those actions, the 1894 marlin being the weakest of them. IIRC Marlin actually toyed with the idea based on the 336. There was no catastrophic failure but it did shoot loose. The primary reason the 92 and the 86 will handle the higher pressure is two fold. First is the angle of the locking bolt in relation to the breech bolt. The single locking bolt designs like the marlins and Win 94 have to have enough angle so the action doesn't freeze up with higher pressure levels above about 50,000 PSI/CUP ( I can never remember which is which) The problem with that more sever angle is it also limits the top end of the pressure and shows up as the lever trying to fly open or the breech bolt trying to push over the top of the locking bolt.
Because the 92 and 86 both have twin locking bolts that spreads the pressure over a larger area( more contact area) they can be more perpendicular to the bore without binding up under high pressure. With less angle they will take higher pressures. Plus, because they are parallel to the breech bolt the bolt thrust is better disbursed as well.
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Email; [email protected]"Marlin 454 Casull ? - Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com (levergunscommunity.org)

Here is a link to one of the actual tests. Both the Marlin and the Winchester did not hold up, but the Marlin broke with the first 20 rounds of testing with the 454. Today, Marlin does not load anything that hot. In fact the hottest round the load is the 450 Marlin which is max pressure at 43,500 psi and the 444 Marlin at 44,000 psi. The 356, 358 and 375 Winchester all max out at 52,000 psi. That is why that unless you have one of the beefed up special made guns nobody will chamber one in 454. People who want the truly hot lever guns either go with the big slow 45-70 or the Rossi model 92 which handles the 454 just fine and is rated to 65,000 psi. The Rossi action is far superior. And yes it kicks like heck also.

Anyway, those guy who build custom lever guns say the Marlin is the weaker action and they have to beef it up for it to work with the hotter rounds. Does not matter with a wimpy but wonderfull round like the 30-30. Just a little trivia there. Opinions vary. FWIW.
 

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Your right i forgot about the lock up on the Marlins vs winchester, i remember seeing a video showing how the marlin bolt locked in place not much to hold it shut. My father inlaw gave me a 336rc with busted stock thought about getting replacement but i don't know if the barrel is bent. Would still like to fix it for sentimental reasons.
 

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Your right i forgot about the lock up on the Marlins vs winchester, i remember seeing a video showing how the marlin bolt locked in place not much to hold it shut. My father inlaw gave me a 336rc with busted stock thought about getting replacement but i don't know if the barrel is bent. Would still like to fix it for sentimental reasons.
An ez way to see if the barrel has a bend is to try and find a dowel rod, cleaning rod or arrow as close to 30 cal as possible and stick it in the barrel. I do that anytime I thread a barrel for a suppressor or if I am putting a suppressor on a new gun for the first time. A lot of military guns like the AK 47 copies are threaded for a muzzle device and work fine, even if the threads are off a little. However, if the angle is off just a little you can get a baffle strike on an 8 inch long suppressor, so I just run a dowel down the tube with the suppressor in place to confirm.

There should be plenty of places to find replacement stocks for the Marlin. Wood, plastic or laminate, lots of choices. I would sure try and put it back together.
 

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They made those for all 50 states, and they are a great buy because they never went up the way all the collectors thought they would.

Pricing is funny on them. There are two or three states that were under-produced, and they go for a premium. The only other premium on them is based on the state where you live. Wisconsin ones are cheap in Alabama (cheaper than a standard model), for example, but an Alabama one goes for full-Blue-Book around here.
 

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Great rifle!

1968Illinois Sesquicentennial39,69937,648$110.00

It's scheduled and then released production with the MSRP.

You did good with an early radar for good guns.
 

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For 94 lovers here is one I always wanted but never could find at a reasonable cost. Bidding is already at $1,800, probably take $2,500 to win the auction. The base models list for $1,300-$2,500 on line. Too much collector interest. Model 94 Winchester 2 and 1/2 inch 410, a Texas gentleman's walking gun. I did acquire a special run of the Marlin 1895 in 410. Absolutely cool to walk around looking for rabbit or quail with a lever gun. Not for the traditionalist but us rebels enjoy them. I may have to sell off some guns to fund one. Love those 94s.

Winchester Model 9410 24" .410 Shotgun SERIAL 5 Made in USA - NEW IN BOX - Lever Action Shotguns at GunBroker.com : 899569845

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